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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1935 on: June 10, 2017, 02:52:18 AM »
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You could also say that you need certain things to fall into place since you have a suspect?

If you put Tina's credibility on the line, then you might have to rule everything else out from what she has stated. you can't have it both ways...

Again, we don't have the full story around the money, stating it's not Cooper cash is a huge stretch without all the evidence. Cooper serial numbers have matched, including the newly found serial numbers making this "not Cooper cash" theory faulty..

I completely disagree with your logic and believe you are engaging in a logical fallacy. I have a suspect and have tried to eliminate him, so far unsuccessfully but that doesn't eliminate other possibilities/suspects.

Having a strong "circumstantial" suspect doesn't invalidate an explanation or theory.

There is actually near ZERO evidence that TBAR money is DBC money. The only evidence is that serial #'s matched the serial #'s/order of bank Microform for the $250k made prior to NORJAK. There is nothing faulty here. It is a valid possibility. For TBAR to be DBC cash we must ASSUME 100% bank MICRO accuracy to $250k emergency stash for which we have ZERO evidence for. When was the MICRO created, who controlled it, who controlled the $250k???

I find that incident with Tina bizarre and incredulous, asking for some of the money, receiving it, holding it then returning it claiming she wasn't allowed gratuities..  then why ask for it?

and I am not saying TBAR cash isn't DBC cash, just looking at the evidence and the "PROOF" is really an assumption.

All of the laws of Physics are an "assumption" under your rules!  :))  According to your logic gravity does not exist!

There seems to be a gap in your understanding ... or you are selling a better mousetrap?

We have spent inordinate time on your leveraged fiction. You mentioned long ago your suspect had a bank box full of DBC banknotes. Save the world some time PLEASE! and just produce 3 bundolas that are bank MICRO not DBC cash! It should be simple task for yawl!  :-*

I am sure you can think of some way to squirm out of your former certainty! Maybe Cooper was a werewolf? Who knows! Anything is possible.  :D

Georger,

That is nonsense, mockery isn't an argument it is a denial mechanism.. you are smarter than that.

My suspect never had a bank box of money, that was an American who had abandoned cash in Canada, NOT my suspect. So, you have your facts wrong.

All I am doing is testing assumptions with the facts and everyone, including myself had elevated an assumption to a fact..

YOU of all people are constantly demands FACTS, now what facts are there to PROVE TBAR money is DBC cash?

The ser#'s/order match the Bank's pre NORJAK MICRO.  That is it.

Sir, it is you who hasnt proven your case.

You have been highly disruptive!

Shutter please remove this idiot from this forum.

Actually, I have proven that there isn't evidence that TBAR cash is 100% DBC money but rather an assumption based on the bank's MICRO. But people have believed it as fact for so long that they can't accept it. TBAR cash may be DBC cash but the evidence isn't there as WE had believed.


Sorry, I have been off for a few days and I am just getting back to reviewing some things.

FLYJACK...inadvertently (I think), you have brought up a really good question. I do not remember the exact figure (its 01:40 here so I am a bit groggy) but I believe I read somewhere that the FBI kept currency set aside for bank robberies. Some of that currency was used in the DBC incident but what happened to the unused portion? Did they just keep it for the next incident?! Did they put it back into circulation?! Did the FBI agents take it to Pandora's
Adult Cabaret out on Lake City Way (I mean, they did receive 4 stars on Yelp!)?! Anyone have any ideas on that or have read anything about it?

how would the FBI sneak currency into a bank or supply currency to a bank, being robbed? Robbers dont usually alert people ahead of time they are going to be robbed?   ;)

 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1936 on: June 10, 2017, 03:27:28 AM »
I think you may have read it incorrectly. Or I wrote it incorrectly. Basically; I remember reading that the FBI had a set amount of currency that they could quickly access and use for ransom purposes (much like the DBC incident). If I recall correctly, the amount was significantly higher then what was requested by DBC. So essentially, the FBI took the $200,000 requested by DBC from that stash. My question is what in the hell happened to the rest of it? 
 

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« Reply #1937 on: June 10, 2017, 10:11:05 AM »
The money came from the bank, they were the sole owners of the funds that were set aside for crimes such as the Cooper hijacking. It's bank of America now, so I doubt they have such funds today as they did in the past..the insurance company paid back the loan to the bank...
 

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« Reply #1938 on: June 10, 2017, 08:09:41 PM »
Shutter - It was my impression that the bank and or the FBI had set aside currency for a potential ransom scenario. Call it a rainy day slush fund if you may. If I can recall correctly; it was like $500,000 or something. Out of that; they took the $200,000 for DBC. My question was basically "what happened to the left over currency that was not taken out of the $500,000?"
 

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« Reply #1939 on: June 10, 2017, 09:01:42 PM »
You could be could be confused with the McCoy hijacking? he asked for 500 grand...the Cooper case states that 250 grand was set aside for crimes like this. the rest of the money remained at the bank...I don't recall seeing, or hearing of 500 grand?

It was the banks money the insurance company reimbursed the bank. the rest of the money, who knows, it was there cash.
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« Reply #1940 on: June 10, 2017, 09:49:55 PM »
$250,000! That's it! I couldn't find the document that you shared! So I went with $500,000!

That was all that I was asking about though. The remaining $50,000. I believe that FLYJACK posted something about the Tina Bar currency maybe not being the actual currency involved with the hijacking which got me thinking how that was even remotely possible.

My brain at 0-dark-thirty came up with the idea of what happened to the remaining 50k. If it was all part of a preestablished fund (including photographs of the serial numbers) and it was used in the next ransom then maybe there could have been an error in recording what serial numbers when to what case. If the money and photographs were disposed of...then that is a different story. I would find it to be very unlikely that the incorrect serial numbers were recorded but I am very familiar how law enforcement sometimes trips over its own two feet (Ill send you a PM about that).
 

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« Reply #1941 on: June 10, 2017, 09:51:51 PM »
the simplest way to correct any issues with the serial numbers would be checking the remaining 50 grand at the bank...not too hard to solve?
 

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« Reply #1942 on: June 12, 2017, 01:54:50 PM »
One observation that can be made from the albeit heavily redacted FOIA documents being released is the high level of scrutiny that is given to those who are identified by the public as being possible suspects.  It leads to some speculation that the Main People may “administratively” close the case if they had received the tip they had been waiting for to eliminate the requirement to apply the same level of scrutiny to any additional incoming tips that were known to them to be fruitless.  Does it make any sense that the man himself could present himself to the authorities with a full confession, fingerprints, DNA sample, and be identified by living witnesses – and then be turned away if he did not provide any of the ransom deliverables (i.e. parachute and/or marked bills)?  This, without the John Doe Indictment having been quashed?
 

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« Reply #1943 on: June 27, 2017, 01:01:53 AM »
To placate Georger, I will answer a suspect related question in the suspects category.

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I appreciate the clarification.  Again, great job on the Podcast.  Maybe the 50th anniversary will bring new leads, new people coming forward to give us new leads, maybe that one nugget of information we have waited for all these years.  You know, Bob Sailshaw puts a guy in the Boeing plant where titanium scrap was laying around in bins on the second floor of the plant.  What are your thoughts about Sheridan Peterson as a suspect?  Haven't heard from Bob in a while, I miss him.

If Sheridan Peterson produced one of the Cooper twenties tomorrow, I would be surprised. I wouldn't be shocked.

I believe we would have found a photo of Sheridan wearing the tie by now, or even just a tie clip like the one on Cooper's tie... I also think 377 is right when he tells us Sheridan wouldn't be the type of guy to threaten innocent people with a bomb.
 

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« Reply #1944 on: June 27, 2017, 01:18:59 PM »
1961 newspaper article about jumping from a plane for kicks.....the skydiver is Sheridan Peterson. this was found in the second batch of new files, page 123...
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1945 on: June 27, 2017, 11:30:26 PM »
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1961 newspaper article about jumping from a plane for kicks.....the skydiver is Sheridan Peterson. this was found in the second batch of new files, page 123...

What is anecdotal and what is material... to a case?

The Benton Airport (Redding Ca) reports fall under the same heading. Is there any real reason to think Cooper did not bail in Washington ... at the bump? The bump was caused by weight being lifted off the stairs and the door slamming back shut, as per the test photos.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1946 on: July 21, 2017, 07:39:44 PM »
Hello newbie here, have had an interest in Cooper case for a while.Has anyone ever mentioned a polygraph for Rackstraw, not that he would agree to one. Also cigarette butts and drink cup. Was a DNA test ever done?
 

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« Reply #1947 on: July 21, 2017, 07:48:12 PM »
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Hello newbie here, have had an interest in Cooper case for a while.Has anyone ever mentioned a polygraph for Rackstraw, not that he would agree to one. Also cigarette butts and drink cup. Was a DNA test ever done?

Hello, and welcome to the forum...the butts and cups are missing from inventory of evidence, or we would have an actual DNA profile to go by. it's hard to say if any of the things missing with this case will ever surface...that's all part of this wonderful case. it's full of mystery and headaches all rolled into one..

also, just to give you a heads up..this could easily be posted in the suspect file. I will move this topic over to the proper thread..it's not a problem, I just try to limit the amount of threads...
 

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« Reply #1948 on: July 21, 2017, 07:52:32 PM »
Have you had a chance to look over any of the files we have on our website? Tom Colbert also has a bunch of files that are a must read...

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« Reply #1949 on: July 21, 2017, 08:02:57 PM »
Missing evidence, wow!