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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6780 on: March 01, 2020, 12:09:57 AM »
Plans for CooperCon 2020 are underway.

I've been speaking with Brian Ingram and he has agreed to take part in this year's CooperCon. Additionally, Tom Kaye has offered to have a conversation with Brian on-stage. Tom will also speak to his diatom research during CooperCon.

The location for CooperCon 2020 will be announced at a later date. However, I can announce that it will take place November 20 - 22, 2020 in Portland/Vancouver.

Cheers!
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6781 on: March 01, 2020, 12:22:27 PM »
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The incompetent wannabe assassin Blevins says G "is in denial" about being Johnny Green ! Duhhhhhh!

It's not likely that Different people in different places and time zones can be in the same place at the same time, over and over and over, dumb ass.  Green was a prolific poster at Smith's site over a long period of time, according to Blevins! How would Blevins even know if he wasn't living and posting at obscure websites waiting and looking for conflict ...?

Only morons like Green and Blevins made a habit of hanging out and exchangeable insults at insignificant/useless websites like Smith's site etc. Georger never did! The real question is: Is Robert Blevins/Johnny Green!

 :rofl:

That's possible. If I remember correctly, he had 3 members to his now defunct forum: Himself, xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxscifiguy (also himself), and MikeJ (also himself).
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6782 on: March 01, 2020, 03:17:07 PM »
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The incompetent wannabe assassin Blevins says G "is in denial" about being Johnny Green ! Duhhhhhh!

It's not likely that Different people in different places and time zones can be in the same place at the same time, over and over and over, dumb ass.  Green was a prolific poster at Smith's site over a long period of time, according to Blevins! How would Blevins even know if he wasn't living and posting at obscure websites waiting and looking for conflict ...?

Only morons like Green and Blevins made a habit of hanging out and exchangeable insults at insignificant/useless websites like Smith's site etc. Georger never did! The real question is: Is Robert Blevins/Johnny Green!

 :rofl:

That's possible. If I remember correctly, he had 3 members to his now defunct forum: Himself, xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxscifiguy (also himself), and MikeJ (also himself).

The seed of this goes all the way back to Gray, Porteous, KC's brother, and then Blevins. Everything since then is frosting on a 'cake of corruption'. Blevins saw the Gray article on KC and thought - 'what a good idea for....' which is exactly what KC's brother was saying at the time. Galen Cook says that Porteous got involved because  Porteous was looking for money for his retirement. The central idea for everyone was a script, book,  and movie = dollar signs. It's a common equation. Porteous had referred KC's brother to a movie producer, Gray wrote his New Yorker article on KC which is the basis for a movie script, Gray forms a relationship with Crown Publishing for a book under his name, Gray launches a two year book promotion financed by Crown Publishing which turns Gray into a 'DB Cooper' case expert, earns him a relationship with the FBI (at Seattle), Porteous gets sick and starts to deteriorate, ... and somehow Blevins gets involved and forms some kind of alleged relationship with Skip Porteous and KC's brother in Minnesota for the purpose of making a movie ... Gray is shoved to the side and focuses on finishing-writing his bizarre book ... Gray and Kaye tangle and Gray outs me ... its a tale of deceit and corruption but it all goes back to this original relationship  between Gray ad Porteous and Lyle Christiansen, then Blevins gets involved somehow. Porteous dies, Gray moves on to other projects, and Blevins is left still proclaiming there is going to be a movie .... and now promoter Elvis Ulis is involved!

Somewhere in this cast of characters the Cooper case has been lost, or hopelessly confused, or has it?  This isn't science. This is pure politics with the 'promise' of science mixed in, and being alleged by the various players. None of this rises to the level of Shakespeare but, stagecraft is involved! The whole thing is amazingly sleazy! And DB Cooper may be laughing in his grave.

Fact is, none of this promotional stuff has anything to do with the Cooper case. People competing for recognition and credibility, accusing each other of having no credibility or 'credentials'! But it occupies 99% of people's time on Cooper forums. It derails anything else being accomplished - whatever the true facts of the Cooper Case are.  ;)
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6783 on: March 01, 2020, 10:35:15 PM »
I don't see where R99 is mentioned in the last post and yet you instigate further?

I've asked kindly multiple times for both of you to stop responding to each other. I will start removing the offenders from this point forward..
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6784 on: March 01, 2020, 11:39:29 PM »
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I don't see where R99 is mentioned in the last post and yet you instigate further?

I've asked kindly multiple times for both of you to stop responding to each other. I will start removing the offenders from this point forward..

Is this directed at me? Instigate what? I dont think I even mentioned R99 in my post?    Im totally lost.

My post is in reply to    Parrotheadvol's post about RMB who is RobertMBlevins, not R99 ?

How is your Cooper bomb experiment going? Been waiting for you to post it? I had surgery last week and could not keep up with my email.... so thought I would catch up with you here when you posted about it ?   
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6785 on: March 02, 2020, 12:07:14 AM »
My apologies...R99 made a post in reference to your last post...

The bomb is complete. I posted an update but nobody responded over a week ago..
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6786 on: March 02, 2020, 02:05:13 AM »
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My apologies...R99 made a post in reference to your last post...

The bomb is complete. I posted an update but nobody responded over a week ago..

No problem - thanks... wow! your bomb looks like - a bomb!  ;)  Two rows of four just like Tina said. It looks bigger, taller,  than I imagined ?

Are these flares? (or rolls of coins ... laughing) ?  ;)    Where's all the wires Tina saw, and the wire Cooper held in his fingers ...?    Blasting cap? 
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6787 on: March 02, 2020, 07:42:21 AM »
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My apologies...R99 made a post in reference to your last post...

The bomb is complete. I posted an update but nobody responded over a week ago..

No problem - thanks... wow! your bomb looks like - a bomb!  ;)  Two rows of four just like Tina said. It looks bigger, taller,  than I imagined ?

Are these flares? (or rolls of coins ... laughing) ?  ;)    Where's all the wires Tina saw, and the wire Cooper held in his fingers ...?    Blasting cap?

The sticks are made of wood dowels and wrapped with construction paper. it wasn't easy getting the two stacks together. it's not constructed as you would usually see stacks of dynamite. seven sticks would be easier to manage when bundling them. the battery is made from a shipping tube and is functional. I coated the top with hot wax and the label was found online and printed to size. wires inside are linked to a small battery pack. the blasting cap is between the battery and dynamite....the briefcase is only two inches deep when open

I will post a pic with all the wires that I believe he used.
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6788 on: March 02, 2020, 08:07:01 AM »
Here the blasting cap is inserted into the end of the dynamite and one wire connected to the battery. if I put the other wire on the battery it would set off the dynamite...it's very simple. I'll show another pic with more wires later this evening..I'm also going to try and coat the sticks with wax for more effect...
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6789 on: March 02, 2020, 11:26:39 AM »
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My apologies...R99 made a post in reference to your last post...

The bomb is complete. I posted an update but nobody responded over a week ago..

No problem - thanks... wow! your bomb looks like - a bomb!  ;)  Two rows of four just like Tina said. It looks bigger, taller,  than I imagined ?

Are these flares? (or rolls of coins ... laughing) ?  ;)    Where's all the wires Tina saw, and the wire Cooper held in his fingers ...?    Blasting cap?

The sticks are made of wood dowels and wrapped with construction paper. it wasn't easy getting the two stacks together. it's not constructed as you would usually see stacks of dynamite. seven sticks would be easier to manage when bundling them. the battery is made from a shipping tube and is functional. I coated the top with hot wax and the label was found online and printed to size. wires inside are linked to a small battery pack. the blasting cap is between the battery and dynamite....the briefcase is only two inches deep when open

I will post a pic with all the wires that I believe he used.

You went to a lot of work!  :)    Just to refresh, here's the bomb testimony:

(7:55pm pst)  NWA -    [MSPFO asked for stewardess best recollection of exact content of HJ briefcase. She got on radio and gave the following basic information:]
   _   Eight red sticks, about 6” x1” in left corner of brief case. “Look like big
        firecrackers.”  Two rows of sticks. Four on top of four.
   _   Wire attached to dynamite with red insulation.
        _   Battery “like flashlight battery but about 6” high and as big around as my   
     arm”.
        _   Red sticks are about the color “of my uniform”.
 

7:57 pm    t1  [ Mucklow describes bomb to Gnd Control …]
MSP:    Have stewardess describe to you the brief case contents. Understand red dynamite sticks wire and battery
305:      Mucklow: In briefcase left corner had 8 sticks of dynamite about 6 inches
long and 1 inch in diameter. Two rows of them then a wire out of there.
Then a battery like, a flashlight battery only as thick as my arm and 8
inches long.
MSP:       Roger.     


Interview 11-30 Mucklow:
Her best recollection is that it was while he told her he wanted no “funny stuff” that he partially opened the briefcase more and he permitted her to see the contents (of the case).
She recalls the contents of the case as approximately eight cylindrical objects about six to eight inches long with four of the items being placed on top of the others and banded together with tape. She also recalls some covered and uncovered wiring running from the cylindrical objects to a dry cell type battery which had terminals on one end. She could not recall if the wires were connected to the terminals. The battery was described as approximately eight inches long and about two and one-half in diameter. She states that she had the impression seeing the contents that it could be dynamite; however, she is unfamiliar with the (exact) appearance of dynamite and could only describe it as stated above, adding that it (the sticks) were a “reddish rusty color”.                       
Mucklow recalled that during the flight from Portland to Seattle, all passengers were moved at least three rows forward from the back row where the hijacker was seated. At one time the subject stated that the bomb he had was electrically fused and he certainly hoped the crew would not generate any electrical currents which would trigger it!

Interview of Mucklow 12/1-2 at her home in PA:
Mucklow sat next to the man and shortly thereafter he opened a black cheap appearing imitation leather attache case and showed her a device, with eight red cylindars and a wire running from the cylindars toward a large 6x8x2” battery. The wire had a red plastic coating on it except for the last inch which was bare and the man was holding between his fingers. He told (me) it was an electronic device and suggested the aircraft radio be used as little as possible. He then said ‘he didn’t think radio transmissions would bother it, but he wanted the crew warned’ .

Wiring:
- Wire attached to dynamite with red insulation ...
- She also recalls some covered and uncovered wiring running from the cylindrical objects to a dry cell type battery which had terminals on one end. She could not recall if the wires were connected to the terminals.
- At one time the subject stated that the bomb he had was electrically fused and he certainly hoped the crew would not generate any electrical currents which would trigger it!
- and a wire running from the cylinders toward a large 6x8x2” battery. The wire had a red plastic coating on it except for the last inch which was bare and the man was holding between his fingers. He told (me) it was an electronic device and suggested the aircraft radio be used as little as possible. He then said ‘he didn’t think radio transmissions would bother it, but he wanted the crew warned’ .
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6790 on: March 02, 2020, 12:22:04 PM »
they describe the dynamite as 6 to 8 inches which is the same they give for the battery..the round dry cell batteries are 2 and a half inches in diameter and 6 and and eighth in height. not sure where they got 6x8x2? dynamite is 8 inches long. the dynamite and battery must of been separated since they basically give the same dimensions.
 

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« Reply #6791 on: March 02, 2020, 12:23:56 PM »
the wiring attached to the dynamite would be the blasting cap. Cooper would have to have a break in the wiring somewhere. he was seen holding one wire..he had his hand in the briefcase a lot which could imply he was monitoring the second wire...
 

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« Reply #6792 on: March 02, 2020, 02:04:43 PM »
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Here the blasting cap is inserted into the end of the dynamite and one wire connected to the battery. if I put the other wire on the battery it would set off the dynamite...it's very simple. I'll show another pic with more wires later this evening..I'm also going to try and coat the sticks with wax for more effect...

That brings back some memories. I spent a few months in 1995 working for an explosive company. I was always a little uneasy handling dynamite, especially after the blasting cap was inserted. We always had to wear gloves as handling the dynamite without them could cause headaches, some pretty severe. I left that job after a few months for a job with Coca-Cola.
 

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« Reply #6793 on: March 02, 2020, 05:46:21 PM »
You really want to shake them up in 1971, you do this.... :chr2:
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6794 on: March 02, 2020, 05:55:17 PM »
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The seed of this goes all the way back to Gray, Porteous, KC's brother, and then Blevins. Everything since then is frosting on a 'cake of corruption'. Blevins saw the Gray article on KC and thought - 'what a good idea for....' which is exactly what KC's brother was saying at the time. Galen Cook says that Porteous got involved because  Porteous was looking for money for his retirement. The central idea for everyone was a script, book,  and movie = dollar signs. It's a common equation. Porteous had referred KC's brother to a movie producer, Gray wrote his New Yorker article on KC which is the basis for a movie script, Gray forms a relationship with Crown Publishing for a book under his name, Gray launches a two year book promotion financed by Crown Publishing which turns Gray into a 'DB Cooper' case expert, earns him a relationship with the FBI (at Seattle), Porteous gets sick and starts to deteriorate, ... and somehow Blevins gets involved and forms some kind of alleged relationship with Skip Porteous and KC's brother in Minnesota for the purpose of making a movie ... Gray is shoved to the side and focuses on finishing-writing his bizarre book ... Gray and Kaye tangle and Gray outs me ... its a tale of deceit and corruption but it all goes back to this original relationship  between Gray ad Porteous and Lyle Christiansen, then Blevins gets involved somehow. Porteous dies, Gray moves on to other projects, and Blevins is left still proclaiming there is going to be a movie .... and now promoter Elvis Ulis is involved!

Somewhere in this cast of characters the Cooper case has been lost, or hopelessly confused, or has it?  This isn't science. This is pure politics with the 'promise' of science mixed in, and being alleged by the various players. None of this rises to the level of Shakespeare but, stagecraft is involved! The whole thing is amazingly sleazy! And DB Cooper may be laughing in his grave.

Fact is, none of this promotional stuff has anything to do with the Cooper case. People competing for recognition and credibility, accusing each other of having no credibility or 'credentials'! But it occupies 99% of people's time on Cooper forums. It derails anything else being accomplished - whatever the true facts of the Cooper Case are.  ;)

Georger's synopsis of the RMB saga is pretty much as I understand it. Some fine points: Robert has never described fully how he got connected to Skipp Porteous, to my knowledge, but it's my understanding that RMB initiated the contact with Porteous and then wrote the book.

The relationship between Skipp and Geoffrey is a bit hazy, too. In my conversations with Geoffrey he indicated to me, and his subsequent actions certainly confirm that he had very little interaction with Porteous beyond the initial contact and delivery of the information about Kenny and Lyle. GG took it from there and Porteous became passive.

My conversations with Skipp revealed to me that he was not totally trustworthy or forthcoming, particularly when I asked about GG. Skipp downplayed the relationship and indicated that he only met GG once to talk KC. I found that hard to believe since they both lived in Manhattan at that time and GG was convinced he was gonna get a Pulitzer for this story. I knew GG to be a dogged A-List reporter willing to go anywhere to talk to anyone to get his story.

Georger is correct: RMB and Skipp never met, which I find incredible.

As for Georger, Kaye and GG in some kind of tangle, all I know is what G has told me and that is that Larry Carr first wanted Georger to be the head of the Citizen Sleuths. Initially, Georger agreed and formed a team, but G hit some funding bumps in the road with Larry and backed-out. When he did, G recommend Tom Kaye to Larry. LC then tapped Tom to lead the CS team, and he remains the team leader to this day.

As for promotion of DBC, I think it's not only a good idea, I think it is necessary, assuming all of the usual ethical standards are maintained, such as truth-telling and open-mindedness. Sadly, Lyle Christiansen is lacking in those areas, imho.

Further, gossiping, or at least talking about each other, seems to be part of the human condition. It might even be healthy as long as we don't back-stab or trash others. It certainly helps to put a researchers conclusions into a proper context, such as with RMB and KC.

Lastly, the trash-talking of RMB at the Mountain News goes on without end. It's a near-daily event and I delete 99% of what is posted. Just sayin'.
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