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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #2670 on: November 27, 2016, 04:12:28 PM »
Did anyone get there special message from True Ink?
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #2671 on: November 27, 2016, 04:14:06 PM »
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That said, I do not dismiss what Calame and Rhodes say about the FBI

But, you dismiss there theory about McCoy, and are they the one's who started the medallion rumor? where did that story come from, it's in there book isn't it? to prove that they need to discredit others, no?

Can one be selective when it comes to credibility? Carr states if you start to dismiss parts of things people say, you may have to discredit all, you can't have it both ways.

I do not live, or write, in a world of black and white - I live in a world of gray. Yes, I do think that Calame and Rhodes are incorrect in declaring McCoy to be Cooper. But I do accept other aspects of their findings, such as the gas receipts from Las Vegas, and the collect phone call to Provo on Thanksgiving Day evening. The tougher part is what do these pieces of evidence mean?

Then add in the Reno stuff, with post-hypnotic suggestions and fuzzy memories. It is certainly an outlier, but are Calame and Rhodes actually lying? I think not. But the Whole Enchilada is quite messy, especially since not all of their findings are spelled out completely, such as the $8,000 that miraculously popped up in McCoy's checking account after T-Day 1971.

That's why I spend two chapters discussing their findings, with related information from other sources leading me to speculate that McCoy might have been involved in Norjak in some way, such as a ground man.


These are the same people pushing the fact that evidence was switched, and apparently, the documents we are reading must of been altered? no credibility issue's here, right?
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #2672 on: November 27, 2016, 05:36:07 PM »
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Did anyone get there special message from True Ink?
Was it the one asking for your "detective name"?  I guess they are trying to create interest by making it a game.
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #2673 on: November 27, 2016, 05:48:36 PM »
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Did anyone get there special message from True Ink?
Was it the one asking for your "detective name"?  I guess they are trying to create interest by making it a game.

Yes, it appears they made it like a game, with prizes..I asked Gray where they files came from, and he said he couldn't tell me...
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #2674 on: November 27, 2016, 06:20:08 PM »
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Am I the only one who finds this release of FBI docs by Saint Gray, just a little bit fishy? True.Ink Special Ops?


No, you're not the only one. Now, please excuse me, as I have a lot more reading to do....

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Both hair specimens presumably male although that is not specified meaning what? No cellular or medullar stain tests were done?  Permanently mounted on a slide (no future access to the hair)? Protocols for basic hair analysis at the time were?

Interesting files, Georger. They discuss "Mongoloid" and "Negroid" hair characteristics. I didn't know such offensive verbiage was still in use at the Bureau.

By the way, how did these guys make out in the Congressional investigation of the FBI Crime Lab a few years back?
 

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« Reply #2675 on: November 27, 2016, 11:21:34 PM »
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Am I the only one who finds this release of FBI docs by Saint Gray, just a little bit fishy? True.Ink Special Ops?


No, you're not the only one. Now, please excuse me, as I have a lot more reading to do....

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Both hair specimens presumably male although that is not specified meaning what? No cellular or medullar stain tests were done?  Permanently mounted on a slide (no future access to the hair)? Protocols for basic hair analysis at the time were?

Interesting files, Georger. They discuss "Mongoloid" and "Negroid" hair characteristics. I didn't know such offensive verbiage was still in use at the Bureau.

By the way, how did these guys make out in the Congressional investigation of the FBI Crime Lab a few years back?

You cant even open your mouth without creating bias.

Makes any discussion with you about anything impossible. Good luck Homer.

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #2676 on: November 30, 2016, 06:31:33 PM »
FOIA Requests

My FOIA requests went out to the FBI today for a review of selected files on location in Washington , DC. I requested access to:

1. passenger interviews
2. flight path
3 initial ground and aerial search

Now that the files are headed towards the historical side of this investigation, we'll see if there is any more access to stuff beyond what GG has already seen.

Also, a hat-tip to Galen for help with legal terminology and a kick in the ass...
« Last Edit: November 30, 2016, 06:32:16 PM by Bruce A. Smith »
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #2677 on: December 02, 2016, 02:46:38 PM »
The latest reactions to things surrounding the DB Cooper case is something that needs to be addressed. this is a public forum, people with different views will comment, and disagree. when it escalates to someone leaving, it presents a problem for all who are involved.

most of the time we don't have a lot of facts to work with, and speculation takes over. most of the time it works itself out. it's always a battle with people who have suspects in mind, but now it appears to have flowed over into the evidence, or who Cooper really is, or was. personally, I like to try and show proof in things surrounding the case. I will confront things I don't believe are correct, or wrong. that's what a discussion forum does. some people need to understand that you just can't cram thoughts into ones head. this occurs constantly with suspects. if this panel disagree's with more than most on the forum, or the majority, I can't do anything about that. it should be a sign. sure, anyone can be wrong, but is all of this really worth get worked up over? it's a 40 + year old unsolved hijacking, and sadly years from now it might still be the same.

I think it's possible the timing is off on the jump, and I also believe it's possible the dredge had a part in this, but I don't state it as fact, nor do I push it as fact. I try to look over all of the angles. I can't make you believe what I think, so I expect the same in return.

Is it possible Cooper was a pilot, yes it was, but it's not written in stone, just as other things surrounding the case. it's also possible he was a mechanic, a purser, was in the military, an engineer, a bus boy, worked at Boeing. he could of been latin, american indian, or even been involved with explosives. for all we know, he could of been a used car salesman.

what needs to be done is eliminating the above, and try to figure out who Cooper was, and not what we think he was, or is!

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #2678 on: December 07, 2016, 05:25:41 PM »
Hey! I just realised something.

I have done more writing on the Cooper case than Geof Gray has!  But of course so have others.  :)) :)) C:-)
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #2679 on: December 15, 2016, 11:41:48 PM »
DB Cooper podcast tonight

I'll be appearing on an Internet radio stream tonight, from 9 pm until midnight, Pacific Time. The station is called: "Spaced Out Radio." The host, Dave Scott says they have 25,000 listeners, and this will be one of the first shows on DB Cooper.
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #2680 on: December 16, 2016, 12:12:36 AM »
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DB Cooper podcast tonight

I'll be appearing on an Internet radio stream tonight, from 9 pm until midnight, Pacific Time. The station is called: "Spaced Out Radio." The host, Dave Scott says they have 25,000 listeners, and this will be one of the first shows on DB Cooper.

What podcast manager do you recommend? All Im hearing is LIVE music on that station.  :)) Give essential details pleeaz. Maybe we can hear you now then?   ;) ..........  this Cooper stuff is really fun! .............. 
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #2681 on: December 16, 2016, 12:27:49 AM »
Hit "enter site" and it pops right on...

I'm trying to figure out where he got the CIA knew the stairs could be deployed in the air when they had them removed for any type of jump, or cargo, and where he was told that the 727 was only one with 15 degree flaps?
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #2682 on: December 16, 2016, 12:42:02 AM »
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Hit "enter site" and it pops right on...

I'm trying to figure out where he got the CIA knew the stairs could be deployed in the air when they had them removed for any type of jump, or cargo, and where he was told that the 727 was only one with 15 degree flaps?

Not for me -= too advanced for me - enjoy!

Instead I get to do Christmas tonite! Whooopie. 
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #2683 on: December 16, 2016, 12:49:47 AM »
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should pop on...
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #2684 on: December 16, 2016, 03:15:05 AM »
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I'm trying to figure out where he got the CIA knew the stairs could be deployed in the air when they had them removed for any type of jump, or cargo, and where he was told that the 727 was only one with 15 degree flaps?

Himmelsbach in my source for the CIA involvement on the aft stairs deployment.
Rataczak is my source for the 15 degree wing flap setting on 727s.

I have stated this multiple times on this forum and others. It is also stated clearly in my book. Should I say it differently, or more loudly perhaps?

It's snarky missives like this that keep me from the forum.