It's pretty simple to get the coords from the path and you can get a close range of where they show the plane in that area. it's not west of the path. my concerns have always been a placard on the ground for almost 8 years. the other problem is the damage to it. this had to have been prior to exit since you claim it didn't move or get grown over in dense foliage. it's inconclusive. that's all I'm saying. it's not a gotcha theory nor do I believe it can prove anything. it will also drift much different.

I really don't know how or when the placard got ripped...but it did get ripped...that had to require some force.

I just cannot imagine how the placard migrates much on the forest floor. I searched in the woods this last year and it's not only dense, it's also quite calm. Plus there weren't any floods happening near the placard find.

I look at the placard and ask, "What can this tell me?" That's just how I approach it. Same thing with the skirt.

I do not believe it gets us anywhere by simply resolving that we don't know exactly every last detail about the placard and its journey, therefore we should ignore it. In fact, it can tell us a lot. It provides clues.

These are the coordinates that I have for the Hicks placard find. I believe I got these from Bruce:

46°14’38.4″N 122°41’01.3″W

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that puts it to the west of the both the FBI flight path and the centerline of V23.

The location is correct.

However, it is WEST of the FBI Flight Path, but EAST of centerline V23.

It's on the east side of V23...pretty simple.

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It's pretty simple to get the coords from the path and you can get a close range of where they show the plane in that area. it's not west of the path. my concerns have always been a placard on the ground for almost 8 years. the other problem is the damage to it. this had to have been prior to exit since you claim it didn't move or get grown over in dense foliage. it's inconclusive. that's all I'm saying. it's not a gotcha theory nor do I believe it can prove anything. it will also drift much different.

I really don't know how or when the placard got ripped...but it did get ripped...that had to require some force.

I just cannot imagine how the placard migrates much on the forest floor. I searched in the woods this last year and it's not only dense, it's also quite calm. Plus there weren't any floods happening near the placard find.

I look at the placard and ask, "What can this tell me?" That's just how I approach it. Same thing with the skirt.

I do not believe it gets us anywhere by simply resolving that we don't know exactly every last detail about the placard and its journey, therefore we should ignore it. In fact, it can tell us a lot. It provides clues.

FJ keeps saying you have no proof the placard even came from 305!  Likewise the socalled skirt with part number ? Part number does not match the skirt and was dismissed by the FBI !

Oh really. Well I'm curious to know the part number he has for the skirt (I'm taking your word that he implies he has the skirt part number found). Moreover, I'm curious for him to explain how the placard, which came from INSIDE a 727, found its way into the woods. And yes, the placard did come from INSIDE the jet, as you may recall I verified this with Boeing at the time we finally got the part number.

The truth hurts. Them facts be stubborn for some fellas.

Again...

The documents prior to the newspaper report support it coming from 305. they explain it possibly came out after the stairs were opened and pressure pulled it off the wall. they wouldn't explain that if the drawings showed the placard on the fuselage.

Cinebar was not dismissed by part number..

And you are saying TK's analysis of the placard was wrong ??

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These are the coordinates that I have for the Hicks placard find. I believe I got these from Bruce:

46°14’38.4″N 122°41’01.3″W

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that puts it to the west of the both the FBI flight path and the centerline of V23.

The location is correct.

However, it is WEST of the FBI Flight Path, but EAST of centerline V23.

Sorry, yes. I messed that up. It is east of both the FBI flight path and the centerline of V23.

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These are the coordinates that I have for the Hicks placard find. I believe I got these from Bruce:

46°14’38.4″N 122°41’01.3″W

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that puts it to the west of the both the FBI flight path and the centerline of V23.

The location is correct.

However, it is WEST of the FBI Flight Path, but EAST of centerline V23.

Sorry, yes. I messed that up. It is east of both the FBI flight path and the centerline of V23.

It's in between the two.

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What’s everyone’s best guess on when Cooper jumped?

8:13 pm - 8:16 window. Its interesting that 99 never posts any 302s to defend his position. I think he's out of date. Could anyone posting here or anywhere else pass 99's credential requirement - NO! Just 99. In my life Ive found that credentials sometimes have meaning and sometimes not, and sometimes are a curse to getting at working solutions and the truth! Common sense and Basic Research carries weight with me.

I think as time goes on the FBI FOIA releases are going to begin to have a larger impact on all Cooper discussion  as more people begin to read and absorb them. My God! Im 77 years old and here I am having spent months reading and absorbing these files, to put things in order and try to get a better perspective on the Cooper case. I think actual historical knowledge about this case actually matters.

For example: 302s document that after the Ingram find and Tosaw hiring Blake Payne to dredge and recover artifacts from the Columbia near Hayden Island in 1982, it was Portland's Dorwin Schreuder who first saw and examined some of these artifacts. Dorwin was interviewed by local reporters and rendered his judgement as best he could. These artifacts were then passed to Seattle and on to Labs for analysis and further judgment. Socalled parachute cord, a bone, etc. Its an interesting historical fact. And its me, Georger, releasing this information for the first time; not Shutter, EU, Blevins, R99, 377, FJ, Smith, etc . . .  that's the kind of basic research Im talking about. I will post the 302s  as time rolls on. BTW the reason Tosaw had Payne searching around Hayden Island is because at the time Tosaw had been told (by one official) that 305 crossed the Columbia over the tip of Hayden Island - a tip that turned out to be flawed! 

I have always found that "credentials are as credentials DO" ............... whether its digging a ditch or working on the COVID virus. The Cooper case is somewhere in between these extremes and nobody needs anyone else's permission to do it! 

A poll recently taken of retired FBI Agents seems to indicate that the Cooper case may never pass outside the FBI for solution - eg. to the Smithsonian! I was surprised to find out how strongly agents polled feel about this subject. Im not sure what reaction to have ...    It is what it  is!   

I agree completely, G, that as more people read and absorb the 302s our discussions will change.

Already the 302s are re-shaping how I think - and write - my 3rd Edition. It's as if the 302s are demanding an entire re-write and re-thinking of the case. Just in the past few weeks the issue of fingerprints has come up via the 302s, and that is generating a whole new, separate chapter on the fingerprint analysis and the question of why there is so much uncertainty about what the FBI has and when they got it.

Along those lines, I am indebted to the many readers here who have read tons of 302s and have sent me relevant or intriguing docs to add to the book. The cataloguing that you're doing G is invaluable.