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« Reply #2760 on: July 05, 2018, 11:42:16 PM »
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the FBI has samples of Cooper's hair,
Unless the disposable headrest cover was changed prior to flight, I'd wonder how they could be sure it we're Cooper's hairs and not from the passengers in the flights prior.

dna can only be obtained from the root of hair.  Dark bands in hair are proof of death of the provider. 

Hair is made of a tough protein called keratin. A hair follicle anchors each hair into the skin. The hair bulb forms the base of the hair follicle. In the hair bulb, living cells divide and grow to build the hair shaft and the only source of dna in a hair strand. 

Bruce Kitt Dir NWA History has the answers you seek. Blevins interviewed Kitt extensively. Ask Blevins. He's at TMN Cooper forum.
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« Reply #2761 on: July 10, 2018, 11:08:14 AM »
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Does anybody know if the crew was searched in Reno??? possible reference?
 

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« Reply #2762 on: July 10, 2018, 12:22:08 PM »
Fly jack what is your thinking on the search of the crew
 

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« Reply #2763 on: July 10, 2018, 12:54:16 PM »
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Fly jack what is your thinking on the search of the crew

It is a bit premature, I'd get personally attacked for being "speculative"..

but, it pulls everything together. It all makes sense, fits known evidence but I can't prove it, the FBI could though.
 

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« Reply #2764 on: July 10, 2018, 05:16:21 PM »
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Does anybody know if the crew was searched in Reno??? possible reference?

So you're inferring that the crew such as Tina was involved with Hahneman, correct?  Interesting how close she lived near him... But the one thing that makes me think that it's not plausible she was involved is this....when someone is behested to do a covert deed that assume alot of risk, they are then taken care of later in life... Doors open very easy for them..and Mucklow was very young and quite attractive, and later in life I read somewhere an article of someone who tracked her down that she lives in a tiny house in an undesirable lower middle class neighborhood. Just on that alone I do not buy it, because it doesn't sound to me she had any privileges later on in life... And let me beat you to punch before you mention Hahneman and perhaps his non special abode in PA... wholly different because he travelled frequently and I'd bet had several pads overseas. 
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« Reply #2765 on: July 10, 2018, 05:49:28 PM »
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Does anybody know if the crew was searched in Reno??? possible reference?

So you're inferring that the crew such as Tina was involved with Hahneman, correct?  Interesting how close she lived near him... But the one thing that makes me think that it's not plausible she was involved is this....when someone is behested to do a covert deed that assume alot of risk, they are then taken care of later in life... Doors open very easy for them..and Mucklow was very young and quite attractive, and later in life I read somewhere an article of someone who tracked her down that she lives in a tiny house in an undesirable lower middle class neighborhood. Just on that alone I do not buy it, because it doesn't sound to me she had any privileges later on in life... And let me beat you to punch before you mention Hahneman and perhaps his non special abode in PA... wholly different because he travelled frequently and I'd bet had several pads overseas.

No, not what I am looking at here..
 

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« Reply #2766 on: July 11, 2018, 10:17:49 AM »
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Stumbled on this... haven't seen it before.

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April 12, 1965

FROM COMMERCIAL TO MILITARY— A Boeing 727 takes part in a test demonstrating its use as a military air drop assault transport. Here one of the simulated cargo loads leaves plane as it flies at low speed and altitude.

Newspaper pic..  looking for more on this event.

Takeaway is - Because it was in the media, 727 air drops were not a secret.

From FBI files - checked everyone associated with the test Boeing drops and concluded unrelated.

Boeing test drops differed from NORJAK.

speed - 125 knots

flaps - 25 degrees

alt - 10,000 ft



NORJAK

Gear Down

Flaps - 15 degrees

Aft Door open AND Air Stairs Down

Cooper thought air Stairs controlled by pilot.
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« Reply #2767 on: July 11, 2018, 11:46:40 AM »
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Does anybody know if the crew was searched in Reno??? possible reference?

So you're inferring that the crew such as Tina was involved with Hahneman, correct?  Interesting how close she lived near him... But the one thing that makes me think that it's not plausible she was involved is this....when someone is behested to do a covert deed that assume alot of risk, they are then taken care of later in life... Doors open very easy for them..and Mucklow was very young and quite attractive, and later in life I read somewhere an article of someone who tracked her down that she lives in a tiny house in an undesirable lower middle class neighborhood. Just on that alone I do not buy it, because it doesn't sound to me she had any privileges later on in life... And let me beat you to punch before you mention Hahneman and perhaps his non special abode in PA... wholly different because he travelled frequently and I'd bet had several pads overseas.

Has anyone checked to see whether she had any debts, or any obligations like a sick family member or a loved one who had been accepted to an expensive school, etc.?  Maybe something like that was taken care of for her.  Also, I have seen a lot of true crime type of stories in which one person did something crazy for another, just because they believed they were in love.  I don't know whether any of those situations would apply here.  They would be a possible explanation for Mucklow's modest lifestyle, if she had been an accomplice, though.

It's also possible that there were accomplices who didn't get paid what they were supposed to, either because Cooper just disappeared with the money, or because he died on the jump, or because his attempt to tie the money bag closed unraveled mid-air.
 

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« Reply #2768 on: July 11, 2018, 12:08:25 PM »
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Does anybody know if the crew was searched in Reno??? possible reference?

So you're inferring that the crew such as Tina was involved with Hahneman, correct?  Interesting how close she lived near him... But the one thing that makes me think that it's not plausible she was involved is this....when someone is behested to do a covert deed that assume alot of risk, they are then taken care of later in life... Doors open very easy for them..and Mucklow was very young and quite attractive, and later in life I read somewhere an article of someone who tracked her down that she lives in a tiny house in an undesirable lower middle class neighborhood. Just on that alone I do not buy it, because it doesn't sound to me she had any privileges later on in life... And let me beat you to punch before you mention Hahneman and perhaps his non special abode in PA... wholly different because he travelled frequently and I'd bet had several pads overseas.

Has anyone checked to see whether she had any debts, or any obligations like a sick family member or a loved one who had been accepted to an expensive school, etc.?  Maybe something like that was taken care of for her.  Also, I have seen a lot of true crime type of stories in which one person did something crazy for another, just because they believed they were in love.  I don't know whether any of those situations would apply here.  They would be a possible explanation for Mucklow's modest lifestyle, if she had been an accomplice, though.

It's also possible that there were accomplices who didn't get paid what they were supposed to, either because Cooper just disappeared with the money, or because he died on the jump, or because his attempt to tie the money bag closed unraveled mid-air.

Legitimate to consider whether Tina had prior contact with the hijacker, inferring collusion.

but, I am looking at a scenario that doesn't include prior contact or any specific suspect such as Hahneman.

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« Reply #2769 on: July 11, 2018, 12:37:35 PM »
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Legitimate to consider whether Tina had prior contact with the hijacker, inferring collusion.

but, I am looking at a scenario that doesn't include prior contact or any specific suspect such as Hahneman.

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That sounds interesting.  I'll look forward to seeing it, when / if you decide to post about it.
 

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« Reply #2770 on: July 11, 2018, 08:23:03 PM »
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It's also possible that there were accomplices who didn't get paid what they were supposed to

VERY unlikely...   those types would anonymously tip off cops of Cooper, as retribution. They would NOT keep it quiet....nobody does when getting stiffed.
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Does anybody know if the crew was searched in Reno??? possible reference?

So you're inferring that the crew such as Tina was involved with Hahneman, correct?  Interesting how close she lived near him... But the one thing that makes me think that it's not plausible she was involved is this....when someone is behested to do a covert deed that assume alot of risk, they are then taken care of later in life... Doors open very easy for them..and Mucklow was very young and quite attractive, and later in life I read somewhere an article of someone who tracked her down that she lives in a tiny house in an undesirable lower middle class neighborhood. Just on that alone I do not buy it, because it doesn't sound to me she had any privileges later on in life... And let me beat you to punch before you mention Hahneman and perhaps his non special abode in PA... wholly different because he travelled frequently and I'd bet had several pads overseas.

Has anyone checked to see whether she had any debts, or any obligations like a sick family member or a loved one who had been accepted to an expensive school, etc.?  Maybe something like that was taken care of for her.  Also, I have seen a lot of true crime type of stories in which one person did something crazy for another, just because they believed they were in love.  I don't know whether any of those situations would apply here.  They would be a possible explanation for Mucklow's modest lifestyle, if she had been an accomplice, though.

It's also possible that there were accomplices who didn't get paid what they were supposed to, either because Cooper just disappeared with the money, or because he died on the jump, or because his attempt to tie the money bag closed unraveled mid-air.

Legitimate to consider whether Tina had prior contact with the hijacker, inferring collusion.

but, I am looking at a scenario that doesn't include prior contact or any specific suspect such as Hahneman.

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I disagree wholeheartedly on inferred collusion.....What possible benefit could the hijacker have in colluding with a stewardess????   NONE... NONE whatsoever.... I could see the value of colluding with the captain, for he could tip him off in some fashion  when to jump  and/or  fly over the desired target.... Whats colluding with Tina gonna do ?   Get him an extra pack of peanuts?  Kidding aside, show me exactly how it'd make any sense to collude with a 19 year old stewardess have a real net benefit over a net detriment.
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It's also possible that there were accomplices who didn't get paid what they were supposed to

VERY unlikely...   those types would anonymously tip off cops of Cooper, as retribution. They would NOT keep it quiet....nobody does when getting stiffed.

If Cooper straight up stiffed an accomplice, I agree that the accomplice would probably tip off the FBI anonymously.  Lots of people did tip off the authorities anonymously, though.  It could be that the tip was not considered reliable.  Also, in a scenario where Cooper didn't end up with the money either (e.g. Cooper dies, or the bag doesn't stay tied to him), I would think that accomplices would want to avoid the risk of even an "anonymous" call (assuming that they believed that he died, or that the bag came loose).

I didn't really have an opinion on whether any of the stewardesses were in on it until I read your post below.  I hadn't really thought about the fact that there isn't really anything that a stewardess would be able to do for Cooper other than what she would normally do in a hijacking.    That's a good point.
 
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It's also possible that there were accomplices who didn't get paid what they were supposed to

VERY unlikely...   those types would anonymously tip off cops of Cooper, as retribution. They would NOT keep it quiet....nobody does when getting stiffed.

If Cooper straight up stiffed an accomplice, I agree that the accomplice would probably tip off the FBI anonymously.  Lots of people did tip off the authorities anonymously, though.  It could be that the tip was not considered reliable.  Also, in a scenario where Cooper didn't end up with the money either (e.g. Cooper dies, or the bag doesn't stay tied to him), I would think that accomplices would want to avoid the risk of even an "anonymous" call (assuming that they believed that he died, or that the bag came loose).

I didn't really have an opinion on whether any of the stewardesses were in on it until I read your post below.  I hadn't really thought about the fact that there isn't really anything that a stewardess would be able to do for Cooper other than what she would normally do in a hijacking.    That's a good point.

You guys are dancing around this but haven't put all the pieces together..

For almost 50 years people have been trying keys in the lock but it doesn't open..

This unlocks the door. We just have to open it.

It doesn't involve any specific suspect or prior contact (collusion).
 

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« Reply #2774 on: July 12, 2018, 12:15:29 PM »
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It's also possible that there were accomplices who didn't get paid what they were supposed to

VERY unlikely...   those types would anonymously tip off cops of Cooper, as retribution. They would NOT keep it quiet....nobody does when getting stiffed.

If Cooper straight up stiffed an accomplice, I agree that the accomplice would probably tip off the FBI anonymously.  Lots of people did tip off the authorities anonymously, though.  It could be that the tip was not considered reliable.


Sry,   Think of the saying "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."  No one is angrier than a woman who has been rejected in love, and this also equally applies to someone getting ripped off, especially a big caper like this... Think of Morrie in GoodFellas, although he ended up dead, you could see his anger, and it'd have continued until paid.......   a person scammed like this, the ego would not allow that synapse to exist and for them to get away with it, and would continue to tip off until they were certain the authorities knew, if their first attempt didn't work.
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