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Offline Shutter

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6165 on: February 26, 2021, 08:46:51 PM »
Guys, ease up on the insults. we are talking about drinks..the bickering needs to stop. we are all adults here. lets help each other instead of insulting. it gets nowhere and nowhere fast. we are all here trying to find answers. we are going to get back on track here with actual discussion. it's not that hard to do. Cooper is our priority..lets get to work on it and leave the ego's at the door..

We have a lot of interesting people in the background as guests and members. some from the political field, some from Homeland Security, colleges, schools as well as the FBI. lets give them something to read other than insulting each other. I know each and everyone of you is capable of making it happen.
 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6166 on: February 26, 2021, 08:54:16 PM »
Now, if you don't mind, I would like to drink my Tequila and milk in peace  :rofl:
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6167 on: February 26, 2021, 09:34:33 PM »
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A Bourbon Ricky is made with bourbon and soda or bourbon and seven-up?  Sorry for my ignorance.  I was always more of a beer and shot type of drinker. (Shot of Mezcal with a Stroh's chaser) lol
A bourbon rickey is bourbon with club soda or sparkling water usually with a squeeze of lime.
 
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« Reply #6168 on: February 26, 2021, 09:35:39 PM »
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Now, if you don't mind, I would like to drink my Tequila and milk in peace  :rofl:
I have a friend who drinks beer with V-8 juice  :nono:
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6169 on: February 27, 2021, 11:17:09 AM »
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It was a bourbon and soda!!  Why do you twist it to a bourbon and 7 up?  Are you nuts about 7 up?  Soda is CLUB SODA. Never heard of it?  Ever hit a bar in your life?  I was 14 when he jumped.  I know how the old boys ordered a drink back in the day.  I worked in restaurants as a cook.  A bourbon and soda is a bourbon and soda.  Not that it matters or will solve this case.  But the poster that wants to twist the facts is dead wrong. Why dont you try and get Muckler or the other sky girl who is hidden somewhere in S Carolina to tell  you what soda mean?  It means soda   Not 7 UP   Even now if someone goes into a bar and is at a social event and does not want to drink, perhaps he or she is an alcoholic?  They usually order a club soda.  Awful tasting stuff I will grant you that.  But no sugar. 

On a more important topic, just how intensive was the search in Canada?  I would think that would be important based on the french comic book and the use of the term "American currency".  Did the Canadian authorities go after this with the same enthusiasm that the US did?  Somehow I doubt it.
If you’re referring to me, mate, well I’m sorry for your anger issues. Merely my opinion based on how popular 7&7 was at the time of the hijacking - particularly as served on planes. While, I’m not a bartender, I’ve drank enough booze and closed enough bars to know the difference between club soda and 7-Up. Having an alcoholic Irish Catholic dad helped too (he kicked the habit btw).

The drink you’re referring to is a Bourbon Rickey which is far less common an order than 7&7.

I certainly could be wrong, but I’d be shocked if I am. Either way, perhaps you should relax and have one - unless warm milk is more your style.

Ha.  Anger issues?  Really?  After I was called names for stating what soda is?  Please.  So yesterday was drinks. What can I piss someone off about today?  ( I believe this is what poor Billy Rollins warned me about).  Ok.  Got it.  What the hell is Olive skin?  Can someone please answer that? 
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6170 on: February 27, 2021, 12:10:42 PM »
Mr. Fan,

You seem to be the only one who is upset. I’m not pissed off at all. I was a little confused why you attacked me for suggesting what drink Cooper ordered, but I wasn’t angry. You, on the other hand, seem quite vexed.

It’s all good on my end. Cheers. :chr2:
 

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« Reply #6171 on: February 27, 2021, 12:12:03 PM »
Both sides have responded...move on...
 
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« Reply #6172 on: February 27, 2021, 12:42:36 PM »
RANDOM THOUGHTS

Upon reviewing several 302s, I am certain that DBC initially planned to jump in the exurbs of Seattle. The two things that jacked him up were the jet departing to the south and the airstairs being in the up position during the departure.

Additionally, DBC lost a few minutes of time because he couldn’t get the airstairs down immediately.

It is interesting to note that Cooper was not wearing a parachute and did not have the money or attaché case attached to his person upon takeoff. Apparently his plan called for donning and securing all of these items to his person after takeoff with no one around. Moreover, it appears that everything was staged for him to accomplish this task in about five minutes or so.
 
It is also clear that DBC used the nylon cord wrapped around his waist to secure the bank bag, attaché case and dummy reserve in a manner similar to a smokejumper or military jumper whereby everything is secured low in front of the crotch and thighs.

I am certain that the dummy reserve was used to hold approximately $50K of ransom because the bank bag was too full to properly cinch and secure. I believe Tina witnessed part of this process. This explains how some of the cash was separated from the bank bag and ended up alone on Tena Bar.

Finally, it is clear to me that DBC intended on keeping Tina with him from the start—in other words, this was not decided later as part of an improvised plan—because he ordered four meals for the crew right off the bat.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6173 on: February 27, 2021, 02:24:17 PM »
To emphasize one point in particular...

...it strikes me that the reason DBC did not put his parachute on and attach all of the other items to his person--which he had plenty of time to do--in advance of taking off, rather opting to sit in the back chilling upon takeoff, was to give the impression that he was going to stay onboard for awhile upon departing Seattle.

However, his plan was to quickly get everything on and jump after Tina entered the cockpit before anyone realized what had happened. As noted earlier though, a couple of things delayed his Seattle-ex-urb jump and forced him to improvise and jump in the ex-urbs of Portland.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6174 on: February 27, 2021, 04:34:40 PM »
If he didn't want the plane to head south why did he initially ask to go to Mexico?
 

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« Reply #6175 on: February 27, 2021, 04:40:20 PM »
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If he didn't want the plane to head south why did he initially ask to go to Mexico?

I said nothing about not wanting the jet to head south. After all, they agreed upon Reno.

I'm talking about departing Seattle on either runway 16 or runway 34. If they depart 34 this gives DBC several more minutes before they're out of the Seattle region because the jet has to turn back south. Departing 16--as happened--means they're immediately heading out of the Seattle metropolitan area which shortens his window to prepare to jump.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6176 on: February 27, 2021, 04:43:34 PM »
I am convinced that his original jump zone was Seattle, which given the fact that he did not board with any luggage, indicates he started his day in Seattle. In other words, he flew from Seattle to PDX a couple of hours before he flew back to Seattle on 305.
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« Reply #6177 on: February 27, 2021, 05:30:30 PM »
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I am convinced that his original jump zone was Seattle, which given the fact that he did not board with any luggage, indicates he started his day in Seattle. In other words, he flew from Seattle to PDX a couple of hours before he flew back to Seattle on 305.

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« Reply #6178 on: February 27, 2021, 09:21:48 PM »
Sounds perfectly plausible, EU. If he had bailed out when he intended (outskirts of Seattle), it would have given him the entire duration of the flight to Reno to escape. Moreover, had it not been for the pressure bump, the search area could have been anywhere from Washington to Nevada.

The fact that he jumped later than intended would have put him in very unfamiliar territory and made any escape many times more difficult. Instead of walking home into the suburbs of Sea-Tac, he had to hump it out in remote, rugged, rural Washington in a business suit and 25 lbs. of money. I think that would have made it virtually impossible for him to escape detection.
 

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« Reply #6179 on: February 28, 2021, 12:48:18 AM »
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Sounds perfectly plausible, EU. If he had bailed out when he intended (outskirts of Seattle), it would have given him the entire duration of the flight to Reno to escape. Moreover, had it not been for the pressure bump, the search area could have been anywhere from Washington to Nevada.

The fact that he jumped later than intended would have put him in very unfamiliar territory and made any escape many times more difficult. Instead of walking home into the suburbs of Sea-Tac, he had to hump it out in remote, rugged, rural Washington in a business suit and 25 lbs. of money. I think that would have made it virtually impossible for him to escape detection.

If he bails near SEA and it is detected LE can draw hundreds of people to a small search area very quickly and circle him - bailing later further south LE loses all advantage, just as it happened. 

Cooper's socalled INTENTIONS are irrelevant and impossible to know - its what he did that matters.  Intentions and thoughts (and impure thoughts) can only be guessed by performance/demonstration. Testing programs and psychometry can only measure and predict based on recording people's actual performance. We learned that thru testing conducted in WWI!     

That was the flaw in PLF's whole 'thru the lens of logic'. He makes assumptions which are untrue, unprovable, unknown, unknowable! PLF makes assumptions that only agree with himself!  :rofl:

Fact is:  nobody was reporting to ground control and LE  what Cooper was doing or not doing, or what it appeared he might be doing and his INTENTIONS ... after take off until about the time Tina came in to the cockpit. Cooper actually jumped shortly after this. Moreover, Cooper did not "prepare" for bailing immediately after takeoff, if by some guesswork you know his INTENTIONS. Cooper went through an orderly step-by-step procedure  ... 'and it looks as though he's getting ready to jump' ...   

Cooper did not perform as a person getting ready to perform a jump right after takeoff at SEA! Factually, he was not ready to jump immediately after takeoff; that had nothing to do with him not being given the backpack for the money or the delay due to fueling, as Flyjack contends. For one thing his plan relied on testing the stairs under stable flight conditions before bailing ... his communications with the cockpit just prior to jumping document that.       
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