Were divers ever sent down to your knowledge near Tena Bar?  Or anywhere in the River?  Anyway, once again I will say, for those of you that are really into this case, a listen to Infamous America's coverage of it is a must!  It almost puts you in the plane to listen.  They even give you the college teams that were playing in the football game that Thanksgiving  They go into the lives of many of those involved.  Its a fabulous listen.  And of course guys like Kaye and  Gray are mentioned with the work they put in.  You will still have to decide what you believe happened. I think the old boy made it. He was too calculating and cool to have done things so well to just jump to his death. He was smart enough to know what he was up against.  Who knows what he may have had down there in those woods?  Or if he had help?  The story never ends.

Another great listen is the one on the Black Sox scandal of 1919 and the story of how the World Series was fixed.  Just in case you are not familiar. If you have seen 8 Men Out with John Cusack, Charlie Sheen and more, you will like it.  Its about 8 parts.  Cooper is 3.  But a very good 3.

         






Now if you do get to part 4 that I have not posted here, many of the usual suspects are mentioned. But one extra is mentioned I have never heard.  Forrest Fenn!!!!  Yes. THE  Forrest Fenn who planted the million dollar treasure in the Rocky Mountains, it was found not that long ago and sadly I believe Forrest passed away within the past year.  But I am not going to confirm that here.  It might be a task to go find a pic of Forrest when he was a young man?  Its another long shot, but isn't this entire thing a long shot?  So if you have never heard the Infamous America version of the story, please listen, you will not be disappoointed

Were divers ever sent down to your knowledge near Tena Bar?  Or anywhere in the River?  Anyway, once again I will say, for those of you that are really into this case, a listen to Infamous America's coverage of it is a must!  It almost puts you in the plane to listen.  They even give you the college teams that were playing in the football game that Thanksgiving  They go into the lives of many of those involved.  Its a fabulous listen.  And of course guys like Kaye and  Gray are mentioned with the work they put in.  You will still have to decide what you believe happened. I think the old boy made it. He was too calculating and cool to have done things so well to just jump to his death. He was smart enough to know what he was up against.  Who knows what he may have had down there in those woods?  Or if he had help?  The story never ends.

Richard Tosaw, a former FBI agent and author of the book, "D.B. Cooper - Dead or Alive", reportedly did quite a bit of underwater explorations at Tina Bar in the early 1980's after the money was found.  He didn't find anything apparently.

I'm sure that we will all agree that the three bundles of money arrived at the location where they were found at the same time.

Cooper may have been smart enough to know what he was up against, but he was foolish to jump under those existing conditions in my opinion.

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Forrest Fenn.  Click above.  Cant figure how to past the pic without the link  Nevermind

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Were divers ever sent down to your knowledge near Tena Bar?  Or anywhere in the River?  Anyway, once again I will say, for those of you that are really into this case, a listen to Infamous America's coverage of it is a must!  It almost puts you in the plane to listen.  They even give you the college teams that were playing in the football game that Thanksgiving  They go into the lives of many of those involved.  Its a fabulous listen.  And of course guys like Kaye and  Gray are mentioned with the work they put in.  You will still have to decide what you believe happened. I think the old boy made it. He was too calculating and cool to have done things so well to just jump to his death. He was smart enough to know what he was up against.  Who knows what he may have had down there in those woods?  Or if he had help?  The story never ends.

Richard Tosaw, a former FBI agent and author of the book, "D.B. Cooper - Dead or Alive", reportedly did quite a bit of underwater explorations at Tina Bar in the early 1980's after the money was found.  He didn't find anything apparently.

I'm sure that we will all agree that the three bundles of money arrived at the location where they were found at the same time.

Cooper may have been smart enough to know what he was up against, but he was foolish to jump under those existing conditions in my opinion.

Maybe so, but he likely had the date and flight chosen well in advance, and its not easy to call something like this off once you have engaged. So he had little choice once he hit the start button.  But perhaps he did have someone waiting below?  That would be my guess.

And Thank Bruce for the reply on the divers

The hijacking was not "on" until Cooper handed the hijack note to Flo.  Cooper made it a point to be one of the last to board and to sit in the rear of the cabin.  If he had seen someone he knew or thought was a Sky Marshall, he could have simply kept the note in his pocket and got off the aircraft at SEATAC and tried on another day.

I think there is some significance in the fact that he chose to jump at night. He could have taken the earlier flight and jumped while there was at least a little daylight left yet he chose the more risky jump in the darkness. Might this indicate something as per his sky diving experience? Did any of the copy cats jump at night?

I think some but not all of the copy cats did jump at night.  Cooper knew, or should have known, that he would be jumping at night since he specified that the money and parachutes should be at SEATAC by 5:00 PM prior to the landing there.  Sunset in Seattle that day was about 4:30 or 4:45 PM and due to the rain and cloud cover it was going to be very dark by 5:00 PM.

There are two things reflecting on Cooper's parachuting experience or lack of it.  First, he did not specify a sky diver rig but just two chest and two back pack parachutes.  He got what he asked for but there were do D rings on the back pack harnesses to attach the chest packs.

Second, Tina saw him put on one of the back packs and said that he appeared to know what he was doing.  It is unknown if Tina had ever seen someone put on a parachute before.  Also, Cooper said he didn't need to read the parachute jumping instructions that Al Lee had thoughtfully included with the parachutes.  This suggests that Cooper may have had some previous experience in wearing a parachute but does not indicate that he had any sky diving experience. 

Further, if Cooper did easily put on the back pack as Tina suggests, it probably was not an NB-6 parachute harness which was one of the most complicated harnesses in use at that time and required some effort to get it on right.

Infamous America Podcast

It is a good podcast, but it is heavy on Himmelsbach, and includes a few of his factual errors, such as Cooper sitting in seat 18-C.

There are actually four segments to the DB Cooper section. The fourth episode is a conversation between the host and the writer, and it reveals the depth of their research, which was extensive. It also shows their perspective on how they got interested in the case, which I found interesting.

The production gets more interesting in Episodes 2 and 3, the latter especially, as they work in more material, such as Tom Kaye and the Citizen Sleuths.

As for most podcasts, I found it enjoyable to be doing something as I listened. In this case, I grouted some of the tiles of the trailer and watched the snow come down, again. Whew.

BTW: They give a nice shout-out to Darren and his Cooper Vortex.

Yes Bruce, I find it a very entertaining listen!  They even have background noise to dramatize the people at the airport for instance. They try to put you there and its the best one for listening that I have found.  The one that shows the birds all flying up out of the trees is a good one if you are not familiar with the case.  I will actually listen to the IA one again. It gives details that take a bit of research.  Such as what became of Muckler and the other hot stewardess.  Shaffner?  Flo?  But seriously, when you guys talk about the copy cat jumps, is that not enough to prove that he could have made it?  And lets say that he is Canadian, which I do believe based on the statement "negotiable American currancy" he would be a bit used to a little cold in the face.  Who couldn't take it for a bit knowing the lute you are about to haul off?  I think if he had it to do over, he would have asked for half a million like McCoy.   But I understand his mindset not trying to be too greedy also.  Maybe the cops are less likely to start shooting and ask questions later?  So until the smoking gun of the money is found, we will speculate, and argue this case over and over. That money has to be somewhere.  And do you believe it could have gotten through the cracks back the?  No computers?  Everything was done with paper. So if he laundered it in Canada or Europe, why would it absolutely have to show up?  I leave that question to the experts

As per earlier mention of cadaver dogs....     Were any brought to Tena Bar upon the discovery of the money in 1980?