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« Reply #4350 on: June 19, 2020, 03:29:44 AM »
If it was a dummy reserve would the packing card have said so? Tosaw said when he interviewed Tina, she said he was looking at a packing card. If it did tell you then that would make some sense as to why cooper was checking out a packing card, if tosaw was telling the truth anyway and Tina really told him that.
 

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« Reply #4351 on: June 20, 2020, 05:45:08 PM »
I tried to post a reply here. I got distracted in the middle of it, and when I came back and finished it, apparently my log-n had timed out. I finished my post, but when I hit 'post', it took me to the log-in page. I re-logged in, but my post was gone. Is there a way to retrieve that, because I don't feel like typing that all again.
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« Reply #4352 on: June 20, 2020, 10:36:52 PM »
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I tried to post a reply here. I got distracted in the middle of it, and when I came back and finished it, apparently my log-n had timed out. I finished my post, but when I hit 'post', it took me to the log-in page. I re-logged in, but my post was gone. Is there a way to retrieve that, because I don't feel like typing that all again.

If you get timed out and the login page appears go ahead and log in and hit the back button and a re-submission page shows or something like that so hit the back button again and your post will be there..don't leave the site or that option will no longer work..
 

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« Reply #4353 on: June 21, 2020, 02:21:13 AM »
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If it was a dummy reserve would the packing card have said so? Tosaw said when he interviewed Tina, she said he was looking at a packing card. If it did tell you then that would make some sense as to why cooper was checking out a packing card, if tosaw was telling the truth anyway and Tina really told him that.

A dummy reserve would not have a packing card to begin with.  The dummy reserve was junk and no rigger would sign a packing card for such a thing.
 

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« Reply #4354 on: June 21, 2020, 03:52:46 AM »
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If it was a dummy reserve would the packing card have said so? Tosaw said when he interviewed Tina, she said he was looking at a packing card. If it did tell you then that would make some sense as to why cooper was checking out a packing card, if tosaw was telling the truth anyway and Tina really told him that.

A dummy reserve would not have a packing card to begin with.  The dummy reserve was junk and no rigger would sign a packing card for such a thing.

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« Reply #4355 on: June 25, 2020, 06:26:16 PM »
William J. Smith as a suspect

I thought I'd post my recent overview of William J Smith since I know I was a bit confused a year or two ago in the discussions of who was Smith, Dan LeClair, Dan E Clair, etc.

William J. Smith, my overview, June 2020

Another suspect to appear recently is William Smith, advocated by an individual who is known to me but chooses to call himself “Anonymous” in public because of his status as an active-duty US Army “data” analyst. This fellow has nothing to do with the “Anonymous” who penned a highly controversial op-ed piece in the New York Times in 2018 claiming that he was a senior White House official who was keeping President Donald Trump from doing anything really stupid.

Nevertheless, our Anonymous caught the Cooper bug in 2015 or so when he read Max Gunther’s book, DB Cooper – What Really Happened. The book is a tantalizing smorgasbord of Cooper clues and speculations, topped off by Gunther’s claims that the “facts” of the case were supplied in 1972 by a fellow calling himself Dan LeClair, who introduced himself as the real DB Cooper.

However, LeClair broke off communications with Gunther soon after. Nevertheless, Gunter, who was a professional journalist and fiction author, was contacted ten years later by a woman named “Clara.” She said she was the widow of Dan LeClair, and continued telling Gunther the family’s DB Cooper story.

Clara told Gunther that she was living in a cabin in LZ-A in November 1971 and had discovered DB Cooper hiding on her property, nursing a sprained ankle. She says she took care of Cooper and soon fell in love with him. Together, they laundered the money in Atlantic City casinos, eventually settling into a comfortable middle-class life in suburban New York.

When Gunther’s DBC book was published in 1985, it was given a fair amount of credibility based upon his reputation. FBI agent Ralph Himmelsbach acknowledged that he was aware of the book, but he told reporters that he thought most of Gunther’s book was “filler.” Subsequently, DB Cooper – What Really Happened was considered to be pure fiction by the current era by most DB Cooper aficionados.

But Anonymous wondered if any of it was true. He linked Gunther’s DBC character, “Dan LeClair” to the actual DB Cooper suspect Dan E. Clair, who was a skydiver in the summer of 1971 at the famous Elsinore Skydiving Center in California, renown as the site of alleged CIA recruiting and a favored locale for many DBC suspects.

When I spoke with Anonymous in 2017, we discussed the value of contacting Max Gunther’s children and learning if they had any of their father’s notes on his Cooper book. Unfortunately, Anonymous didn’t feel comfortable with that task and supposedly enlisted the help of another DB Cooper researcher and author, Marty Andrade. In addition, Doug Perry of the Oregonian also attempted to contact the children of Gunther in support of his reporting on the findings of Anonymous. However, no one was able to establish communication with any of Gunther’s descendants.

Digging deeper though, Anonymous came to the conclusion that Dan LeClair, or Dan E. Clair was not DB Cooper. Rather, Anonymous felt that the real DB Cooper was William J Smith, a life-long friend of Dan Clair. Anonymous feels that Smith used his friend’s identity to mask his communications with Max Gunther, and not only does Anonymous believe Smith is DB Cooper, Anonymous delivered his findings on Smith to the FBI in 2018.

Anonymous bases his claims on a personality profile of Smith, who besides being a gentleman, gained extensive aviation experience in WWII as a combat air crewman and reconnaissance photographer for the Navy. In addition, Smith is a dead-ringer for Composite sketch “B,” including the smirk. Further, Smith was 43 years-old in 1971, and had dark brown eyes and an olive complexion.

Key to Anonymous’ hypothesis is the fact that Clair and Smith worked together for years, especially as “yarders’ for the Penn Central Railroad, which is where Smith might have picked up the strange particles found on Cooper’s tie. Anonymous also feels that Smith’s railroad connections provided him with a superb means of escape after the skyjacking, as railroad tracks are ubiquitous across the United States. Also, riding the rails to freedom would be an absolutely sublime getaway, a notion held by many other Cooper researchers.

Lastly, Anonymous felt the downturn of the railroad industry in the 1960s and 1970s triggered a “grudge” and was the plausible motivation for DBC to hijack an aircraft.

But direct links to Flight 305, PDX, and Portland are thin. Other than an uncanny resemblance to the sketches and intriguing speculations on motive and getaways, most researchers do not consider William J Smith to be a strong candidate for DB Cooper.

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« Reply #4356 on: June 30, 2020, 10:27:54 AM »
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William J. Smith as a suspect

I thought I'd post my recent overview of William J Smith since I know I was a bit confused a year or two ago in the discussions of who was Smith, Dan LeClair, Dan E Clair, etc.

William J. Smith, my overview, June 2020

Another suspect to appear recently is William Smith, advocated by an individual who is known to me but chooses to call himself “Anonymous” in public because of his status as an active-duty US Army “data” analyst. This fellow has nothing to do with the “Anonymous” who penned a highly controversial op-ed piece in the New York Times in 2018 claiming that he was a senior White House official who was keeping President Donald Trump from doing anything really stupid.

Nevertheless, our Anonymous caught the Cooper bug in 2015 or so when he read Max Gunther’s book, DB Cooper – What Really Happened. The book is a tantalizing smorgasbord of Cooper clues and speculations, topped off by Gunther’s claims that the “facts” of the case were supplied in 1972 by a fellow calling himself Dan LeClair, who introduced himself as the real DB Cooper.

However, LeClair broke off communications with Gunther soon after. Nevertheless, Gunter, who was a professional journalist and fiction author, was contacted ten years later by a woman named “Clara.” She said she was the widow of Dan LeClair, and continued telling Gunther the family’s DB Cooper story.

Clara told Gunther that she was living in a cabin in LZ-A in November 1971 and had discovered DB Cooper hiding on her property, nursing a sprained ankle. She says she took care of Cooper and soon fell in love with him. Together, they laundered the money in Atlantic City casinos, eventually settling into a comfortable middle-class life in suburban New York.

When Gunther’s DBC book was published in 1985, it was given a fair amount of credibility based upon his reputation. FBI agent Ralph Himmelsbach acknowledged that he was aware of the book, but he told reporters that he thought most of Gunther’s book was “filler.” Subsequently, DB Cooper – What Really Happened was considered to be pure fiction by the current era by most DB Cooper aficionados.

But Anonymous wondered if any of it was true. He linked Gunther’s DBC character, “Dan LeClair” to the actual DB Cooper suspect Dan E. Clair, who was a skydiver in the summer of 1971 at the famous Elsinore Skydiving Center in California, renown as the site of alleged CIA recruiting and a favored locale for many DBC suspects.

When I spoke with Anonymous in 2017, we discussed the value of contacting Max Gunther’s children and learning if they had any of their father’s notes on his Cooper book. Unfortunately, Anonymous didn’t feel comfortable with that task and supposedly enlisted the help of another DB Cooper researcher and author, Marty Andrade. In addition, Doug Perry of the Oregonian also attempted to contact the children of Gunther in support of his reporting on the findings of Anonymous. However, no one was able to establish communication with any of Gunther’s descendants.

Digging deeper though, Anonymous came to the conclusion that Dan LeClair, or Dan E. Clair was not DB Cooper. Rather, Anonymous felt that the real DB Cooper was William J Smith, a life-long friend of Dan Clair. Anonymous feels that Smith used his friend’s identity to mask his communications with Max Gunther, and not only does Anonymous believe Smith is DB Cooper, Anonymous delivered his findings on Smith to the FBI in 2018.

Anonymous bases his claims on a personality profile of Smith, who besides being a gentleman, gained extensive aviation experience in WWII as a combat air crewman and reconnaissance photographer for the Navy. In addition, Smith is a dead-ringer for Composite sketch “B,” including the smirk. Further, Smith was 43 years-old in 1971, and had dark brown eyes and an olive complexion.

Key to Anonymous’ hypothesis is the fact that Clair and Smith worked together for years, especially as “yarders’ for the Penn Central Railroad, which is where Smith might have picked up the strange particles found on Cooper’s tie. Anonymous also feels that Smith’s railroad connections provided him with a superb means of escape after the skyjacking, as railroad tracks are ubiquitous across the United States. Also, riding the rails to freedom would be an absolutely sublime getaway, a notion held by many other Cooper researchers.

Lastly, Anonymous felt the downturn of the railroad industry in the 1960s and 1970s triggered a “grudge” and was the plausible motivation for DBC to hijack an aircraft.

But direct links to Flight 305, PDX, and Portland are thin. Other than an uncanny resemblance to the sketches and intriguing speculations on motive and getaways, most researchers do not consider William J Smith to be a strong candidate for DB Cooper.

I recommend anyone who wants to learn more about William Smith to check out the website that has been developed for him as a suspect.

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Some interesting stuff. Some of the coincidences are no doubt just nothing more than coincidences. But others definitely make you think. There's names and birthdays that match between Smith and his family and that of LeClair. A high school friend killed in WW2 named Dan Cooper. Neighbor of Smith's wife named Paul Cotton. A lot of interesting tie-ins between Smith and the book and then also with FBI docs released many years after the book. If you read the Gunther book (which is a pretty quick read) and then check out the website it's certainly interesting to think about all the connections. All the Cary Grant North by Northwest stuff is neat too. Also give a listen to Darren's podcast episode where he had "Anonymous" as a guest talking about William Smith. Good stuff.
 
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« Reply #4357 on: July 01, 2020, 12:58:16 PM »
I have talked and texted Anonymous on numerous occasions. I’ve read Max Gunthers book and also find it to be a very good read by a highly successful Author! So far I have found William Smith to be a suspect that has merit which most so called suspects have none ! I’d like Darren to do a follow up podcast featuring Anonymous as there are so many interesting coincidences in Max Gunthers book relating to William Smith.
 
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« Reply #4358 on: July 19, 2020, 02:38:58 AM »
This guy has been a lot of fun to look into.

I've always been intrigued by the idea that Cooper wore no eyeglasses, then sunglasses for the rest of the flights. If he was in his 40's, statistically he would likely have needed them.  One stew said she thought they were prescription shades. Still, why no glasses when he boarded?

Michael Ardis - Head of Teamsters Local 945 in NJ
Backed by Tony Provenzano (who later had a meeting with Hoffa the day Hoffa disappeared)
FBI had records showing Ardis was nervous over his predecessor going missing.
Ardis Disappeared 6/24/1971 amid IRS investigation.
Car abandoned at the union local office
*Eyeglasses found next to the car unbroken*

So much fun in this. Wish I had time like I did in April.
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« Reply #4359 on: July 19, 2020, 07:37:55 PM »
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This guy has been a lot of fun to look into.

I've always been intrigued by the idea that Cooper wore no eyeglasses, then sunglasses for the rest of the flights. If he was in his 40's, statistically he would likely have needed them.  One stew said she thought they were prescription shades. Still, why no glasses when he boarded?

Michael Ardis - Head of Teamsters Local 945 in NJ
Backed by Tony Provenzano (who later had a meeting with Hoffa the day Hoffa disappeared)
FBI had records showing Ardis was nervous over his predecessor going missing.
Ardis Disappeared 6/24/1971 amid IRS investigation.
Car abandoned at the union local office
*Eyeglasses found next to the car unbroken*

So much fun in this. Wish I had time like I did in April.
As person of a certain age - ahem - but who has been near-sighted since childhood, my experience has been that people my age who grow to need glasses later in life - and it does seem to be most people - need readers. If, like me, they have always had distance issues, they may need bifocals. I could travel without any glasses or contacts at all, but it's the near-sightedness that would slow me down more because everything would be very blurry, I'd have to get really close to see gate numbers, airline counter names, etc. The readers really only come out when I need to see fine print very close up and I'm already wearing contacts for the distance vision. If DB did only require readers, most of the trip could have been accomplished without them. But Alice did mention the sunglasses looked prescription to her, and they may well have been.
 

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« Reply #4360 on: July 19, 2020, 11:37:47 PM »
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This guy has been a lot of fun to look into.

I've always been intrigued by the idea that Cooper wore no eyeglasses, then sunglasses for the rest of the flights. If he was in his 40's, statistically he would likely have needed them.  One stew said she thought they were prescription shades. Still, why no glasses when he boarded?

Michael Ardis - Head of Teamsters Local 945 in NJ
Backed by Tony Provenzano (who later had a meeting with Hoffa the day Hoffa disappeared)
FBI had records showing Ardis was nervous over his predecessor going missing.
Ardis Disappeared 6/24/1971 amid IRS investigation.
Car abandoned at the union local office
*Eyeglasses found next to the car unbroken*

So much fun in this. Wish I had time like I did in April.
As person of a certain age - ahem - but who has been near-sighted since childhood, my experience has been that people my age who grow to need glasses later in life - and it does seem to be most people - need readers. If, like me, they have always had distance issues, they may need bifocals. I could travel without any glasses or contacts at all, but it's the near-sightedness that would slow me down more because everything would be very blurry, I'd have to get really close to see gate numbers, airline counter names, etc. The readers really only come out when I need to see fine print very close up and I'm already wearing contacts for the distance vision. If DB did only require readers, most of the trip could have been accomplished without them. But Alice did mention the sunglasses looked prescription to her, and they may well have been.

What was the basis for Alice's supposition? Weren't prescription sunglasses back then rather expensive?

[ Back in the 70s lenses for glasses were  made from Crown glass blanks in a lab by hand, not from plastic A5-22 molded blanks in an automated process which has cut the price drastically today. Prescription Sunglasses required special uniformly tinted scalar crown glass blanks which were pricey. If Cooper can afford prescription sun glasses why is he hijacking an airplane for money? ]

Jere's the Minneapolis based crew in their Star Trek uniforms ...  Alice far right.   Alice is talking. Notice the look on people's faces!  :D May the |...|  force be with you. Dont let facts stand in your way!

Oh! And Rataczak looks trim from his last marathon with Greg Larson, Tina's future husband. !  The force is with them.  |...|   ;)   

These people probably know prescription glasses when they see them ... jet setters. And to think Tina will soon be brainwashed and brain dead! While jet setting in Minnesota! People at Brainerd liked her and thought she was completely normal ... but we cant let a little thing like that hold up Tosaw-Cook-Calme-Smith reports to the contrary starting in 1986 when Toisaw has his brief 5 minute telephone interview with Tina Mucklow in the monastery 16 years after the hijacking! Tosaw ran immediately to a reporter. The media IS the message. |...|   

Here is Rataczak getting his MMA award for his lifelong support of marathons in MN.... Tina and Greg could not attend due to previous engagements with psychiatrists and witch doctors and MKULTRA HYDROPONIC BRAIN SURGEONS ....

No need for Cooper sleuths to answer ....  :)
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« Reply #4361 on: July 20, 2020, 12:57:43 AM »
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This guy has been a lot of fun to look into.

I've always been intrigued by the idea that Cooper wore no eyeglasses, then sunglasses for the rest of the flights. If he was in his 40's, statistically he would likely have needed them.  One stew said she thought they were prescription shades. Still, why no glasses when he boarded?

Michael Ardis - Head of Teamsters Local 945 in NJ
Backed by Tony Provenzano (who later had a meeting with Hoffa the day Hoffa disappeared)
FBI had records showing Ardis was nervous over his predecessor going missing.
Ardis Disappeared 6/24/1971 amid IRS investigation.
Car abandoned at the union local office
*Eyeglasses found next to the car unbroken*

So much fun in this. Wish I had time like I did in April.
As person of a certain age - ahem - but who has been near-sighted since childhood, my experience has been that people my age who grow to need glasses later in life - and it does seem to be most people - need readers. If, like me, they have always had distance issues, they may need bifocals. I could travel without any glasses or contacts at all, but it's the near-sightedness that would slow me down more because everything would be very blurry, I'd have to get really close to see gate numbers, airline counter names, etc. The readers really only come out when I need to see fine print very close up and I'm already wearing contacts for the distance vision. If DB did only require readers, most of the trip could have been accomplished without them. But Alice did mention the sunglasses looked prescription to her, and they may well have been.

What was the basis for Alice's supposition? Weren't prescription sunglasses back then rather expensive?

The stews in their Star Trek uniforms ...  Alice far right.   May the |...|  force be with you.

Prescription sunglasses in 1971 were not any more expensive, relatively speaking, than they are today. 

Note that each of the three cockpit crew members and the three cabin crew members have their arms folded across their chests.  This means that they have tuned out to whatever is going on.  And what is going on in that picture is the press conference that they had in Minneapolis on the evening of November 25th, 1971 (Thanksgiving Day) just after all of them returned from Portland.
 

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« Reply #4362 on: July 20, 2020, 01:29:13 AM »
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This guy has been a lot of fun to look into.

I've always been intrigued by the idea that Cooper wore no eyeglasses, then sunglasses for the rest of the flights. If he was in his 40's, statistically he would likely have needed them.  One stew said she thought they were prescription shades. Still, why no glasses when he boarded?

Michael Ardis - Head of Teamsters Local 945 in NJ
Backed by Tony Provenzano (who later had a meeting with Hoffa the day Hoffa disappeared)
FBI had records showing Ardis was nervous over his predecessor going missing.
Ardis Disappeared 6/24/1971 amid IRS investigation.
Car abandoned at the union local office
*Eyeglasses found next to the car unbroken*

So much fun in this. Wish I had time like I did in April.
As person of a certain age - ahem - but who has been near-sighted since childhood, my experience has been that people my age who grow to need glasses later in life - and it does seem to be most people - need readers. If, like me, they have always had distance issues, they may need bifocals. I could travel without any glasses or contacts at all, but it's the near-sightedness that would slow me down more because everything would be very blurry, I'd have to get really close to see gate numbers, airline counter names, etc. The readers really only come out when I need to see fine print very close up and I'm already wearing contacts for the distance vision. If DB did only require readers, most of the trip could have been accomplished without them. But Alice did mention the sunglasses looked prescription to her, and they may well have been.

What was the basis for Alice's supposition? Weren't prescription sunglasses back then rather expensive?

The stews in their Star Trek uniforms ...  Alice far right.   May the |...|  force be with you.

Prescription sunglasses in 1971 were not any more expensive, relatively speaking, than they are today. 

Note that each of the three cockpit crew members and the three cabin crew members have their arms folded across their chests.  This means that they have tuned out to whatever is going on.  And what is going on in that picture is the press conference that they had in Minneapolis on the evening of November 25th, 1971 (Thanksgiving Day) just after all of them returned from Portland.

So relatively speaking, optically ,, you knew Greg Larson, Tina's husband and their friends personally?

Are you a marathoner like Bill?   

Were Solderlind and the TAG group all brainwashed by MKULTRA too, like Tina and Greg and the crew ?

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« Reply #4363 on: July 20, 2020, 03:44:06 AM »
Tina's husband

His name was Allan, not Greg.

Not sure how you got mixed-up on that.
 

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« Reply #4364 on: July 20, 2020, 04:14:27 PM »
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Tina's husband

His name was Allan, not Greg.

Not sure how you got mixed-up on that.

Heads are spinning.  ;)

So, TELL ALL! Who is/was "Allan Larson" ? Obviously you have more you have never shared.  :D :D

Where did you get yours from?  The original source is Sluggo, then Snowmman repeating. See their comments below. Cook added that he had interviewed both Rataczak and "Tina's husband" ! Not sure at this moment if Cook gave a name or not... but you would know since Cook's remark probably came from you! ??

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Jo said "Sluggo posted an address and contact number for a Greg Larson who was supposedly the husband of Tina Mucklow. This was to the best of my knowledge not his research material."

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"believe that sometime around 1972 he married Tina Mucklow. They were divorced just a few years after. Shortly after that, Tina entered a cloister under the name of Sister Mary Alice Mucklow."

You know what's funny? the only place I found a reference for that story of Sluggo's was here:
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I wonder if he got it there. If so, it's pretty funny researching.
Although, I wonder if that site skimmed "Also known as:
Sister Mary Alice Mucklow" from some other place on the web.

It's all too funny. If I repeat it enough, skimmers will grab it from here and the myth will perpetuate.
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