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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4095 on: April 20, 2019, 09:57:12 AM »
I would guess McCoy went to Vegas to gamble. This habit might have been one of the causes of his financial distress.

What was the time stamps on the collect call and the gas receipt?

BTW, my family is from the southwest; back in the 60s and 70s going 100mph down the highway was the norm.
 
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« Reply #4096 on: April 20, 2019, 02:01:41 PM »
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BTW, my family is from the southwest; back in the 60s and 70s going 100mph down the highway was the norm.

I was also doing a lot of driving in the southwest in the 60s and 70s (and on to today) and going 100 MPH down the highway was not the "norm".

Some people did do that.  But in the state where I live the Highway Patrol had a contract with an auto manufacturer to put a lot of wear and tear on the manufacturer's products in a desert environment is a short time span.  The manufacturer provided the Highway Patrol with juiced up versions of some of their products that could do 140+ MPH.

The Highway Patrol seldom lost a race with a speeder.  Usually the speeder ended up losing control and spinning out, blowing an engine, or coming to his/her senses and stopping.  And at least some of those races did go up to 140 MPH.   

 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4097 on: April 20, 2019, 02:45:18 PM »
My family was in New Mexico, and I doubt they were outliers, but it's possible.
 

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« Reply #4098 on: April 20, 2019, 03:19:59 PM »
I seem to recall times when the police were out powered weapon wise and out powered vehicle wise. even the 90's showed them outgunned many times. the bank robbery in California televised showed they had peashooters against automatic weapons. the game has changed now with faster vehicles and superior firepower.
 
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« Reply #4099 on: April 20, 2019, 03:40:50 PM »
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I seem to recall times when the police were out powered weapon wise and out powered vehicle wise. even the 90's showed them outgunned many times. the bank robbery in California televised showed they had peashooters against automatic weapons. the game has changed now with faster vehicles and superior firepower.

You are correct.  In the California bank robbery case, the police initially had only their side arms and shotguns.  But a nearby gun store helped them out with better weapons.  The bank robbers, both were killed, had assault weapons and body armor.
 

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« Reply #4100 on: April 20, 2019, 03:43:17 PM »
SWAT also pulled up at the end if I recall correctly. they had automatic weapons.
 

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« Reply #4102 on: April 21, 2019, 11:38:09 AM »
I remember reading extensively about this case years ago.  Can't remember the source of their illegal full-automatic (machine gun) weapons--whether they were smuggled in or they converted them.  The reason that robbery ended up in the big shootout was they persevered even after several things went wrong.  A wiser criminal would have waved off and waited for a better opportunity another day.
 

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« Reply #4103 on: April 21, 2019, 12:19:55 PM »
The amount of firepower these guys had wasn't typical. it's like they had a death wish. they seem to have wanted to pick a fight. I don't believe they were concerned about success or failure. either one didn't matter. they both fought till the very end. one ran out of options having only a handgun and ended it himself.
 

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« Reply #4104 on: April 30, 2019, 01:07:18 AM »
I want to know what S Peterson's physical disabilities are and when he acquired them, where and at what age.

This should include any issues related to high altitude exposure, hearing loss, injuries suffered, . . .

The reasons should be obvious!
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4105 on: April 30, 2019, 07:19:39 AM »
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I want to know what S Peterson's physical disabilities are and when he acquired them, where and at what age.

This should include any issues related to high altitude exposure, hearing loss, injuries suffered, . . .

The reasons should be obvious!

Sheridan doesn't have any physical disabilities. He was an active skydiver until the age of 74. He put an ax into his foot as a smoke jumper which gave him some problems, and I believe his ankles were somewhat weak too. Nonetheless, nothing that would prohibit him from jumping in 1971 at the age of 44.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4106 on: May 14, 2019, 10:55:24 PM »
Just wanted to see what everyone's thoughts are on William (Bill) Smith as a suspect. There have been a couple mentions of him here but not a ton of conversation about him. I've read the blogs and listened to the podcasts. There's certainly some interesting stuff there. Anyone else have any thoughts on him?

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4107 on: May 15, 2019, 12:27:37 AM »
My top suspect is still the Unabomber.  :rofl:

Screw the description and facts! He looked older than he was.  :nono:

After resigning from Berkeley in 1969, Kaczynski moved to his parents' home in Lombard, Illinois, then two years later, in 1971, to a remote cabin he had built outside Lincoln, Montana, where he could live a simple life with little money and without electricity or running water,[43] working odd jobs and receiving some financial support from his family. His money soon ran out. He quickly set up a routine which included riding into Lincoln on his bicycle to haunt the village library, and the bus station - where he became a regular. He began taking bus trips to Missoula which became his access to the outside world. He was seen at the Missoula airport where he would sit watching airplanes coming and going - while taking meticulous notes and making sketches?

Between 1978 and 1995, Kaczynski mailed or hand-delivered a series of increasingly sophisticated bombs that cumulatively killed three people and injured 23 others, some severely. In all, 16 intricately made bombs were attributed to Kaczynski all via trips he made to Missoula.  His top targets were airlines and universities.

In response to her query as to why he had chosen a Northwest airplane to hijack, Cooper said ‘he had “a grudge but not against Northwest Airlines” adding ‘that the Northwest plane just happened to be in the right place at the right time’.

305 stopped at Missoula on its way to Portland!
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« Reply #4108 on: May 18, 2019, 03:52:27 PM »
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My top suspect is still the Unabomber.  :rofl:

Screw the description and facts! He looked older than he was.  :nono:

After resigning from Berkeley in 1969, Kaczynski moved to his parents' home in Lombard, Illinois, then two years later, in 1971, to a remote cabin he had built outside Lincoln, Montana, where he could live a simple life with little money and without electricity or running water,[43] working odd jobs and receiving some financial support from his family. His money soon ran out. He quickly set up a routine which included riding into Lincoln on his bicycle to haunt the village library, and the bus station - where he became a regular. He began taking bus trips to Missoula which became his access to the outside world. He was seen at the Missoula airport where he would sit watching airplanes coming and going - while taking meticulous notes and making sketches?

Between 1978 and 1995, Kaczynski mailed or hand-delivered a series of increasingly sophisticated bombs that cumulatively killed three people and injured 23 others, some severely. In all, 16 intricately made bombs were attributed to Kaczynski all via trips he made to Missoula.  His top targets were airlines and universities.

In response to her query as to why he had chosen a Northwest airplane to hijack, Cooper said ‘he had “a grudge but not against Northwest Airlines” adding ‘that the Northwest plane just happened to be in the right place at the right time’.

305 stopped at Missoula on its way to Portland!

R99 pans  Kaczynski but the facts are 305's schedule routed through Missoula including on the day of the hijacking, and Kaczynski had a relationship to Missoula in 1971. He may have known people there or knew like-minded people who also used Missoula as a transportation hub ... in 1971. Airlines and airline executives were on  Kaczynski's list of targets.  Kaczynski had a long stated grudge against the airlines. Cooper told Tina he had a grudge 'but not against your airlines'.  Kaczynsk was investigated for any connection to the Cooper case. People speculated that  Kaczynsk was DB Cooper, or might be somehow involved in the Cooper case.  Those are the facts. The relationship is a lot more tangible (factual) than most of the people brought forward in the DB Cooper case, and there have to be 302's related to  Kaczynski being investigated in the Cooper case by the FBI, which actually happened but at a later date than FOIA 302's covered in the Cooper case. A lengthy time period separates the Cooper investigation from when the Kaczynski started. But people wondered immediately if Kaczynski had had anything to do with the Cooper hijacking, once the Kaczynski investigation started. There "is" a historical record somewhere that connects both cases ...     

It is more tangible than any 'west path' R99 and Ulis have dreamed up ...    ;)

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« Reply #4109 on: May 18, 2019, 04:24:35 PM »
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My top suspect is still the Unabomber.  :rofl:

Screw the description and facts! He looked older than he was.  :nono:

After resigning from Berkeley in 1969, Kaczynski moved to his parents' home in Lombard, Illinois, then two years later, in 1971, to a remote cabin he had built outside Lincoln, Montana, where he could live a simple life with little money and without electricity or running water,[43] working odd jobs and receiving some financial support from his family. His money soon ran out. He quickly set up a routine which included riding into Lincoln on his bicycle to haunt the village library, and the bus station - where he became a regular. He began taking bus trips to Missoula which became his access to the outside world. He was seen at the Missoula airport where he would sit watching airplanes coming and going - while taking meticulous notes and making sketches?

Between 1978 and 1995, Kaczynski mailed or hand-delivered a series of increasingly sophisticated bombs that cumulatively killed three people and injured 23 others, some severely. In all, 16 intricately made bombs were attributed to Kaczynski all via trips he made to Missoula.  His top targets were airlines and universities.

In response to her query as to why he had chosen a Northwest airplane to hijack, Cooper said ‘he had “a grudge but not against Northwest Airlines” adding ‘that the Northwest plane just happened to be in the right place at the right time’.

305 stopped at Missoula on its way to Portland!

R99 pans  Kaczynski but the facts are 305's schedule routed through Missoula including on the day of the hijacking, and Kaczynski had a relationship to Missoula in 1971. He may have known people there or knew like-minded people who also used Missoula as a transportation hub ... in 1971. Airlines and airline executives were on  Kaczynski's list of targets.  Kaczynski had a long stated grudge against the airlines. Cooper told Tina he had a grudge 'but not against your airlines'.  Kaczynsk was investigated for any connection to the Cooper case. People speculated that  Kaczynsk was DB Cooper, or might be somehow involved in the Cooper case.  Those are the facts. The relationship is a lot more tangible (factual) than most of the people brought forward in the DB Cooper case, and there have to be 302's related to  Kaczynski being investigated in the Cooper case by the FBI, which actually happened but at a later date than FOIA 302's covered in the Cooper case. A lengthy time period separates the Cooper investigation from when the Kaczynski started. But people wondered immediately if Kaczynski had had anything to do with the Cooper hijacking, once the Kaczynski investigation started.     

It is more tangible than any 'west path' R99 and Ulis have dreamed up ...    ;)

Georger,

Engage your brain before reading further.

First, Cooper didn't say that he had a grudge against ANY airline.  He just said he didn't have a grudge against NWA.

Second, his statement about NWA 305 just being in the right place at the right time means only that it was in Portland at the time he wanted to initiate his hijacking.  Remember that he asked the ticket agent if the incoming flight was a 727.  In asking that question he was only confirming what he already knew from the flight schedules and was just checking to make sure than another type aircraft had not been substituted on that particular day.  And remember that the Portland to Seattle service with a 727 at that particular time had only started about three months earlier.

Cooper carried on a conversation and otherwise interacted with Tina and the other flight attendants for several hours in a very social manner.  It is highly unlikely that Kaczynski could not do that.  And there is no evidence whatsoever that Kaczynski had any aeronautical knowledge of consequence.

Dream on!