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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #7335 on: September 23, 2020, 01:45:51 PM »
NEWS  Tina Mucklow (and other crew members) specifically agree not to divulge information about the Hijacking to the public, but only to the FBI.

This finally dispels the myths promoted by Bruce Smith, Galen Cook, Richard Tosaw and others,  that Tina Mucklow could not remember facts about the Cooper case due to some mental condition! Mr. Smith's articles promoting this narrative are now thrown into the unreliable category.

Documents like the document attached below have been located for the other crew members. So there was a request that the crew members not talk to the public.   

 
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #7336 on: September 23, 2020, 04:55:18 PM »
Thanks, G. It's worth taking a look at.

SO, you're saying THAT'S why Tina slammed a door in my face? Because she was asked by the feddies not to talk with me?

Maybe, eh?
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #7337 on: September 23, 2020, 04:56:15 PM »
New Piece by Doug Perry

This one is a goodie - a slice of aviation life in 1971:

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #7338 on: September 23, 2020, 05:36:38 PM »
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NEWS  Tina Mucklow (and other crew members) specifically agree not to divulge information about the Hijacking to the public, but only to the FBI.

This finally dispels the myths promoted by Bruce Smith, Galen Cook, Richard Tosaw and others,  that Tina Mucklow could not remember facts about the Cooper case due to some mental condition! Mr. Smith's articles promoting this narrative are now thrown into the unreliable category.

Documents like the document attached below have been located for the other crew members. So there was a request that the crew members not talk to the public.

This information is a plausible explanation for Tina's silence, but does not refute what Calame said about her memory in his book.

I'll add the above 302 to my book as one reason why Tina has been so quiet.

It comports with what Bill Mitchell told me, as well. When he was leaving Sea-Tac on the night of, the feds told him to be careful with whom he spoke since the skyjacker was still at large, and Bill's safety might be in jeopardy.

However, the feds didn't tell him WHY talking to guys like me would put him at risk, which I find spurious. In fact, I would argue the opposite is true: the more people a witness talks to, the safer they are from the criminal and their efforts to silence them.

Nor do I see how witnesses talking to the media would jeopardize any prosecution. In fact, I say it is irresponsible for witnesses not to talk with media, because we are all safer the more we know about what happened in a crime. Waiting for LE's complete adjudication of a crime before we know the whole story is crazy.

Yes, I know that the rights of the accused must be protected, and to that end I do think it wise that LE and DAs refrain from giving specifics of a case before the conclusion of a trial.

So, when the FBI told Tina not to talk to the press, I claim it is because of their agenda to control the narrative for public relations purposes (and budgets), not to protect the witness from retribution, or to protect any future prosecution.

As for Tina's mental status, perhaps one day we'll have a better understanding of why she was in a long-term health care facility in Gresham in 1979. I doubt that the FBI really cared about that. In fact, Ralph Himmelsbach never visited her, apparently, to wish her well, according to his statements about how he handled Norjak and his primary witness.
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #7339 on: September 23, 2020, 06:02:02 PM »
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NEWS  Tina Mucklow (and other crew members) specifically agree not to divulge information about the Hijacking to the public, but only to the FBI.

This finally dispels the myths promoted by Bruce Smith, Galen Cook, Richard Tosaw and others,  that Tina Mucklow could not remember facts about the Cooper case due to some mental condition! Mr. Smith's articles promoting this narrative are now thrown into the unreliable category.

Documents like the document attached below have been located for the other crew members. So there was a request that the crew members not talk to the public.

I received the following from Galen:


On 9/23/2020 11:37 AM, galen cook wrote:

> Had to laugh at Georger (see his post today at the Forum).  FBI should
> arrest Anderson, Hancock, Schaffner and Mucklow for talking to me.  6
> hrs of interview time with each of the above, except Mucklow.......who
> I had 1 hr. of face time with.  If course... ......Bruce Smith did
> pretty well too.  Oh well, so much for Georger's myth busting.

Addition:
Six hours of interview time with Rataczak too.
Thanks.
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #7340 on: September 23, 2020, 11:42:01 PM »
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NEWS  Tina Mucklow (and other crew members) specifically agree not to divulge information about the Hijacking to the public, but only to the FBI.

This finally dispels the myths promoted by Bruce Smith, Galen Cook, Richard Tosaw and others,  that Tina Mucklow could not remember facts about the Cooper case due to some mental condition! Mr. Smith's articles promoting this narrative are now thrown into the unreliable category.

Documents like the document attached below have been located for the other crew members. So there was a request that the crew members not talk to the public.

I received the following from Galen:


On 9/23/2020 11:37 AM, galen cook wrote:

> Had to laugh at Georger (see his post today at the Forum).  FBI should
> arrest Anderson, Hancock, Schaffner and Mucklow for talking to me.  6
> hrs of interview time with each of the above, except Mucklow.......who
> I had 1 hr. of face time with.  If course... ......Bruce Smith did
> pretty well too.  Oh well, so much for Georger's myth busting.

Addition:
Six hours of interview time with Rataczak too.
Thanks.

Georger's myth busting ?  You cant even get this simple fact straight! You boys are always looking for an angle.   :)
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« Reply #7341 on: September 26, 2020, 12:30:56 AM »
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NEWS  Tina Mucklow (and other crew members) specifically agree not to divulge information about the Hijacking to the public, but only to the FBI.

This finally dispels the myths promoted by Bruce Smith, Galen Cook, Richard Tosaw and others,  that Tina Mucklow could not remember facts about the Cooper case due to some mental condition! Mr. Smith's articles promoting this narrative are now thrown into the unreliable category.

Documents like the document attached below have been located for the other crew members. So there was a request that the crew members not talk to the public.

I received the following from Galen:


On 9/23/2020 11:37 AM, galen cook wrote:

> Had to laugh at Georger (see his post today at the Forum).  FBI should
> arrest Anderson, Hancock, Schaffner and Mucklow for talking to me.  6
> hrs of interview time with each of the above, except Mucklow.......who
> I had 1 hr. of face time with.  If course... ......Bruce Smith did
> pretty well too.  Oh well, so much for Georger's myth busting.

Addition:
Six hours of interview time with Rataczak too.
Thanks.

And the rest of the story is: none of it published, documented, no books promised ..................  not even documentation of Galen's claim about two kids finding pieces of Cooper bills on Tina Bar prior to the Ingram find.

Galen didnt even seem too informed about Tosaw's work prior to 2013, the year Galen and Tosaw had their magnum opus searching the Columbia for Cooper fossils? Tosaw didnt get started searching Tina Bar and the Columbia amid a flurry of newspaper advertising, until 2+ years after the Ingram find in 1980, when others flooded the area with searching (1980-1985) ? Galen and Tosaw didnt get together until about 2013 ... 23 years after the central discovery at Tina Bar! ?   

Galen socalled 'science team' turned out to be one guy peddling reverse tidal flow to Tina Bar from the Lewis River - which was debunked after the guy was located and interviewed, then reversed his claims stating it was all a misunderstanding?

So far there is a lot of advertising by Bruce and Cook about Cook's work but thats about it. Galen has appeared on late night talk shows, when the rest of the World is asleep. 

What or whom has Galen's prodigious NORJAK work benefited?

The whole world awaits Galen Cook's important work on NORJAK !  ;)
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #7342 on: September 26, 2020, 11:22:11 AM »
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NEWS  Tina Mucklow (and other crew members) specifically agree not to divulge information about the Hijacking to the public, but only to the FBI.

One could assume this would be basic procedure soon after a crime. I doubt the intentions were to be a permanent one..
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #7343 on: September 26, 2020, 03:45:41 PM »
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NEWS  Tina Mucklow (and other crew members) specifically agree not to divulge information about the Hijacking to the public, but only to the FBI.

One could assume this would be basic procedure soon after a crime. I doubt the intentions were to be a permanent one..

Each individual seems to have handled it differently. Anderson and Scott barely ever went public. Hancock and Flo the same. Rataczak developed a relationship with Tosaw around 1980?  Anderson worked with the AF TAG team team. Flo and Tina continued to look at suspect photos and answer FBI questions for years but stayed away from the press. Tina and the Lab (processing prints) play a decisive role in eliminating suspects for at least three years or more. Cultists become convinced Tina is the key to the case and begin to target her with negative results! . . .       
 

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« Reply #7344 on: September 26, 2020, 07:47:28 PM »
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NEWS  Tina Mucklow (and other crew members) specifically agree not to divulge information about the Hijacking to the public, but only to the FBI.

One could assume this would be basic procedure soon after a crime. I doubt the intentions were to be a permanent one..

Each individual seems to have handled it differently. Anderson and Scott barely ever went public. Hancock and Flo the same. Rataczak developed a relationship with Tosaw around 1980?  Anderson worked with the AF TAG team team. Flo and Tina continued to look at suspect photos and answer FBI questions for years but stayed away from the press. Tina and the Lab (processing prints) play a decisive role in eliminating suspects for at least three years or more. Cultists become convinced Tina is the key to the case and begin to target her with negative results! . . .       

Each person will obviously be different...

Anderson was the flight engineer so he would be the one to ask to ride along.
Scott has hardly said anything from day one..
Tina would be considered the main witness spending the most time with Cooper..how can someone expect positive results from this. does she have to ID a photo even if it's not Cooper. I don't follow the "negative" agenda?

I just got back from a friends house where a shooting occurred while we were outside and some kids were seen speeding through the street and several people yelled at them to slow down. he came back a couple minutes later and open fired on a car where people were standing..nobody was hit..they had a 32 caliber semi auto. I found and marked 5 of the shells on the ground. you could even tell he was moving since the shells were spread apart up the street. it was less than a hundred feet away from where we were standing. it was a early model blue civic with damage to the front passenger side. a pickup truck pulled out and went after them but came back empty. it's a sad world we live in when you can't tell someone to slow down in a residential area.
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« Reply #7345 on: September 26, 2020, 10:03:09 PM »
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I just got back from a friends house where a shooting occurred while we were outside and some kids were seen speeding through the street and several people yelled at them to slow down. he came back a couple minutes later and open fired on a car where people were standing..nobody was hit..they had a 32 caliber semi auto. I found and marked 5 of the shells on the ground. you could even tell he was moving since the shells were spread apart up the street. it was less than a hundred feet away from where we were standing. it was a early model blue civic with damage to the front passenger side. a pickup truck pulled out and went after them but came back empty. it's a sad world we live in when you can't tell someone to slow down in a residential area.

Good thing no one got hurt, that must have been a fright.
 

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« Reply #7346 on: September 26, 2020, 10:17:58 PM »
A small SUV was parked on the side of the road. someone was inside and that's where he fired. two shots are in the right front passenger fender and one on the hood that looks like is bounced off making no hole in the hood. the holes in the car looked large for the caliber of the bullet. I was surprised seeing the small shell casings on the ground. I think the bullets went in from the front which would make a bigger hole than straight forward. you hear gunshots close by and seconds later a car speeding away makes it hard to catch a tag number. kids were outside at the time. that's what sparked the whole thing yelling at them to slow down. this is a fool with no respect for anything. sadly, it's not uncommon either.
 

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« Reply #7347 on: September 26, 2020, 10:38:30 PM »
I was working at a bar back in the early 90's..we had a lot of fights but nothing like the one where a guy was shot and killed by an off duty Miami cop. he was a regular there and a heavy drinker. he had no business doing what he did. the guy died right in front of me. I took my shirt off to try and stop the bleeding but it was coming out like a fountain. he was shot just right of his groin hitting his femoral atery. I remember a lady cop running from across the street (donut shop) holding her gun above me shaking like a leaf. lots more to the story but that's about all I will write about it..the article is still online..

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« Reply #7348 on: September 29, 2020, 11:58:40 AM »
Let me be the first to say Happy 71st Birthday to the Mayor of Cooperville, Bruce Smith. Cheers!
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« Reply #7349 on: September 29, 2020, 01:34:23 PM »
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I was working at a bar back in the early 90's..we had a lot of fights but nothing like the one where a guy was shot and killed by an off duty Miami cop. he was a regular there and a heavy drinker. he had no business doing what he did. the guy died right in front of me. I took my shirt off to try and stop the bleeding but it was coming out like a fountain. he was shot just right of his groin hitting his femoral atery. I remember a lady cop running from across the street (donut shop) holding her gun above me shaking like a leaf. lots more to the story but that's about all I will write about it..the article is still online..

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Isn't there a Hooter's there now? I have had plenty of wings and beers there before heading south to the stadium for football games. It's about 20 minutes due east of my home.