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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #7305 on: September 12, 2020, 07:17:16 PM »
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I agree with R99. The Fazios have little threat from fire. Smoke is the big problem. Tina Bar is registering 250 on the WAQA scale, which ranges from 0-500. Bad, but livable with masks and air purifiers.

However, about 70 miles upstream at The Dalles, they are pegging at 500, which is Get OUTTA Dodge time."

Currently, I'm at about 250 in Eatonville, and Tacoma is 325. Kerm is about 240 or so, 25 miles north of Woodland. Nature is quiet. Nothing is stirring. Not even insects. A heavy, grey-brown fog is everywhere. The smell in the air is variable. One whiff was aromatic, like a heavy cedar campfire. Most of the time it smells like burning garbage, or burning 2x4's with paint on them. Fortunately, the heat has passed. Currently it is about 68 degrees. Last night was quite chilly. A little rain is forecasted for Seattle on Monday, and the system will push the smoke eastwards. Good for us. Bad for Spokane.

I have a friend in Ashland, Oregon - near the California border - and haven't heard from him in a couple of days. I understand those folks have been ordered to evacuate. Ashland-Medford. Not sure where they would go, though.

As for Portland, Oregon, even though they are the ONLY city in the United States that has a National Forest within the city limits, it is small and I don't think Portland is at risk for fire. Again. It's all about smoke at this point. Maybe a couple brush fires along the Interstates, rail lines, etc., but that is all easily containable.

Wow Bruce,
This smoke seems worse today here than yesterday ! Forest Park by the way which lies within the Portland City limits is huge.
It is over 5000 forested acres ! However there are no fires really anywhere within Portland City limits. The fires are more East of Portland in Clackamas County and of course all over the rest of the state. I agree with others that there’s no real fire danger anywhere close to Tina Bar. Stay safe !
 

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« Reply #7306 on: September 12, 2020, 07:20:01 PM »
Still raining here. too bad I can't send it...we have a depression right over us dumping rain for several days. some heavy..
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #7307 on: September 12, 2020, 08:18:32 PM »
Thanks for the update on the NF in Portland, Kerm. I didn't realize it was 5,000 acres. I thought it was hundreds.

I've received a video from my friend in Ashland, Oregon, which is far south of Cooper Country and is only a few miles from the California border. The towns of Talent and Phoenix, Oregon are just north of him and are being reported to have been totally blitzed - but that is not the case. The fires have been very selective. Sections of Talent are burnt to the ground, but just across the street everything is fine. It looks very similar to the kinds of destruction one sees in TV coverage of tornado damage. 100% over here, 0% over there. A link to the video is below.

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The smoke here in Eatonville continues today. We have the "Orange skies" that 377 has been living with down in SF. The smoke is mostly from Cal and OR and has blown out to sea, mixed there with moist fog, and now has blown inland over the PNW. It's weird. Downright chilly. 48 degrees this morning when I got up, with orange-grey fog that I can't breathe. Current WAQA readings are 270, which is dangerous.

Down in Ariel/Vancouver the situation is much worse. 350+. So, there is no way I can get down to the Ariel Store to see about DBC memorabilia. I ain't even driving to the grocery store, even with a respirator.

Rain is forecasted for Monday night in the PNW. Oregon will see some of it. But it's not gonna be much. Tops 0.1 inch of rain for Seattle. But it's a start. Calif is gonna have to wait.
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #7308 on: September 12, 2020, 09:51:28 PM »
 

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« Reply #7309 on: September 12, 2020, 11:41:49 PM »
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Thanks for the update on the NF in Portland, Kerm. I didn't realize it was 5,000 acres. I thought it was hundreds.

I've received a video from my friend in Ashland, Oregon, which is far south of Cooper Country and is only a few miles from the California border. The towns of Talent and Phoenix, Oregon are just north of him and are being reported to have been totally blitzed - but that is not the case. The fires have been very selective. Sections of Talent are burnt to the ground, but just across the street everything is fine. It looks very similar to the kinds of destruction one sees in TV coverage of tornado damage. 100% over here, 0% over there. A link to the video is below.

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The smoke here in Eatonville continues today. We have the "Orange skies" that 377 has been living with down in SF. The smoke is mostly from Cal and OR and has blown out to sea, mixed there with moist fog, and now has blown inland over the PNW. It's weird. Downright chilly. 48 degrees this morning when I got up, with orange-grey fog that I can't breathe. Current WAQA readings are 270, which is dangerous.

Down in Ariel/Vancouver the situation is much worse. 350+. So, there is no way I can get down to the Ariel Store to see about DBC memorabilia. I ain't even driving to the grocery store, even with a respirator.

Rain is forecasted for Monday night in the PNW. Oregon will see some of it. But it's not gonna be much. Tops 0.1 inch of rain for Seattle. But it's a start. Calif is gonna have to wait.

Not one word about any of it on the Weather Channel - Weather Underground. They are focused on pending hurricanes in the south east.
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #7310 on: September 12, 2020, 11:56:45 PM »
Analysis of Jack Coffelt as a suspect and Byron H. Brown as an investigator

After a few days of reading and consultations with Nat, I have an understanding of the Coffelt story. Here's what I've got, excerpted from the book.

After John List, the second ex-con investigated by the FBI was Bryant “Jack” Coffelt, a long-time criminal who died in 1975, but seemed to have an uncanny knowledge of the Cooper skyjacking. During the late 1940s and early 1950’s, Coffelt served a stint for auto theft in the Atlanta Penitentiary, where he met a former Air Force pilot named James Brown. Coffelt and Brown became best friends and were released in 1952 and 1955, respectively. After their release, Brown followed the straight-and-narrow and became an engineer and started a family. Coffelt in turn, gave up robbery and put his energies towards Big Cons in Las Vegas and Washington, D.C.
 
In 1974, Coffelt called Brown and enticed him to go on a road trip to Mount Hood, Oregon to look for DB Cooper’s money. Coffelt also insisted that James bring his 19 year-old son, Byron, since Coffelt was 57 years-old and he felt they needed some young blood to search the wilderness. The elder Brown agreed.

In the summer of 1974, James and Byron left their home in Georgia, picked up Coffelt in his old hometown of Joplin, Missouri, and headed to Oregon. Along the way, Coffelt confessed to being DB Cooper. However, he refrained from answering too many questions from the Browns, who were certainly curious, but increasingly felt concerned that they might be arrested for assisting in the skyjacking after-the-fact.

For a few weeks they scoured the eastern slopes of Mount Hood. They found the burnt remnants of a parachute that Coffelt said he had torched with a magnesium mixture upon landing, but they didn’t find the money. Coffelt said he had placed the ransom inside a large plastic bag, then with cords cut from the reserve chute he cinched the top of the container closed and then made a sling, which he looped over his shoulder. However, when his parachute opened violently the green sack slipped off his shoulder and was lost in the forest below.

As they searched, the tensions between Coffelt and James Brown escalated and Coffelt left abruptly, but not before he told the Browns that he had three accomplices who might be also looking for the money. The next day, two pick-up trucks roared into their campsite west of Friend, Oregon, and the Browns quickly left.

However, in 1983 Byron published a lengthy magazine article about their adventure in the Las Vegan Magazine. He also included years-worth of research on Jack Coffelt and Norjak, and in 1977 made another trip back to Oregon to check-out details of Coffelt’s story. Bryon found the huge searchlight that Coffelt said was manned by one of the accomplices that was positioned in a cabin in the Pine Hollow Resort about twenty miles south of Mt. Hood. Coffelt said that he had instructed Flight 305 to head towards the search light, thus putting him on a predictable flight path. Coffelt also said that he had stashed a jeep in the woods with provisions and medical supplies, but Byron was unable to locate it.

Nevertheless, Bryon was able to confirm from the local Sheriff’s Department that unexplained burnings of hay bales had occurred at the edge of the foothills of Mount Hood during the skyjacking period. That aligned with the story Coffelt told that a second accomplice was burning bales to outline the LZ in the westernmost wheat fields west of Friend. Byron also found several residents of Friend, OR and the Pine Hollow area who remember seeing Coffelt in the area during the 1971-1972 period, when Coffelt said that he had begun looking for his lost loot.

In addition, Byron says he interviewed Tina Mucklow, Florence Schaffner, and passenger George Labissoniere. Florence confirmed the 1974 photos of Coffelt that Byron showed her, exclaiming: “Oh my God! Where did you get those? I never thought I would see that face again. It’s him! My God, it’s him.”

George Labissoniere not only confirmed the 1974 pictures of Coffelt to be Cooper, but also an earlier photo from a stint in the Leavenworth Penitentiary. In fact, when Byron showed him the picture, Labissoniere said that the FBI had showed him the same photograph six weeks after the skyjacking. So, the FBI had an eyewitness confirmation to DB Cooper by the end of 1971, but no official records are available to these claims.

Byron also writes that Florence confirmed many of strange details of the skyjacking that Coffelt told the Browns in 1974, but are in stark contrast to the official narrative, such as Cooper wearing white gloves during the skyjacking, and putting on hiking boots before he jumped. Florence also claimed that she, not Tina, spent the majority of time during the skyjacking with DB Cooper. Byron also says that Tina confirmed the Coffelt details when he spoke with her in 1977 in San Diego.

Byron also writes that Coffelt told him in 1974 that he threw out $5,000 worth of bills before he jumped because they didn’t fit into his plastic green bag. Coffelt said that he tossed the bundles out the door somewhere near a dam on the Columbia that he could see by its lights. Byron assumes those are the money bundles that Brian Ingram found eight years later at Tina Bar.

But the whole narrative is too hard to swallow, and suggests that Jack Coffelt was conning the Browns, or that Byron Brown added his own con to Jack’s initial one. Currently Byron Brown is impossible to locate, and Florence and Tina aren’t talking at all.

Additionally, Coffelt was dismissed by the FBI, according to Ralph Himmelsbach. “We were certain that Coffelt was not Cooper, and that an opportunist was trying “to score,’ without any basis in fact,” wrote Himmelsbach in NORJAK, giving early notice to the presence of the Vortex.

 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #7311 on: September 13, 2020, 12:01:11 AM »
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Analysis of Jack Coffelt as a suspect and Byron H. Brown as an investigator

After a few days of reading and consultations with Nat, I have an understanding of the Coffelt story. Here's what I've got, excerpted from the book.

After John List, the second ex-con investigated by the FBI was Bryant “Jack” Coffelt, a long-time criminal who died in 1975, but seemed to have an uncanny knowledge of the Cooper skyjacking. During the late 1940s and early 1950’s, Coffelt served a stint for auto theft in the Atlanta Penitentiary, where he met a former Air Force pilot named James Brown. Coffelt and Brown became best friends and were released in 1952 and 1955, respectively. After their release, Brown followed the straight-and-narrow and became an engineer and started a family. Coffelt in turn, gave up robbery and put his energies towards Big Cons in Las Vegas and Washington, D.C.
 
In 1974, Coffelt called Brown and enticed him to go on a road trip to Mount Hood, Oregon to look for DB Cooper’s money. Coffelt also insisted that James bring his 19 year-old son, Byron, since Coffelt was 57 years-old and he felt they needed some young blood to search the wilderness. The elder Brown agreed.

In the summer of 1974, James and Byron left their home in Georgia, picked up Coffelt in his old hometown of Joplin, Missouri, and headed to Oregon. Along the way, Coffelt confessed to being DB Cooper. However, he refrained from answering too many questions from the Browns, who were certainly curious, but increasingly felt concerned that they might be arrested for assisting in the skyjacking after-the-fact.

For a few weeks they scoured the eastern slopes of Mount Hood. They found the burnt remnants of a parachute that Coffelt said he had torched with a magnesium mixture upon landing, but they didn’t find the money. Coffelt said he had placed the ransom inside a large plastic bag, then with cords cut from the reserve chute he cinched the top of the container closed and then made a sling, which he looped over his shoulder. However, when his parachute opened violently the green sack slipped off his shoulder and was lost in the forest below.

As they searched, the tensions between Coffelt and James Brown escalated and Coffelt left abruptly, but not before he told the Browns that he had three accomplices who might be also looking for the money. The next day, two pick-up trucks roared into their campsite west of Friend, Oregon, and the Browns quickly left.

However, in 1983 Byron published a lengthy magazine article about their adventure in the Las Vegan Magazine. He also included years-worth of research on Jack Coffelt and Norjak, and in 1977 made another trip back to Oregon to check-out details of Coffelt’s story. Bryon found the huge searchlight that Coffelt said was manned by one of the accomplices that was positioned in a cabin in the Pine Hollow Resort about twenty miles south of Mt. Hood. Coffelt said that he had instructed Flight 305 to head towards the search light, thus putting him on a predictable flight path. Coffelt also said that he had stashed a jeep in the woods with provisions and medical supplies, but Byron was unable to locate it.

Nevertheless, Bryon was able to confirm from the local Sheriff’s Department that unexplained burnings of hay bales had occurred at the edge of the foothills of Mount Hood during the skyjacking period. That aligned with the story Coffelt told that a second accomplice was burning bales to outline the LZ in the westernmost wheat fields west of Friend. Byron also found several residents of Friend, OR and the Pine Hollow area who remember seeing Coffelt in the area during the 1971-1972 period, when Coffelt said that he had begun looking for his lost loot.

In addition, Byron says he interviewed Tina Mucklow, Florence Schaffner, and passenger George Labissoniere. Florence confirmed the 1974 photos of Coffelt that Byron showed her, exclaiming: “Oh my God! Where did you get those? I never thought I would see that face again. It’s him! My God, it’s him.”

George Labissoniere not only confirmed the 1974 pictures of Coffelt to be Cooper, but also an earlier photo from a stint in the Leavenworth Penitentiary. In fact, when Byron showed him the picture, Labissoniere said that the FBI had showed him the same photograph six weeks after the skyjacking. So, the FBI had an eyewitness confirmation to DB Cooper by the end of 1971, but no official records are available to these claims.

Byron also writes that Florence confirmed many of strange details of the skyjacking that Coffelt told the Browns in 1974, but are in stark contrast to the official narrative, such as Cooper wearing white gloves during the skyjacking, and putting on hiking boots before he jumped. Florence also claimed that she, not Tina, spent the majority of time during the skyjacking with DB Cooper. Byron also says that Tina confirmed the Coffelt details when he spoke with her in 1977 in San Diego.

Byron also writes that Coffelt told him in 1974 that he threw out $5,000 worth of bills before he jumped because they didn’t fit into his plastic green bag. Coffelt said that he tossed the bundles out the door somewhere near a dam on the Columbia that he could see by its lights. Byron assumes those are the money bundles that Brian Ingram found eight years later at Tina Bar.

But the whole narrative is too hard to swallow, and suggests that Jack Coffelt was conning the Browns, or that Byron Brown added his own con to Jack’s initial one. Currently Byron Brown is impossible to locate, and Florence and Tina aren’t talking at all.

Additionally, Coffelt was dismissed by the FBI, according to Ralph Himmelsbach. “We were certain that Coffelt was not Cooper, and that an opportunist was trying “to score,’ without any basis in fact,” wrote Himmelsbach in NORJAK, giving early notice to the presence of the Vortex.

Got any prints and dna to share?
 

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« Reply #7312 on: September 13, 2020, 12:06:05 AM »
There are extensive documents in the FBI files relating to Coffelt, and reading them it is very clear the FBI eliminated him as a suspect... definitively.
 

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« Reply #7313 on: September 13, 2020, 12:07:56 AM »
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There are extensive documents in the FBI files relating to Coffelt, and reading them it is very clear the FBI eliminated him as a suspect... definitively.

Yep so why the Bruce Smith conferee now? This is 2020! Or the New-new-new re-analysis of Tina Mucklow in 2020!?
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« Reply #7314 on: September 13, 2020, 03:02:33 AM »
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There are extensive documents in the FBI files relating to Coffelt, and reading them it is very clear the FBI eliminated him as a suspect... definitively.

Can you tell me where, Marty? I'd like to see them. Thanks.
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #7315 on: September 13, 2020, 03:29:22 AM »
Smoke Update, Saturday Midnight

Conditions are worsening. I'm at 280, up from 230 at mid-day. Seattle is at 301 currently. But Cle Elum - Walter Reca Country - hit 500 tonight.

In the heart of Cooper Country, folks are struggling. Vancouver is 426. Yacolt, where Tom McDowell lives, is 387.

But an intrepid Cooperite named Byron traveled to the Ariel Store today. He said the smoke was worse than his home in Olympia, but the Woodruffs are proceeding with their estate sale. No memorabilia is for sale, and Byron reports that they are saving it for whomever buys the store. But the estate sale continues tomorrow, Sunday. It's hard to imagine who can function in this smoke.
 

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« Reply #7316 on: September 13, 2020, 01:11:09 PM »
I see a 325 READING In Yacolt and a 404 reading in parts of Vancouver, wa. I’m staying here where it’s smoky but nowhere near that bad !
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #7317 on: September 13, 2020, 07:23:31 PM »
Cooper Country Smoke Update - 4 pm

Conditions continue to deteriorate. Vancouver is at 500, and Kerm's Yacolt reading of 325 is now 425. I'm at 305 in Eatonville. Folks without air purifiers are struggling mightily. My friend in Olympia, at 300, is just in a tough situation - eyes burning, etc.
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« Reply #7318 on: September 14, 2020, 01:29:20 AM »
Fly, I'm not "wrong" about anything...I stated the other day that I didn't believe he stole anything. that's different from saying "he didn't steal anything" it left the door open because I don't know. you need to discuss this with the person involved. that would be Eric Ulis. Dave Brown doesn't have Eric's material or does he have yours..this was discussed several days ago and out of nowhere it's gas lighted again..

I find it rather hypocritical to publicly go to another site (TMN) and post against that person after stating you won't publicly debate that person in a recent post. these are public forums and when you challenge theories it's also considered debating..Is it really fair for you to continue to call him out when you don't want to confront him head on in a phone conference he challenged anyone too? I believe he named you specifically.  debate, challenge, counter etc. all the same. this is all counter productive...
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #7319 on: September 14, 2020, 08:20:58 AM »
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