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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5310 on: August 28, 2020, 07:46:22 PM »
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I believe McCoy went back the next day...

Remember these critical factors concerning McCoy vs Cooper:

1) McCoy successfully landed in his intended LZ. Cooper likely did not.

2) McCoy had no immediate need to worry about being pegged as the hijacker. Cooper, on the other hand, left his tie and tie clip onboard. He would have certainly been concerned about that fact.

3) McCoy got caught because he was reckless--talked about it in advance and hid the money in his closet. Cooper, on the other hand, got away. Put another way, Richard Floyd McCoy was no DB Cooper.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5311 on: August 28, 2020, 07:48:46 PM »
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I don't believe Cooper, if he needed to get back close to the area would have any trouble, especially at night. he would blend right in with everyone else. he went unnoticed walking for 8 miles plus right after it happened and nobody seen him.

I agree. He could have gone back to Tena Bar at anytime. However, he would have been concerned that he was a suspect considering he left his tie and tie clip on the jet, and if he had been an employee of Boeing.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5312 on: August 28, 2020, 07:55:56 PM »
I'm giving a typical response surrounding criminals while you seem to know what Cooper would do personally vs typical..he had the balls to do the crime in the first place. I doubt having to dance around them on the ground would scare him off. we have no idea why he even did this other than speculation..is it plausible, sure...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5313 on: August 28, 2020, 08:01:45 PM »
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I'm giving a typical response surrounding criminals while you seem to know what Cooper would do personally vs typical..he had the balls to do the crime in the first place. I doubt having to dance around them on the ground would scare him off. we have no idea why he even did this other than speculation..is it plausible, sure...

I'm putting myself in Cooper's shoes. I'm asking: What would I do?

DB Cooper was not a typical criminal. He's a very rare breed who got away with it.

I've discussed this fact with 377 multiple times. While we understand well how the criminal mind works, all of this knowledge is the by-product of studying the minds of those who got caught. On the other hand, we really don't understand the criminal minds of those who didn't get caught nearly as well. After all, they're not around to study.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5314 on: August 28, 2020, 08:02:09 PM »
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2) McCoy had no immediate need to worry about being pegged as the hijacker. Cooper, on the other hand, left his tie and tie clip onboard. He would have certainly been concerned about that fact.

Nothing would be able to link him to that tie in 1971 unless he purchased it days before and somewhere close to the crime. I think a lot of people know prints can't be lifted off of fabric in 1971..neither one had any worries of being ID'd that quick unless they opened there mouth as McCoy did.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5315 on: August 28, 2020, 08:05:13 PM »
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DB Cooper was not a typical criminal

That doesn't exclude one from making mistakes or acting or thinking as a criminal which he indeed was..
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« Reply #5316 on: August 28, 2020, 08:10:52 PM »
Taking risks is a big part of being a criminal..McCoy helped look for himself in a helicopter, went back got the money and went downhill from there...Cooper put his life on the line in the hijacking and the jump..I just don't believe he would be intimidated enough to wait on them to stop searching outside the area where he planted the money...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5317 on: August 28, 2020, 08:15:44 PM »
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2) McCoy had no immediate need to worry about being pegged as the hijacker. Cooper, on the other hand, left his tie and tie clip onboard. He would have certainly been concerned about that fact.

Nothing would be able to link him to that tie in 1971 unless he purchased it days before and somewhere close to the crime. I think a lot of people know prints can't be lifted off of fabric in 1971..neither one had any worries of being ID'd that quick unless they opened there mouth as McCoy did.

How could he be certain that they couldn't lift a fingerprint off of the tie clip? Or, that the authorities don't put both the tie and tie clip on TV asking if anyone recognizes them?
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5318 on: August 28, 2020, 08:18:31 PM »
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How could he be certain that they couldn't lift a fingerprint off of the tie clip? Or, that the authorities don't put both the tie and tie clip on TV asking if anyone recognizes them?

Even as a kid back then I knew that..

They didn't put any evidence on TV that Cooper apparently would be watching if he wants to get back in the area, no? he already knows flooding is coming....
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5319 on: August 28, 2020, 08:24:25 PM »
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How could he be certain that they couldn't lift a fingerprint off of the tie clip? Or, that the authorities don't put both the tie and tie clip on TV asking if anyone recognizes them?

Even as a kid back then I knew that..

They didn't put any evidence on TV that Cooper apparently would be watching if he wants to get back in the area, no? he already knows flooding is coming....

I don't understand the question.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5320 on: August 28, 2020, 08:42:56 PM »
I knew as a kid prints can't be lifted off of fabric...

If Cooper was worried about evidence being shown he would of noticed it reading the newspaper, radio or television while getting info on the flooding..

McNally, this guy landed and heard the helicopters and went to sleep under the canopy..he was a known criminal and did certain things typical of one...so did McCoy who wasn't a criminal..they can all be smart and do things that are not rational...the crime itself for one...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5321 on: August 28, 2020, 08:49:23 PM »
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I knew as a kid prints can't be lifted off of fabric...


I'm not talking about lifting fingerprints off of the tie. I'm talking about lifting a print off of the tie clip.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5322 on: August 28, 2020, 08:55:35 PM »
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I knew as a kid prints can't be lifted off of fabric...


I'm not talking about lifting fingerprints off of the tie. I'm talking about lifting a print off of the tie clip.

My guess would be it's too small to get any type of print to match..partials are hard enough..this would be super small..I think he knew it wasn't a problem leaving it behind...the bomb would have much more to explore and link him to the crime...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5323 on: August 28, 2020, 09:44:17 PM »
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I knew as a kid prints can't be lifted off of fabric...


I'm not talking about lifting fingerprints off of the tie. I'm talking about lifting a print off of the tie clip.

My guess would be it's too small to get any type of print to match..partials are hard enough..this would be super small..I think he knew it wasn't a problem leaving it behind...the bomb would have much more to explore and link him to the crime...

Keep in mind that in the 1971 time frame, prints had to be matched by humans and that required a lot of time.  And unless the FBI could make some guesses as to the "population" that Cooper came from, he might never be identified even if he was caught in some other matter.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5324 on: August 29, 2020, 12:08:19 AM »
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I knew as a kid prints can't be lifted off of fabric...


I'm not talking about lifting fingerprints off of the tie. I'm talking about lifting a print off of the tie clip.

After 48 years the only option would be Optical coherence tomography or something like it. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
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