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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2535 on: January 12, 2017, 12:58:49 PM »
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100% certain that it isn't a pilot chute for a personnel parachute. It's similar but not identical to flare parachutes I have seen and also similar to radiosonde (weather balloon transmitter) chutes I have seen. It has nothing to do with DBC. Wrong type, not spring loaded, too small.

I loaned all the DBC 727 scene chutes (NB 8 main and 2 reserves) seen in the Josh Gates Travel Channel production, free of charge. Also spoke with the staff about why I thought the DBC jump was survivable.

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Ive always been curious why Tosaw didn't opt for an R99 type theory and search inland in the Shillapoo area. I guess his theory was 'sooner or later everything flows into the river' ?
 
 

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« Reply #2536 on: January 12, 2017, 01:12:14 PM »
Also Tosaw's rake was a pretty inefficient/ineffective retrieval device. A beam trawl You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login would have worked a lot better and covered far more area, but the Fish and Game cops probably wouldn't like that even with really big net mesh spacing. There are some H U G E sturgeon in the Columbia River.

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2537 on: January 12, 2017, 02:20:07 PM »
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100% certain that it isn't a pilot chute for a personnel parachute. It's similar but not identical to flare parachutes I have seen and also similar to radiosonde (weather balloon transmitter) chutes I have seen. It has nothing to do with DBC. Wrong type, not spring loaded, too small.

I loaned all the DBC 727 scene chutes (NB 8 main and 2 reserves) seen in the Josh Gates Travel Channel production, free of charge. Also spoke with the staff about why I thought the DBC jump was survivable.

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Ive always been curious why Tosaw didn't opt for an R99 type theory and search inland in the Shillapoo area. I guess his theory was 'sooner or later everything flows into the river' ?

Unfortunately, what falls east of the NW Lower River Road (which is built on the top of a levee) flows into the Columbia River, by way of Lake River, about 15 to 20 miles downstream from Tina Bar.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2538 on: January 21, 2017, 10:14:44 PM »
I purchased four 1969 series one dollar bills for the testing....
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2539 on: January 24, 2017, 10:57:21 AM »
My work takes me to some interesting places sometimes. I knew when the first job I went on took me 5800 feet underneath Lake Erie into a salt mine that I was going to see some interesting things. Yesterday I went to South Carolina and got to spend a couple of hours on the Glenn Edwards, which is the largest dredging vessel in the U.S.

In speaking to a couple of the guys on that boat, I walked away more sure than ever that the Cooper money that was found at Tina Bar could have survived in tact coming through a dredge. These guys definitely had seen a lot of different things come through. This, of course, isn't anything that we didn't already know, but I thought I'd share. 
 
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2540 on: January 24, 2017, 04:09:24 PM »
Typically they talk about metal objects.....The pump is just a pump,  not a fan blade. With water, or slurry running through the pipes should of protected it to some extent...

The lack of any other locations bothers me for this theory....
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« Reply #2541 on: January 24, 2017, 09:07:24 PM »
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Typically they talk about metal objects.....The pump is just a pump,  not a fan blade. With water, or slurry running through the pipes should of protected it to some extent...

The lack of any other locations bothers me for this theory....

What is interesting is the FBI agent mentioned to Bruce that they found a briefcase (or part, can't recall) and then Bruce questioned it and the FBI agent recanted.. IMO, the FBI agent wouldn't make a claim like that unless it happened, I bet it was just not public and he forgot so he walked it back..

If so, the money could have gone through the dredge in the suitcase protected (or part of it) and ended up intact on the sand.

and that might explain why the FBI stuck to the dredge theory.. if they found a briefcase (or part) but never made it public
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2542 on: January 24, 2017, 09:24:58 PM »
That has been confirmed as an inaccurate statment...
 

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« Reply #2543 on: January 24, 2017, 10:17:20 PM »
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That has been confirmed as an inaccurate statment...

Yes, I know, I said that he walked it back.. IMO, he was telling the truth but forgot it wasn't public info so he had to walk it back. 

Which is more likely, an FBI agent saying something that was completely untrue or an FBI agent saying something that was true but not made public.

I can't see an FBI agent making a statement that BIG if it were completely false. It doesn't make sense.

There is no way money can go through a dredge intact and stacked unless in some container. Yet, the FBI stuck to the dredge theory. They must be holding something back. Either no dredge at all, or the money went through in a container..

"The bills appeared to be in the same wrapping as when they were turned over to Cooper the night of the hijack- ing, the FBI said. The bills were partly faded but the serial numbers could be made out and matched those on a list of the $20 bills given Cooper. They were sent to the FBI laboratory in Washington for further study."


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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2544 on: January 24, 2017, 11:45:44 PM »
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That has been confirmed as an inaccurate statment...

Yes, I know, I said that he walked it back.. IMO, he was telling the truth but forgot it wasn't public info so he had to walk it back. 

Which is more likely, an FBI agent saying something that was completely untrue or an FBI agent saying something that was true but not made public.

I can't see an FBI agent making a statement that BIG if it were completely false. It doesn't make sense.

There is no way money can go through a dredge intact and stacked unless in some container. Yet, the FBI stuck to the dredge theory. They must be holding something back. Either no dredge at all, or the money went through in a container..

"The bills appeared to be in the same wrapping as when they were turned over to Cooper the night of the hijack- ing, the FBI said. The bills were partly faded but the serial numbers could be made out and matched those on a list of the $20 bills given Cooper. They were sent to the FBI laboratory in Washington for further study."


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Total nonsense and the link doesn't work after hours.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2545 on: January 25, 2017, 12:16:24 AM »
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That has been confirmed as an inaccurate statment...

Yes, I know, I said that he walked it back.. IMO, he was telling the truth but forgot it wasn't public info so he had to walk it back. 

Which is more likely, an FBI agent saying something that was completely untrue or an FBI agent saying something that was true but not made public.

I can't see an FBI agent making a statement that BIG if it were completely false. It doesn't make sense.

There is no way money can go through a dredge intact and stacked unless in some container. Yet, the FBI stuck to the dredge theory. They must be holding something back. Either no dredge at all, or the money went through in a container..

"The bills appeared to be in the same wrapping as when they were turned over to Cooper the night of the hijack- ing, the FBI said. The bills were partly faded but the serial numbers could be made out and matched those on a list of the $20 bills given Cooper. They were sent to the FBI laboratory in Washington for further study."


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Total nonsense and the link doesn't work after hours.
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A lead FBI investigator makes a 100% false and fabricated statement about what would be a major piece of evidence then walks it back when reminded that is new news, doubt it..
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2546 on: January 25, 2017, 01:26:20 AM »
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That has been confirmed as an inaccurate statment...

Yes, I know, I said that he walked it back.. IMO, he was telling the truth but forgot it wasn't public info so he had to walk it back. 

Which is more likely, an FBI agent saying something that was completely untrue or an FBI agent saying something that was true but not made public.

I can't see an FBI agent making a statement that BIG if it were completely false. It doesn't make sense.

There is no way money can go through a dredge intact and stacked unless in some container. Yet, the FBI stuck to the dredge theory. They must be holding something back. Either no dredge at all, or the money went through in a container..

"The bills appeared to be in the same wrapping as when they were turned over to Cooper the night of the hijack- ing, the FBI said. The bills were partly faded but the serial numbers could be made out and matched those on a list of the $20 bills given Cooper. They were sent to the FBI laboratory in Washington for further study."


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Total nonsense and the link doesn't work after hours.
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A lead FBI investigator makes a 100% false and fabricated statement about what would be a major piece of evidence then walks it back when reminded that is new news, doubt it..

Read the thread.

Otherwise Im tired of correcting this rumor Bruce Smith started.

Believe what you want.

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2547 on: January 25, 2017, 03:48:13 AM »
It is not a rumor, it is only a report on what SA Dorwin Schreuder told me.

Now, what exactly did Dorwin mean when he told me about finding a part of a cloth briefcase? Was is a false memory? He did say that his memory might be off because of his age, but he never displayed any faulty thinking in the rest of our interview or in later conversations.

Was his comment about his memory and age just a clever way to "walk back" a truth that no one is supposed to know about publicly? Maybe.

Or was it a true "senior moment?" Maybe.

Was Dorwin absolutely truthful with Georger a few years ago when G quizzed D on the briefcase and other matters pertaining to T-Bar and D said that there was no briefcase? Maybe.

But consider this: Dorwin is a super nice guy. He's the only FBI agent to invite me to his house. He spoke at length on multiple occasions about T-Bar and our conversations are what I would consider "normal." Most of my discussions/interviews with other FBI agents are stilted, scripted, or done in a guarded manner.

Also, Dorwin's grandson has written a story about Dorwin's career as an FBI agent. It's over 400 pages and only one page deals with T-Bar and Cooper. Further, the grandson writes that Dorwin left the FBI shortly after his stint in the Portland office, and he attributed D's departure as a response to the friction Dorwin had to deal with in the Portland office, most of which was triggered by Dorwin being the T-Bar PIO and then later taking over the Portland Norjak op from Himmelsbach when Ralph retired in 1980. The grandson also intimates that Dorwin had grown disenchanted with the Bureau, so retirement appeared very attractive.

So, read the tea leaves and make your own judgment. And as always - Georger, kiss my ass...
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That has been confirmed as an inaccurate statment...

Yes, I know, I said that he walked it back.. IMO, he was telling the truth but forgot it wasn't public info so he had to walk it back. 

Which is more likely, an FBI agent saying something that was completely untrue or an FBI agent saying something that was true but not made public.

I can't see an FBI agent making a statement that BIG if it were completely false. It doesn't make sense.

There is no way money can go through a dredge intact and stacked unless in some container. Yet, the FBI stuck to the dredge theory. They must be holding something back. Either no dredge at all, or the money went through in a container..

"The bills appeared to be in the same wrapping as when they were turned over to Cooper the night of the hijack- ing, the FBI said. The bills were partly faded but the serial numbers could be made out and matched those on a list of the $20 bills given Cooper. They were sent to the FBI laboratory in Washington for further study."


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Total nonsense and the link doesn't work after hours.
 :))     

A lead FBI investigator makes a 100% false and fabricated statement about what would be a major piece of evidence then walks it back when reminded that is new news, doubt it..

Read the thread.

Otherwise Im tired of correcting this rumor Bruce Smith started.

Believe what you want.

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The dredge theory always had a major flaw.
Since there is NO WAY that money went through a dredge "uncontained" and landed on the beach "intact", why would the dredge theory be so elevated at the expense of other theories? << I always thought this was very odd..

Answer, The FBI had some other nonpublic evidence to support it.. I suspected that before the FBI agent's "walked back" statement.

An FBI agent making up a piece of evidence is like somebody making up a child that never existed, it isn't just misspeaking, confusing a term or word..

but irrelevant to a solve,

We need to put somebody on that plane and that can only be done with DNA or fingerprints.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2549 on: January 25, 2017, 11:42:54 AM »
Dredge theory is very possible...It's a major suspect to the money. Divers have favored this theory, agents, lots of people have sided with the dredge. I'm not sold on it but can hardly exclude it.