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[Shutter]

Little windy in Texas....

LIVE CAMERA OF THE HURRICANE..HEARING REPORTS OF IT POSSIBLY BEING A CAT 4...VERY NASTY STORM...

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NEWS! Abkhazia Alma (yeti) "Zana" case cracked - using dna. Her genome turned out to be 100% sub Saharan; not Neanderthal related at all!. The age and purity of her early rare genome suggests she was a lingering survivor of a very early group that originally migrated out of Africa then settled in the remote area of northern Abkhazia, Russia, who was thought to be extinct and may have never mixed with modern humans! This region is known to have supported late Neanderthal populations. This breakthrough research suggests other Yeti claims could be explained by similar early migrations of sub Saharan populations, settling in remote areas of the world: ancestors of those populations could have hung on but never mixed lasting into the modern epoch - so goes the theory.

Was Cooper an Abkhazian Almas who settled early in the northwest?  Perhaps he was the child of one returning to his roots? Hopefully Colbert will find Cooper dna at his excavation and settle the issue once and for all! 

[georger]

Boot scan? Just shined em for tomorrow's jumps.

Shutter sounds like an old DOS hand, if he is old enough to be one. 

Jumping tomorrow at Tracy CA. Temps forecasted to hit 105F. Ugh...

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But it should be a cool 90-95 degrees at 14,000 feet, no?

Currently a wonderful 75 degrees in Cooper Country, not a cloud in the sky...ahhh...

...and no smoke, too!

Need a favour - others are watching for your reply.

Can you publish again for us the full passenger list that 'got off the plane at SEA'. How many Coopers were there? Two - correct? Was the other Cooper accounted for?

Will wait for your answer.

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Passenger List:                  Source:
1.   Almstead, Jack                  Symposium
2.   Andvik, Arnold “Andy”               Karen Truitt
3.   Clouse, Ray, D.                  Symposium
4.   Connors, Helen, Mrs.               Symposium
5.   Connelly, Lavonne               Symposium
6.   Cooper, Dan                  DB Cooper
7.   Cooper, Michael               Symposium
8.   Cummings, Lynn               Symposium
9.   Cummings, Mrs.               Symposium
10.   Cummings, Robert               Symposium
11.   Donahoe, Patrick               Karen
12.   Feingold, Larry, prosecutor            GG
13.   Gregory, Robert, B.                Sluggo, website
14.   House, Nancy, (seat 15, GG)            Sluggo
15.   Minsch, Patrick, heavy equip operator         GG
16.   Jensen, W.P.                  Symposium
17.   Keats, William                  Symposium
18.   Kloepfer, Mrs.                  Symposium
19.   Kunata, George, steel importer from Japan      GG
20.   Labissoniere, George, attorney            Sluggo
21.   Loughton Mr.                  Jo Weber *
22.   MacPherson, Bill               Richard Tosaw, book
23.   MacPherson, Scott, “son” (?)            RT
24.   McDonald, Cliff, A. real estate sales         GG
25.   Menendez, A.                  GG
26.   Michelson, Dennis               Symposium
27.   Minsch, Patrick, heavy equip operator         GG
28.   Mitchell, “Bill,” William               RT
29.   Murphey, W. J.                  Symposium
30.   Pollart, Les                  GG
31.   Rice, Daniel                  Symposium
32.   Simmons, Barbara, Mrs.               GG, book
33.   Simmons, Richard               GG
34.   Street, Charles “Charlie”            Karen
35.   Truitt, Allen B                  Karen
36.   Weitzel, Mr.                  Symposium
37.   Wornstaff, J. R.                  Symposium
38.   Zrim Spreckel, print shop owner            Sluggo

*From 2011 Symposium, (Seattle Times):
*Jo Weber says a passenger not included on the early lists, a smokejumper named Loughton.
 She says the FBI kept his name off the list.

[Bruce A. Smith]

Passengers

Here is my current list, as of 2015, based upon my understanding of FBI 302s, and GG's book and website.


Flight 305 Passenger List – 35, plus hijacker



NAME                        ORIGINATION

1. Almstad, Jack                        Great Falls
2. Andvik, Arnold                     Missoula
3. Clause, Roy, D.                     Missoula
4. Conley, Lavonne                     Missoula
5. Connors, Mrs. Helen                  Missoula
6. Cooper, Michael                     Missoula
7. Cummings, Mrs. Adele                  Great Falls
8. Cummings, Lynn                     Great Falls
9. Cummings, Robert                     Great Falls
10. Donahoe, Raymond                  Missoula
11. Finegold, Larry                     PDX
12. Jensen, Wesley, P.                  Spokane
13. Keats, William                     Minneapolis
14. Kloepher, Floyd                     Great Falls
15. Kurata, George                     PDX
16. Mac Donald, Clifford Austin               PDX
17. Mac Pherson, Scott                  Spokane
18. Mac Pherson, William                  Spokane
19. Menendez, Adrian                     PDX
20. Mikelson, Dennis                     Great Falls
21. Minsch, Patrick                     PDX
22. Murphy, William, J                  Great Falls
23. Pollart, Les                        PDX
24. Rice, Daniel                        Great Falls
25. Simmons, Barbara                  PDX
26. Simmons, Richard                     PDX
27. Truitt, Alan, B.                     Missoula
28. Street, Charles                     Missoula
29. Weitzel, Paul (part of the MacPherson party)      Spokane
30. Wornstaff, James, R                  PDX

Additional, the Core-Five who spoke with the FBI because of their involvement with the hijacker:
1. Robert Gregory                     PDX
2. Nancy House                        PDX
3. George Labissioniere                  PDX
4. Bill Mitchell                        PDX
5. Cord Harms Spreckel                  PDX
6. DAN COOPER                             PDX

It is my observation that most passenger lists are incorrect. Certainly the list published in the Seattle Times in 1971 and presented by Abracadabra at the Portland Symposium is incorrect. Also, Sluggo's is flawed, and most certainly Jo Weber's assertion that a smokejumper by the name of Loughton was aboard 305 is not factual. In addition, there is a document touted as the actual NWO flight manifest - on a NWO letterhead - that I believe is inaccurate, as well, and thus is counterfeit.

Note: Most lists claim that the MacPherson party had two certain individuals - Scott MacPherson and S. MacPherson (son), as on the Seattle Times compendium. But these individuals are one and same person. Further, Scott MacPherson was the son of William MacPherson, and was sitting next to him up in the forward part of the cabin. I spoke with Scott in 2015, and he was very chatty in giving me a description of his family's participation in the event. Scott and his father were accompanied by an employee of William's real estate development firm, Paul Weitzel, who has been unresponsive to interview requests..

Besides Scott MacPherson, I have spoken with Jack Almstad, Bill Mitchel, Mike Cooper, and Larry Finegold. I have also spoken with Karen Pruitt, who confirmed and expanded her father's account - Alan B Truitt, who was traveling with three colleagues: Andy Andvik, Charlie Street, and Pat Donahoe.

Jack Almstad was living in Livermore, California when I spoke with him circa 2011. I believe he is now deceased, as his phone is disconnected.

Larry Finegold is living in Israel and Seattle, and is generally available for comment.

Bill Mitchell, although initially very good-natured and good-humored, turned adversarial 24 hours later for reasons that are unknown to me. He refuses all contact, but he talks with Tom Colbert, and gave an extensive interview to the WSHM in 2013. He also appeared on-camera for the History Channel docu in 2016. His recollections of the events of November 24, 1971 are often in conflict with the statements of other passengers - but in alignment with the flight attendants - leading me to believe that he is part of a spin job created by NWO in the early hours of the skyjacking.

In contrast, Mike Cooper is a very honest and thorough individual. He is completely transparent on his activities before, during and after. Because of his name, he was a prime suspect in the first few days of the investigation, and was fired from his teaching job at a high school in Missoula due to FBI pressure. He was later reinstated, and talks publicly about his experiences. He lives in on the Olympic Peninsula.

Additionally, here is the estimated location of certain passengers during the flight. According to most passengers, they stayed in their seats until final approach to Sea-Tac, in stark contrast to the FA's account, and Bill Mitchell's. These positionings are not definitive, but are based upon recollections, 302s, and statements to me that are often in conflict.

1. William and Scott MacPherson, left side, Row 2
2. Paul Weitzel, right side, Row 2
3. Floyd Kloepfer, right side, Row 3
4. Larry Finegold, left side, row 6
5. Barbara and Richard Simmons, right side, Row 6
6. Drunk passenger in cowboy hat, (Row 7-9?)
7. Passenger in uniform, (Row 7-10?)
8. Jack Almstad, left side, Row 8.
9. George Labissioniere and Les Pollart, left side, Row 12
10. Nancy House, right side Row 15
11. Mike Cooper, left side Row 17
12. Cord Harm Spreckel, right side, Row 17
13. Bill Mitchell, Robert Gregory, left side Row 18
14. DBC, right side Row 18

[georger]

Passengers

Here is my current list, as of 2015, based upon my understanding of FBI 302s, and GG's book and website.


Flight 305 Passenger List – 35, plus hijacker



NAME                        ORIGINATION

1. Almstad, Jack                        Great Falls
2. Andvik, Arnold                     Missoula
3. Clause, Roy, D.                     Missoula
4. Conley, Lavonne                     Missoula
5. Connors, Mrs. Helen                  Missoula
6. Cooper, Michael                     Missoula
7. Cummings, Mrs. Adele                  Great Falls
8. Cummings, Lynn                     Great Falls
9. Cummings, Robert                     Great Falls
10. Donahoe, Raymond                  Missoula
11. Finegold, Larry                     PDX
12. Jensen, Wesley, P.                  Spokane
13. Keats, William                     Minneapolis
14. Kloepher, Floyd                     Great Falls
15. Kurata, George                     PDX
16. Mac Donald, Clifford Austin               PDX
17. Mac Pherson, Scott                  Spokane
18. Mac Pherson, William                  Spokane
19. Menendez, Adrian                     PDX
20. Mikelson, Dennis                     Great Falls
21. Minsch, Patrick                     PDX
22. Murphy, William, J                  Great Falls
23. Pollart, Les                        PDX
24. Rice, Daniel                        Great Falls
25. Simmons, Barbara                  PDX
26. Simmons, Richard                     PDX
27. Truitt, Alan, B.                     Missoula
28. Street, Charles                     Missoula
29. Weitzel, Paul (part of the MacPherson party)      Spokane
30. Wornstaff, James, R                  PDX

Additional, the Core-Five who spoke with the FBI because of their involvement with the hijacker:
1. Robert Gregory                     PDX
2. Nancy House                        PDX
3. George Labissioniere                  PDX
4. Bill Mitchell                        PDX
5. Cord Harms Spreckel                  PDX
6. DAN COOPER                             PDX

It is my observation that most passenger lists are incorrect. Certainly the list published in the Seattle Times in 1971 and presented by Abracadabra at the Portland Symposium is incorrect. Also, Sluggo's is flawed, and most certainly Jo Weber's assertion that a smokejumper by the name of Loughton was aboard 305 is not factual. In addition, there is a document touted as the actual NWO flight manifest - on a NWO letterhead - that I believe is inaccurate, as well, and thus is counterfeit.

Note: Most lists claim that the MacPherson party had two certain individuals - Scott MacPherson and S. MacPherson (son), as on the Seattle Times compendium. But these individuals are one and same person. Further, Scott MacPherson was the son of William MacPherson, and was sitting next to him up in the forward part of the cabin. I spoke with Scott in 2015, and he was very chatty in giving me a description of his family's participation in the event. Scott and his father were accompanied by an employee of William's real estate development firm, Paul Weitzel, who has been unresponsive to interview requests..

Besides Scott MacPherson, I have spoken with Jack Almstad, Bill Mitchel, Mike Cooper, and Larry Finegold. I have also spoken with Karen Pruitt, who confirmed and expanded her father's account - Alan B Truitt, who was traveling with three colleagues: Andy Andvik, Charlie Street, and Pat Donahoe.

Jack Almstad was living in Livermore, California when I spoke with him circa 2011. I believe he is now deceased, as his phone is disconnected.

Larry Finegold is living in Israel and Seattle, and is generally available for comment.

Bill Mitchell, although initially very good-natured and good-humored, turned adversarial 24 hours later for reasons that are unknown to me. He refuses all contact, but he talks with Tom Colbert, and gave an extensive interview to the WSHM in 2013. He also appeared on-camera for the History Channel docu in 2016. His recollections of the events of November 24, 1971 are often in conflict with the statements of other passengers - but in alignment with the flight attendants - leading me to believe that he is part of a spin job created by NWO in the early hours of the skyjacking.

In contrast, Mike Cooper is a very honest and thorough individual. He is completely transparent on his activities before, during and after. Because of his name, he was a prime suspect in the first few days of the investigation, and was fired from his teaching job at a high school in Missoula due to FBI pressure. He was later reinstated, and talks publicly about his experiences. He lives in Sequim, WA.

Great! You answered my questions without even asking! Thanks!!

BTW: Dan Cooper asked the ticket agent what kind of plane was coming - 727 ?  Had he been Michael Cooper who boarded at Missoula/Spokan he would have known. Did the plane stop at Spokane as per schedule between Missoula and Portland?

 

[Bruce A. Smith]

I believe that 305 stopped in Spokane as scheduled. Usually, G, I defer to guys like you on questions like this!

As I understand Flight 305's itinerary, it went like this:

1. Washington, DC.
2. Minneapolis - crew change.
3. Missoula, MT
4. Great Falls, MT
5. Spokane, WA
6. Portland, OR
7. Seattle, WA

[georger]

I believe that 305 stopped in Spokane as scheduled. Usually, G, I defer to guys like you on questions like this!

As I understand Flight 305's itinerary, it went like this:

1. Washington, DC.
2. Minneapolis - crew change.
3. Missoula, MT
4. Great Falls, MT
5. Spokane, WA
6. Portland, OR
7. Seattle, WA

Thats the route/stops I have. All as per the published schedule effective at the time - re Snowmman 2009.

[georger]

NEWS FLASH - ESCAPADE BOOKS of SEATTLE - WILL CLOSE ITS DOORS AND SHUTTER ITS INTERNET WINDOWS ON SEPTEMBER 1ST EARTH TIME! ITS A JOINT DECISION BY THE ECSTASY BOARD IN CONTROL, says their post. Gorka is also out at @PRETEND.COM the site that nuked Cooperland for a decade.

No comment so far from Being Sea Gold at Nome or natives in the Aamazon.

[Shutter]

NEWS FLASH - ESCAPADE BOOKS of SEATTLE - WILL CLOSE ITS DOORS AND SHUTTER ITS INTERNET WINDOWS ON SEPTEMBER 1ST EARTH TIME! ITS A JOINT DECISION BY THE ECSTASY BOARD IN CONTROL, says their post. Gorka is also out at @PRETEND.COM the site that nuked Cooperland for a decade.

No comment so far from Being Sea Gold at Nome or natives in the Amazon.

Yeah, Okay, and then a week later he will decide to open it again.....this is like what, 5-6th time?

[georger]

NEWS FLASH - ESCAPADE BOOKS of SEATTLE - WILL CLOSE ITS DOORS AND SHUTTER ITS INTERNET WINDOWS ON SEPTEMBER 1ST EARTH TIME! ITS A JOINT DECISION BY THE ECSTASY BOARD IN CONTROL, says their post. Gorka is also out at @PRETEND.COM the site that nuked Cooperland for a decade.

No comment so far from Being Sea Gold at Nome or natives in the Amazon.

Yeah, Okay, and then a week later he will decide to open it again.....this is like what, 5-6th time?

did you say 50th or 60th? That would be more correct. It will all depend on which way the breeze is blowing. 

Talked to relatives in SanAntonio and near Houston today. Its ok at SanAntonio but not ok at Houston as everyone knows. Help is assembling in this State and will arrive asap. My 97 year old uncle at Kerrville is ok but he's pissed that he cant go out and help like he wants!   

current radar

[Bruce A. Smith]

All the best to those stuck in Houston. Sad to see so many without adequate preparation. Looks like even Houston and state officials got caught short. The scenes on the news looks like our own Dunkirk. I suppose it was a failure to imagine what unprecedented and catastrophic would look like. A lesson for all, I suppose.

[Shutter]

the lesson to be learned here is to the city officials  who in there right mind would not have a mandatory evacuation on the coastline? Katrina was right next door and yet they learned nothing! so many people think this is like last minute Christmas shopping. they need to put the cellphones down and get the things they need in order to survive. a hurricane is not a game, it doesn't discriminate, it hates everyone!

If I told you I was coming to your house (with a gun) to kill you would you wait till I pulled into the driveway before calling the police?

[Robert99]

the lesson to be learned here is to the city officials  who in there right mind would not have a mandatory evacuation on the coastline? Katrina was right next door and yet they learned nothing! so many people think this is like last minute Christmas shopping. they need to put the cellphones down and get the things they need in order to survive. a hurricane is not a game, it doesn't discriminate, it hates everyone!

If I told you I was coming to your house (with a gun) to kill you would you wait till I pulled into the driveway before calling the police?

Shutter, you are 100 percent correct.  Any 12-year-old Boy Scout knows that he has to "Be Prepared" (to quote the Scout motto).

[georger]

the lesson to be learned here is to the city officials  who in there right mind would not have a mandatory evacuation on the coastline? Katrina was right next door and yet they learned nothing! so many people think this is like last minute Christmas shopping. they need to put the cellphones down and get the things they need in order to survive. a hurricane is not a game, it doesn't discriminate, it hates everyone!

If I told you I was coming to your house (with a gun) to kill you would you wait till I pulled into the driveway before calling the police?

But nobody anticipated the extent of this!

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Georger wrote: "But nobody anticipated the extent of this (TX megastorm)"

And nobody anticipated this back in the thick ice days:

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Not sure they are connected to a common cause, but I wonder. Your thoughts G? I do respect your opinion on scientific matters.

Jumped at a boogie (skydive meet) at Tracy CA last Sat with a big attendance. Showed TCs foam and fabric pics to a few riggers. None could opine on possible rig origin just from pics. Said you'd need weave metrics, thread composition identified, and further testing. Nobody knew much about foam, back pads are not tended to much unless snaps come off. Nobody cuts them open.

Here is a video of me last Saturday, landing with a full payload of ham radio gear on front pack. One of our ham jumpers operated on 20M SSB (14.320 MHz) and got 11 contacts including one with a ham in Florida, using just a tiny rig putting out 5 watts and feeding a trailing wire antenna:

This DZ had a hazard near the LZ, a state prison. Sure wouldn't want to land inside that perimeter with a bunch of bored and trigger happy guards looking to be anti terrorist heroes.

My daughter reports via a rare text reply "med school is really hard Dad but I'm doing fine."

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