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Offline Shutter

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1530 on: February 03, 2018, 04:51:23 PM »
facts are known...

Cooper pulling the ripcord on the stairs is not a fact...
Cooper jumping from the stairs is....
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1531 on: February 03, 2018, 04:52:07 PM »
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it's kind of hard to dispute...the witness reports were taken on the evening of the hijacking..they would of had to tell them all to say 200 grand in there testimony...this was hours after the crime, not days...

what about Lauren Peterson who claims to have put 250 grand in the bag?

I put that on a back burner too. I don't discard it, just park it for later reference.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1532 on: February 03, 2018, 04:54:47 PM »
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facts are known...

Cooper pulling the ripcord on the stairs is not a fact...
Cooper jumping from the stairs is....

In general, yes. But a more accurate description of Cooper's getaway is to say that he is presumed to have jumped from the stairs.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1533 on: February 03, 2018, 05:17:56 PM »
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facts are known...

Cooper pulling the ripcord on the stairs is not a fact...
Cooper jumping from the stairs is....

In general, yes. But a more accurate description of Cooper's getaway is to say that he is presumed to have jumped from the stairs.

Give us a break Donald!  :nono:
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1534 on: February 03, 2018, 05:53:27 PM »
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facts are known...

Cooper pulling the ripcord on the stairs is not a fact...
Cooper jumping from the stairs is....

In general, yes. But a more accurate description of Cooper's getaway is to say that he is presumed to have jumped from the stairs.

no, it's a fact..the plane was checked and no other exit available for Cooper to escape...

that term apply's to his heath after exit...

he was "presumed" dead, or you could "presume" he survived..
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1535 on: February 03, 2018, 06:54:13 PM »
So you don't think that John the FBI agent gave Alice his service revolver, and she then passed it to Bill Rataczak, who then shot and killed DBC - and a wet team cleaned up the mess in Reno?

Shut - ain't you got an imagination? Lots could have happened.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1536 on: February 03, 2018, 06:59:33 PM »
I have a great imagination, but it doesn't always apply here...the question was surrounding facts, not imagination?

I believe some people who push suspects have a very active imagination though  :conspiracy:
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1537 on: February 03, 2018, 07:01:46 PM »
For the record, I do believe that DBC jumped off the stairs. But I do hesitate to call it a fact since no one saw it happened. Hence, "presumed" is the qualifier I prefer using.

Just sayin'.

I suppose we could summon a bit o' QM here: Schrödinger's cats both jumped off the stair and stayed on-board until they are observed.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1538 on: February 03, 2018, 07:21:13 PM »
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For the record, I do believe that DBC jumped off the stairs. But I do hesitate to call it a fact since no one saw it happened. Hence, "presumed" is the qualifier I prefer using.

Just sayin'.

I suppose we could summon a bit o' QM here: Schrödinger's cats both jumped off the stair and stayed on-board until they are observed.

you didn't see the hijacking, so did it happen...where does this end?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1539 on: February 03, 2018, 07:26:38 PM »
notice fact vs presumption, or interpretation here?

Fact: Three bundles of 20 dollar bills were found just below the surface of the sand on Tena Bar in 1980.
Fact: The bundles were identified as D.B. Cooper's because the FBI had recorded the serial numbers and the bills matched.
Fact: Sand was dredged from the Columbia River and dumped on Tena Bar in 1974.
FBI Transcript: The dredging sands were pushed 50 yards up and down the beach.
Interpretation: If the money find was substantially more than 50 yards from the dredging sands, it could not have been dredged from the river.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1540 on: February 03, 2018, 07:53:34 PM »
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notice fact vs presumption, or interpretation here?

Fact: Three bundles of 20 dollar bills were found just below the surface of the sand on Tena Bar in 1980.
Fact: The bundles were identified as D.B. Cooper's because the FBI had recorded the serial numbers and the bills matched.
Fact: Sand was dredged from the Columbia River and dumped on Tena Bar in 1974.
FBI Transcript: The dredging sands were pushed 50 yards up and down the beach.
Interpretation: If the money find was substantially more than 50 yards from the dredging sands, it could not have been dredged from the river.

FBI did not record the bill numbers.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1541 on: February 03, 2018, 11:18:37 PM »
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notice fact vs presumption, or interpretation here?

Fact: Three bundles of 20 dollar bills were found just below the surface of the sand on Tena Bar in 1980.
Fact: The bundles were identified as D.B. Cooper's because the FBI had recorded the serial numbers and the bills matched.
Fact: Sand was dredged from the Columbia River and dumped on Tena Bar in 1974.
FBI Transcript: The dredging sands were pushed 50 yards up and down the beach.
Interpretation: If the money find was substantially more than 50 yards from the dredging sands, it could not have been dredged from the river.

FBI did not record the bill numbers.

which bill numbers ? When? WTF are you talking about? 

I think I will skip this regurgitation of mumbo-jumbo. See ya later sometime, or not.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1542 on: February 16, 2018, 04:39:35 PM »
Here are some military 727 jumps that I had never heard of. Quote is below. The website is here. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

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Full disclosure. I was once involved with a corporate 727-200ADV and one of the owners sons was a very accomplished skydiver. We had plans to make a similar drop down in Florida. During our prep time we watched the US Army jump from an ATA 727 down at Marana, Arizona and watched a video of the US Army jumping from the stairs of a Pan Am B727. The Pan Am video was quite well done from both outside and inside the airplane. Very interesting and very doable for the right person. 4 people on the stair and it would stay fairly well extended. With just one person the opening got smaller but not so small you could not get out without killing yourself.


We never did the jumps as there was a scheduling conflict with airplane and the completion center down in Orlando, FL."

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1543 on: February 17, 2018, 04:54:57 PM »
Good Weekend, good sirs - Just doing some writing and finding 1970s air travel pics in colour. Scroll down for NWO. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

And here is my all time fave airport, in Gander, Newfoundland. The lounge is a throwback to the era. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1544 on: February 17, 2018, 06:42:59 PM »
Good ol' Gander.

I remember the TWA Constellations flying over my house in NY on their approach to Idlewild Airport - now JFK International. They were all coming in from a refueling stop at Gander on their way back from Europe - a 13 hour flight, I believe.
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