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Flight Path And Related Issues
georger:
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Register or LoginI give R99 a lot of credit with his background and as a stable good person. however, I just can't come to a conclusion by going against so much to make this theory work. too many involved to have got this that far off.
we have several going against the known flight path but for some reason we don't have any issue's coming from all who were there, as in civilian members going against military findings. everyone seems to have agreed and it's people outside of this circle that are not convinced? nobody from Portland or Seatac disagreeing with the location of 305 on that evening to each other or to the military..traffic controllers saying they never left the boundaries of V23. as Tom stated to me, how can the first part of the path be good and the rest bad?
I need a whole lot more to make this theory plausible IMHO.
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When I talked to R2 several times, he admitted that he looked away from his screen just as 305 crossed the Columbia; he was busy talking to the T33 and lining it up for a rendezvous with 305 'near Lake Oswego'. When he looked back at his screen 305 had crossed the Columbia and it was just slightly west of Portland, still on V23. The process of lining the T33 up to converge with 305 required R2 know with certainty where 305 was! I conveyed everything immediately to R99 ..
Prior to my talk with R2 I will admit that R99 and I both were hoping R2 would say something to justify a fly-over of Tina Bay by 305. That did not happen! It did not happen three times! Then a fourth time at the next interview! Then a fifth time, and on and on and on ... I was forced to accept the data at hand. There is just no way around it.
The only variable in question is the 'time' Cooper left the plane. That is the only variable the data in hand offers.
Shutter:
The best I can say is I flew the first parts of the flight path dozens of times and came up with about the same timing in each run..
I made it to Ed Carlson field at 7:59/8:00
I crossed the Lewis river at around 8:10/8:11
I crossed the Columbia at around 8:18/8:19
there is extra time inside the Lewis river down to the Columbia.
This was done by following the radio transcripts for speed/altitudes/fuel flow/temps. and the map for timing match ups.
I could not match the transcripts right out of the gate stating 14 miles DME 4 minutes into the flight. I was able to match the 19 miles DME which would put the plane passing McChord. I believe I was leveled off at 7,000 at that point. it takes some time to reach altitude in this configuration.
EU:
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Register or LoginI give R99 a lot of credit with his background and as a stable good person. however, I just can't come to a conclusion by going against so much to make this theory work. too many involved to have got this that far off.
we have several going against the known flight path but for some reason we don't have any issue's coming from all who were there, as in civilian members going against military findings. everyone seems to have agreed and it's people outside of this circle that are not convinced? nobody from Portland or Seatac disagreeing with the location of 305 on that evening to each other or to the military..traffic controllers saying they never left the boundaries of V23. as Tom stated to me, how can the first part of the path be good and the rest bad?
I need a whole lot more to make this theory plausible IMHO.
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When I talked to R2 several times, he admitted that he looked away from his screen just as 305 crossed the Columbia; he was busy talking to the T33 and lining it up for a rendezvous with 305 'near Lake Oswego'. When he looked back at his screen 305 had crossed the Columbia and it was just slightly west of Portland, still on V23. The process of lining the T33 up to converge with 305 required R2 know with certainty where 305 was! I conveyed everything immediately to R99 ..
Prior to my talk with R2 I will admit that R99 and I both were hoping R2 would say something to justify a fly-over of Tina Bay by 305. That did not happen! It did not happen three times! Then a fourth time at the next interview! Then a fifth time, and on and on and on ... I was forced to accept the data at hand. There is just no way around it.
The only variable in question is the 'time' Cooper left the plane. That is the only variable the data in hand offers.
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I find this particularly interesting considering that according to the official FBI flight path the jet never flew west of Portland. In fact, it flew right over the top of it and just EAST of downtown.
georger:
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Register or LoginThe best I can say is I flew the first parts of the flight path dozens of times and came up with about the same timing in each run..
I made it to Ed Carlson field at 7:59/8:00
I crossed the Lewis river at around 8:10/8:11
I crossed the Columbia at around 8:18/8:19
there is extra time inside the Lewis river down to the Columbia.
This was done by following the radio transcripts for speed/altitudes/fuel flow/temps. and the map for timing match ups.
I could not match the transcripts right out of the gate stating 14 miles DME 4 minutes into the flight. I was able to match the 19 miles DME which would put the plane passing McChord. I believe I was leveled off at 7,000 at that point. it takes some time to reach altitude in this configuration.
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I think your times are right in the ballpark, but thats just my personal opinion. I think all known events fit into that timeline. ............ I wish R99 was here!
Shutter:
I posted a lot of my conclusion on here. I just never got around to recording the flight path from Seatac to Portland. I might have some flights still in the black box. I haven't cranked it up in a long time. I'm not sure a jump time can actually be calculated doing a simulation since we don't really have an accurate jump time other than what they have already done. some of the things they did are rather odd. the 8:16 to 8:17 marks are not like the map shows. it's a hard roll to the west as if they seen PDX or something and turned, I don't know but it's an odd move. you can see it on the video I posted several times here.
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