Author Topic: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case (Read 3606372 times)

EU · « **Reply #4125 on:** November 19, 2018, 06:19:42 PM »

DBC took the reserve for a reason...and it wasn't to be used as a back-up parachute if the primary parachute failed. Therefore, he took the dummy reserve for another reason. After all if he didn't need it, why wouldn't he just leave it behind like the other primary and reserve?

I think it is likely that the dummy reserve was opened and used to bundle the attache case--and the yellow paper bag and other small items--then tethered the bundle to dangle it below him as he descended (military style)--also providing him an indication of when he would hit the ground.

The mere fact that these items have not been found after nearly 50 years--yet a piece of the placard was found--tells me that he did not simply throw them out the back of the jet.

It seems to me that they were taken for the same reason that the used cigarette match book and letters were taken...to leave absolutely no shred of evidence behind.

Shutter · « **Reply #4126 on:** November 19, 2018, 06:22:08 PM »

A lot of the area along the flight path is still full of forestry, lots of things can get lost out there and quickly covered up by mother nature.

Shutter · « **Reply #4127 on:** November 19, 2018, 06:23:42 PM »

the way the chute opens makes it practically useless to attach anything you couldn't already do with rope.

snowmman · « **Reply #4128 on:** November 19, 2018, 06:28:32 PM »

we don't have any FBI memos on the placard. I believe they couldn't definitely say it came from the 727?

But I suppose no other plane should have been flying with the airstairs open. So it's hard to come up with any other plausible aircraft source for the placard?

Just wondering about the certainity of the placard being tied to Cooper's plane.

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The placard came out well before the "oscillation", that suggests the aft stairs were opened enough for stuff to get out.. or be thrown.

EU · « **Reply #4129 on:** November 19, 2018, 06:28:49 PM »

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the way the chute opens makes it practically useless to attach anything you couldn't already do with rope.

Actually the dummy reserve opens quite nicely and serves as an ample "bundle wrap." In part, because the canister unfolds into a flat sheet and the shroud lines and canopy can be easily be used to wrap up the flat canister if it were used to wrap around the attache case.

Shutter · « **Reply #4130 on:** November 19, 2018, 06:30:15 PM »

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the way the chute opens makes it practically useless to attach anything you couldn't already do with rope.

Actually the dummy reserve opens quite nicely and serves as an ample "bundle wrap." In part, because the canister unfolds into a flat sheet and the shroud lines and canopy can be easily be used to wrap up the flat canister if it were used to wrap around the attache case.

I doubt the briefcase would even fit inside of the reserve container. it's too small and would serve no purpose. that's why he didn't put the money in it..

snowmman · « **Reply #4131 on:** November 19, 2018, 06:30:28 PM »

wait for 377 to comment.
But if he had a loose tether with a heavy bag at the end, when exiting the 727 at speed, I think he would have been seriously fucked up? Probably hard enough to deal with just the human body, let alone a mace-like effect whipping around.

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DBC took the reserve for a reason...and it wasn't to be used as a back-up parachute if the primary parachute failed. Therefore, he took the dummy reserve for another reason. After all if he didn't need it, why wouldn't he just leave it behind like the other primary and reserve?

I think it is likely that the dummy reserve was opened and used to bundle the attache case--and the yellow paper bag and other small items--then tethered the bundle to dangle it below him as he descended (military style)--also providing him an indication of when he would hit the ground.

The mere fact that these items have not been found after nearly 50 years--yet a piece of the placard was found--tells me that he did not simply throw them out the back of the jet.

It seems to me that they were taken for the same reason that the used cigarette match book and letters were taken...to leave absolutely no shred of evidence behind.

EU · « **Reply #4132 on:** November 19, 2018, 06:32:22 PM »

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the way the chute opens makes it practically useless to attach anything you couldn't already do with rope.

Actually the dummy reserve opens quite nicely and serves as an ample "bundle wrap." In part, because the canister unfolds into a flat sheet and the shroud lines and canopy can be easily be used to wrap up the flat canister if it were used to wrap around the attache case.

I doubt the briefcase would even fit inside of the reserve container. it's too small and would serve no purpose. that's why he didn't put the money in it..

That's what I'm saying, the canister is not actually a canister in the sense that it's a bag. It literally unfolds into a flat sheet.

snowmman · « **Reply #4133 on:** November 19, 2018, 06:34:39 PM »

Their estimate was 17 to 18 feet per second, for descent rate.
This idea of a 5-10 ft cord dangling below him, would mean he'd have half a second or less to react?
Seems silly to me..that he's going to detect the slack in the cord, and do something special within half a second.
human reaction time is like 0.1 secs.

I don't believe any of these dangling tether ideas. Doesn't make sense to me.

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DBC took the reserve for a reason...and it wasn't to be used as a back-up parachute if the primary parachute failed. Therefore, he took the dummy reserve for another reason. After all if he didn't need it, why wouldn't he just leave it behind like the other primary and reserve?

I think it is likely that the dummy reserve was opened and used to bundle the attache case--and the yellow paper bag and other small items--then tethered the bundle to dangle it below him as he descended (military style)--also providing him an indication of when he would hit the ground.

The mere fact that these items have not been found after nearly 50 years--yet a piece of the placard was found--tells me that he did not simply throw them out the back of the jet.

It seems to me that they were taken for the same reason that the used cigarette match book and letters were taken...to leave absolutely no shred of evidence behind.

EU · « **Reply #4134 on:** November 19, 2018, 06:36:10 PM »

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wait for 377 to comment.
But if he had a loose tether with a heavy bag at the end, when exiting the 727 at speed, I think he would have been seriously fucked up? Probably hard enough to deal with just the human body, let alone a mace-like effect whipping around.

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DBC took the reserve for a reason...and it wasn't to be used as a back-up parachute if the primary parachute failed. Therefore, he took the dummy reserve for another reason. After all if he didn't need it, why wouldn't he just leave it behind like the other primary and reserve?

I think it is likely that the dummy reserve was opened and used to bundle the attache case--and the yellow paper bag and other small items--then tethered the bundle to dangle it below him as he descended (military style)--also providing him an indication of when he would hit the ground.

The mere fact that these items have not been found after nearly 50 years--yet a piece of the placard was found--tells me that he did not simply throw them out the back of the jet.

It seems to me that they were taken for the same reason that the used cigarette match book and letters were taken...to leave absolutely no shred of evidence behind.

All I know is that this is how the military jumps with a lot of equipment.

Shutter · « **Reply #4135 on:** November 19, 2018, 06:37:07 PM »

Here is one with measurements beside it...

snowmman · « **Reply #4136 on:** November 19, 2018, 06:38:38 PM »

There's really no reason to take the reserve in any way.

The back rig has a canopy. So if he overnighted in the woods, he'd have that for shelter/warmth

If he landed with the money, in the woods, he could have used the back rig to jerry rig a pack to carry the money.

Just can't see a reason to take the reserve with him. Seems more likely he just tossed it.

snowmman · « **Reply #4137 on:** November 19, 2018, 06:42:10 PM »

They don't jump at the exit speed Cooper had.
And they jump with a static line. No need to stabilize and pull a ripcord.
and pretty sure they don't jump with the tether loose
You can look at pictures. The one's I've seen, all the gear is attached to body well, at exit.
They can be pretty heavily loaded up.

Cooper wasn't heavily loaded. No reason to get weight off his body at ground impact.
Any tethering is most likely for that reason..and released post exit...not to "detect ground"
That seems silly.
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All I know is that this is how the military jumps with a lot of equipment.

Shutter · « **Reply #4138 on:** November 19, 2018, 06:45:45 PM »

If Cooper wanted to utilize one of the chutes. he would of tore apart the second back chute. much more effective to use as a carrier..

EU · « **Reply #4139 on:** November 19, 2018, 06:48:01 PM »

You realize that advocating a "threw the stuff out the back" scenario means that there were a minimum of three separate packages (if the money stayed attached...if that separated from DBC there would be four separate packages) as follows:

1) Cooper himself with ransom and main parachute.

2) Dummy reserve parachute.

3) Attache case.

Not a single one of these items has been found after nearly 50 years. Furthermore, it is not like nobody lives in southwestern Washington or has searched for him and the loot.

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