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Offline snowmman

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4095 on: November 18, 2018, 12:46:57 PM »
I just discovered the "Harrison" files here on Shutter's site.
Hadn't seen them before. Fascinating.

Where did they come from?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4096 on: November 18, 2018, 01:36:09 PM »
Okay I figured out what my "dbcooperforum_all_download.pdf" file was

it was the concatentation of the 6 files that were provided by Reichenbach, here at Shutter's site.

The particular memo is
1322460-0 - 164-PH-133- 164-PH-133-Section 6, Serial 1.PDF
page 2

and it's redacted there. But it's unredacted in the Grey files.

I had a wrongly named file, which was why I didn't see that it came from that file above, before.

I think those 6 Reichenbach files are only available on Shutter's site?
But they make up less pages than Grey's file. I think Grey's file covers all of those 6 files? Not sure, didn't check.

Did check, no, the specific files are not on Colbert's site labelled as such, although I don't know if the Colbert files overlap.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4097 on: November 18, 2018, 03:08:18 PM »
Tina said the paper bag was green.

Why isn't this considered authoritative?
EU I think said there were multiple conflicting reports in terms of bag color? From who?

I can't imagine how Tina could be mistaken?

attached the interview segment where she says green paper bag
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4098 on: November 18, 2018, 03:10:21 PM »
Tina apparently started talking about the green paper bag after Cooper got the money and I guess parachutes?

A crazy thought: I wonder if the green paper bag could have been one of the burp sacks.

When was the first time anyone ID'ed Cooper holding a paper bag? Was it only after the parachutes were delivered?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4099 on: November 18, 2018, 03:14:22 PM »
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Cooper's statements about money occurred in his list of demands, and nothing else. It has nothing to do with his personal identity any more than his request for a knap sack does! Maybe knap sack indicates he was Bulgarian, to Bulgarians? I have no idea  :rofl:

When Carol Abrakadabra and then Tom surfaced with this wild theory (another propeller theory!) people told them they were FOS. They paid no attention, as they seldom do. Now Flyjack/Bulljax has picked it up ... with a vengeance!

Cooper's statement about the "form" he wanted the $200k in (circulated US currency) is merely one more of his demands made when he was listing his demands, along with knapsack, $200k, cannot land anywhere in the USA, 4 parachutes, etc. This demand about the form of payment he wants is perfectly consistent with his other demands and statements he was making at the time. All together his demands specify that the $200k shall be in denominations consistent with 'fitting into a knapsack/backpack. That would rule out $200k in one dollar bills or quarters! He has stated the plane cannot land anywhere in the USA, so ... he wants a currency that is readily convertible outside the USA. He wants old circulated bills that are more difficult to trace. Thus, he says 'US circulated currency' .

This is merely one of Cooper's demands. This demand is consistent with his other demands. It has nothing to do with his identity!   

Your speculation is that Cooper said US/American currency because he LATER demanded to go to Mexico. That implies his initial intention was to jump in Mexico or beyond. This goes against the consensus.. most believe Mexico was a ruse. That makes no sense, why make a demand you knew was unachievable and going to be rejected/renegotiated.

And I agree, his actual jump was a plan B after it became evident the plane had to land in Reno, he did initially want to go to nonstop to Mexico. It may just be a guess but Mexico is foreign..

So Coop had plan A, B, C, D ... and he voiced all of these at different times - so a chronological listing of all of his utterances and to whom he said what, is required. In addition Cooper gave his demands to different people at different times.

All of these different sets of utterances to different people in different forms adds up to his logical matrix! Foreign or not? This calls for a video of the whole thing. Follow the bouncing ball to determine his true self. 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4100 on: November 18, 2018, 03:15:08 PM »
Here's a green airsickness bag (from Zimbabwe actually)

note it has no writing on it.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4101 on: November 18, 2018, 03:20:11 PM »
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Tina said the paper bag was green.

Why isn't this considered authoritative?
EU I think said there were multiple conflicting reports in terms of bag color? From who?

I can't imagine how Tina could be mistaken?

attached the interview segment where she says green paper bag

Nancy House, page 13 in Gray's files. The bag is described as yellow as he was leaving the restroom.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4102 on: November 18, 2018, 03:23:48 PM »
okay that's good.

So the first sighting of the paper bag was upon landing at Seattle, before parachutes and money arrived.

Maybe the bag was yellowish-green. Could appear different depending on lighting/distance
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4103 on: November 18, 2018, 03:42:10 PM »
Plans A B C D etc as per Flyjacking.

By examining the cognitive dissonance between all parties engaged in different plans at different times (unfolding) then evaluating the truth index of Cooper (and others) at each state of the game, can we assess if Cooper is lying or gaming, foreigner or American. This could get very complex, but what the hell! Each state/interaction is best seen as a quantum state. Cognitive dissonance of all parties at each state in then examined, as per the diagram below. 

This is right up Tom Kaye's alley.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4104 on: November 19, 2018, 05:00:51 AM »
I've been making fun of Bruce,
but:
I accidently found two CIA documents on remote viewing. Really. Just like Bruce says.
I'm a little stunned.

A session is described here
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It was labelled SECRET.

The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document titled GRILL FLAME Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S)

It's from July 1982 and was only approved for release in 2003

The Inscom GRILL FLAME project protocol is described here. Also SECRET
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MILITARY OBJECTIVE:
It is the objective of this protocol to standardize the process of remote viewing so that it may become an established task in the spectrum of intelligence and information gathering functions and for target acquisition applications.

Remote Viewing (RV): An intellectual process by which a person perceives characteristics of a location remote from that person. It does not involve any electronic sensing devices at or focused at the target nor does it involve classical photo interpretation of photographs obtained from overhead or oblique means.



more detail about military applications in the 2nd doc above.

Is Bruce Smith some kind of cast-off from a failed CIA remote viewing project?
Or is he a CIA remote viewing Manchurian Candidate?

What happens when the crazy people actually are right?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4105 on: November 19, 2018, 05:18:09 AM »
Snow, it is more stunning than you can imagine. The above protocols were developed just down the street from 377 - at the Stanford Research Institute.

Dr. Hal Putoff was the director, and is still doing LOTS of "crazy" stuff at his independent lab, down in AZ, I believe. I've interviewed him, and incorporated much of our conversation, along with his public research, in my antigravity article that was published in NEXUS magazine in 2003, and was the basis of my invite to present at the 2004 STAIF conference in Albuquerque.

For those interested, the article and related writings are posted at the Mountain News under the category of "The Science of Consciousness."

As for my being detritus from the CIA or a wandering soul from Manchuria, I'm simply a guy from the 'burbs in NY who wants to walk on water. Or win the lottery, as 377 has encouraged me to do - and I am! Got one number each on two games last week.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4106 on: November 19, 2018, 07:52:41 AM »
There was this one guy they recruited - name of Lynn. Total Jedi. He could do it all - cloud bursting, eye dazzling, remote viewing, you name it. When he was at Fort Bragg, he could find anything you need. Man actually killed a goat with a cold stare.

That's it. Gotta watch The Men Who Stare at Goats again now. Been too long.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4107 on: November 19, 2018, 09:47:27 AM »
 CIA said about remote viewing: nor does it involve classical photo interpretation of photographs obtained from overhead or oblique means.

Are these guys paid by the word? Nor does it involve hyperspectral imaging or Xray telescopes.

Ft Bragg? Airborne jumper. Killed a goat with a stare? T Bar cattle mystery solved.

We may have found Cooper right where Bruce always knew we would, at the CIA.

As a skeptical rational engineer I am put off by Putoff, the absolute master of extraordinary experimental results that somehow can never be repeated by third party scientists. They must have toxic auras or defective shakras. Just ask their houseplants.

If remote viewing works, where are its billionaires?

377



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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4108 on: November 19, 2018, 09:57:14 AM »
Remote viewing, if it worked, would put NASAs interplanetary exploration vehicles out of business. Why spend billions on hardware when it can be done with none? Those alien human hybrid  beeeding colonies on the Moon were well known to remote viewers long before NASAs first Lunar Orbiter took flight.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4109 on: November 19, 2018, 04:54:52 PM »
What do people think about this idea:

Cooper definitely went down the airstairs twice.
So any jump site predicted on detection of a single down/up transition of the airstairs, is wrong.
In fact, if the first transition was the detected one, than the jump would be some minimum amount of time after the first transition (due to up/down travel time on the stairs)

This assumes that the overall speed of the up transition didn't change that much, when comparing a jump off the stairs, versus walking back up the stairs. That assumption may not be true. In any case, even if it varied, the detectable oscillation/pressure bump that results, may not vary linearly with the airstair up transition velocity.

Why did Cooper have to go down the airstairs twice?

He had to use one hand to hold the rail. The overall situation would be too windy/crazy to walk down no hands.
And the stairs don't lower fully unless weighted when in flight. (air pressure) And the plane isn't going too fast (Didn't they slow down a bit when they thought Cooper was having trouble? Forget)

He had a back rig on, the money bag tied on. The reserve may have been clipped onto him somehow, but unlikely since no D rings and no easy place for the hooks on the reserve to clip onto. The closest thing would be clipping them on the webbing straps of the back rig, but that would have been difficult given the dimensions of the snap hooks on the reserve.

So assume the taken reserve was loose.
It's unlikely he threw the reserve out from the top of the stairs. The wind would have been too random to guarantee that the reserve woud go out cleanly. The stair tunnel is pretty long. And the stairs would be pushed up closed (mostly) until weighted. The post-hijack test flights show this..the stairs are pushed closed unless weighted.

Especially if Cooper had jump experience, he would want a clean exit for the stuff he's throwing out.

So he walks down the stairs (maybe not all the way) with briefcase in one hand, one hand on rail. Throws out briefcase. Goes up to top of stairs and gets reserve..goes down and throws that out.
At this point he may jump, or he may go back up and wait and go down a third time.

But I think it's most likely that airstairs transitioned down and up at least twice.

It doesn't make sense to me that the airstairs transitioned down and up just once, which is what all the DZ calculation and correlation to perceived oscillation/pressure bump depends on.

Now why didn't the pilots notice two oscillations? Well if they were just thinking of Cooper exiting, they would be attuned to a single event. Not two events.
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