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"Native" Americans would not say US/American currency in the context of asking for money. That would be unusual and rare.

To claim ANY would is just a baseless non sequitur.. your assertion is herby rejected.

So you're telling me that DBC was not an American because he supposedly asked for "American currency?"

I'm not really following the logic here.

Using US/American currency implies foreign influence/exposure, since it would be very very rare for a "native" American who has only ever been exposed to US currency to use the terms (2X) when asking for money. That doesn't indicate citizenship, he could be an American citizen but spent time outside the US, somebody exposed to foreign currencies, probably recently.

If it is rare for a "native" American to use those terms in that context, you can't conclude that ANY would say it. You could conclude it is possible, but virtually anything is possible.

I have extensive experience in Canada and the US dealing in both currencies, you will never convince me it is common that a "native" without foreign influence/experience would use a "country" qualifier for their own currency. It is rare, very rare.

What ticked me off was not your different opinion but you discounting my experience and reasoning calling it speculation then you proceed to speculate. The hypocrisy. Virtually everything is speculation or conjecture. Your entire SP thesis is.. IMO, there is no discussion or exchange of ideas from that position and it undermines the entire purpose for this forum.

This is my 190th try! To get through to Godess... 

What YOU think is irrelevant. What you KNOW is irrelevant. You are not DB Cooper. You wree not DB Cooper on 11-24-71 so it does matter what you say or think - and it is not YOU who said what DB Cooper said in the context he said it in, then! Got that? 

Dont tell us what language or B Cooper did or said or thought ojn 11-24-71- you are not DB Cooper and you were NOT DB Cooper then or now.

Once you have digested this major factoid we might be able to have a discussion. Until then it is useless/pointless.

Have a nice jihad, Elmer. 

   

The Pilot notes record Cooper's first words on his demands and this subject phoned in by Tina even as Flo arrived in the cockpit with Cooper's note. 

Pilot notes page 4>

It says:
2202 - Flo in cockpit with note
2305 - 2nd call from Tina concerning man. Has bomb with ?
2310 - wants money in negotiable currency to be passed by a crew member.
2320 - wants everything ready before landing.

No mention of US currency, circulated currency, etc which evidently came later ... in epistles from the Alamo and St Elmo!

Georger, those notes were taken by the pilot? I thought Schaffner wrote all those notes while in the cockpit?
what makes you think the pilot wrote those notes?

So you're claiming a note taken by someone else, of a phone call with Tina, is more definitive than an interview later with Tina herself?

The Pilot notes record Cooper's first words on his demands and this subject phoned in by Tina even as Flo arrived in the cockpit with Cooper's note. 

Pilot notes page 4>

It says:
2202 - Flo in cockpit with note
2305 - 2nd call from Tina concerning man. Has bomb with ?
2310 - wants money in negotiable currency to be passed by a crew member.
2320 - wants everything ready before landing.

No mention of US currency, circulated currency, etc which evidently came later ... in epistles from the Alamo and St Elmo!

Georger, those notes were taken by the pilot? I thought Schaffner wrote all those notes while in the cockpit?
what makes you think the pilot wrote those notes?

So you're claiming a note taken by someone else, of a phone call with Tina, is more definitive than an interview later with Tina herself?

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The Pilot notes record Cooper's first words on his demands and this subject phoned in by Tina even as Flo arrived in the cockpit with Cooper's note. 

Pilot notes page 4>

It says:
2202 - Flo in cockpit with note
2305 - 2nd call from Tina concerning man. Has bomb with ?
2310 - wants money in negotiable currency to be passed by a crew member.
2320 - wants everything ready before landing.

No mention of US currency, circulated currency, etc which evidently came later ... in epistles from the Alamo and St Elmo!

Note begins with 'T called plane' if I read it right. I assume that's Mucklow in the rear?

The context of US (American) currency or whatever, comes up as a specification Cooper has made. Its not an idle remark on his part. The specification jibes with everything else Cooper has said or demanded to that point. Different people may have heard or taken it differently. Cooper himself may have said it several times in different forms.

There is nothing in the remark(s) that guarantees his identity. And, it never comes up again! The whole issue of the form the ransom should be paid is introduced solely by Cooper and nowhere is it brought up by anyone else or discussed ?  And, there is no record of anyone at the time until Carol Abraczinkas in 2009 (sp?) making an issue about these exchanges claiming Cooper had just slipped and uttered a tell, a key to his origin or identity! I guess everyone else at the time missed it if this is some vital clue to Cooper's identity. Only Carol, Tom, and Flyjack were smart enough to notice it and zero in on it!

How many version of this statement have we got? 3, 4, 5 ?

I might agree that these statements add up to Cooper trying to say that his final destination might be in some foreign place. A place like Spain, or deep in the Ozarks or in Montana? His insistence on circulated bills may be telling. It is all general information in any event. This is not Cooper dna!         

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well, foreign currency isn't the only thing that could have been rattling around in Cooper's brain.
Attached $20 MPC from the vietnam era. Weird they had an American Indian on this series? (there were a variety of "series" used)

Funny, these got for $80 or more  nowadays to collectors.

I notice on some of the ones for sale they have pinholes. There's some on the left side of this one. Interesting that paper bills develop pinholes (thinking of the found cooper money)

Never seen US Military script before. Thanks for posting. Never used that when I was in the Navy.

Snow may be right - that's plausible. All kinds of things rattling around in his head.

But his specification of circulated (old) US (American) currency specifies the "form" the ransom shall take. It is one of his demands listed along with his other demands. Tina called the cockpit to communicate his demands. She did not call the cockpit to say: "Hey! He's a foreigner. Canadian!" And nobody else put Cooper's words together that way either at the time! Only Carol, Lab Man, and Flyjack decades later. Let's see if there is more on this in the FBI FOIA files?

So... who did discuss and decide on the form of the ransom? Who chose $20 dollar bills vs hundreds and why? He had ordered the knapsack and everyone understood what that was for. So they stuck him with the bank bag instead and he adapted cutting line from one of the chutes.

Did Cooper ever mention meters vs feet, or kilometers vs miles in any of his discussions/comments? Something tangible that would indicate foreigner?

Does anything in his slang indicate foreigner vs American? Yes.

Did he say chips vs fries?


   
   

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It isn't normal for an American who has never been outside the US to use US/American currency. It implies a recent and significant foreign influence/experience and it could be military, doesn't have to be a foreign citizen. Cooper experienced foreign currency..

This is pure speculation. The bottom line is that it is an unusual request regardless of who you are or where you're from. To draw any conclusions is a stretch.

What we do know is that DBC had no discernible accent. That's it.

If I had to guess, I would say it's simply a phrase--if accurate--that is simply an attempt to be specific with respect to his demands. Furthermore, as those of us who are familiar with the Seattle and Vancouver, BC area in the 70s and 80s can attest, it was common for businesses in and around the area to accept currency from the other country at the current exchange rate. This was more common in Canada, but it happened in the US too.

Ridiculous. You call it speculation then proceed to speculate..

This is where this forum gets nauseating. Lack of critical thinking.

You argued for conjecture. Now reject it. Double standard or personal bias?

It would be extremely rare for an American without foreign influence/exposure to use the term US/American currency, that is very significant and denying it is denying experience, reason and logic.

95% of this case has speculation and conjecture... you can reject virtually everything if you want to apply a strict proven fact only standard. The very nature of the unsolved requires speculation and conjecture to advance it.

You claim it is extremely rare for "an American without foreign influence/exposure to use the term US/American currency" while in the US.

Okay, support your claim. You're going to have a problem defending this assertion even anecdotally.

I'm an American, have been around for 52 years, have lived in Seattle and don't buy it. Furthermore, I highly doubt my experience and perspective is devoid of reason and logic.

Oh, one more thing: My suspect is Sheridan Peterson who, in fact, spent many decades overseas. My point being, I have no bias.

EU, I think your use of the term "my suspect" shoots a hole right through your claim to not have a bias. Maybe just a teensy one?

How?

Remember, this discussion is about the use of the phrase "American currency" which FLY is arguing implies DBC was someone who spent a lot of time outside the US. His argument actually helps my case pointing to Sheridan.

So how does my arguing against FLY's point show I have a bias toward Sheridan?

Cooper's statements about money occurred in his list of demands, and nothing else. It has nothing to do with his personal identity any more than his request for a knap sack does! Maybe knap sack indicates he was Bulgarian, to Bulgarians? I have no idea 

When Carol Abrakadabra and then Tom surfaced with this wild theory (another propeller theory!) people told them they were FOS. They paid no attention, as they seldom do. Now Flyjack/Bulljax has picked it up ... with a vengeance!

Cooper's statement about the "form" he wanted the $200k in (circulated US currency) is merely one more of his demands made when he was listing his demands, along with knapsack, $200k, cannot land anywhere in the USA, 4 parachutes, etc. This demand about the form of payment he wants is perfectly consistent with his other demands and statements he was making at the time. All together his demands specify that the $200k shall be in denominations consistent with 'fitting into a knapsack/backpack. That would rule out $200k in one dollar bills or quarters! He has stated the plane cannot land anywhere in the USA, so ... he wants a currency that is readily convertible outside the USA. He wants old circulated bills that are more difficult to trace. Thus, he says 'US circulated currency' .

This is merely one of Cooper's demands. This demand is consistent with his other demands. It has nothing to do with his identity!   

Your speculation is that Cooper said US/American currency because he LATER demanded to go to Mexico. That implies his initial intention was to jump in Mexico or beyond. This goes against the consensus.. most believe Mexico was a ruse. That makes no sense, why make a demand you knew was unachievable and going to be rejected/renegotiated.

And I agree, his actual jump was a plan B after it became evident the plane had to land in Reno, he did initially want to go to nonstop to Mexico. It may just be a guess but Mexico is foreign..