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50% Cooper lived
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75% Cooper lived
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4065 on: November 17, 2018, 01:50:01 PM »
Sheridan also uses the word man often in his speech.

Witness his statement about whether he could have made the Cooper jump.

Man, I would have made it.

No witnesses reported this is Coopers speech.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4066 on: November 17, 2018, 01:59:18 PM »
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It isn't normal for an American who has never been outside the US to use US/American currency. It implies a recent and significant foreign influence/experience and it could be military, doesn't have to be a foreign citizen. Cooper experienced foreign currency..

This is pure speculation. The bottom line is that it is an unusual request regardless of who you are or where you're from. To draw any conclusions is a stretch.

What we do know is that DBC had no discernible accent. That's it.

If I had to guess, I would say it's simply a phrase--if accurate--that is simply an attempt to be specific with respect to his demands. Furthermore, as those of us who are familiar with the Seattle and Vancouver, BC area in the 70s and 80s can attest, it was common for businesses in and around the area to accept currency from the other country at the current exchange rate. This was more common in Canada, but it happened in the US too.

Ridiculous. You call it speculation then proceed to speculate..

This is where this forum gets nauseating. Lack of critical thinking.

You argued for conjecture. Now reject it. Double standard or personal bias?

It would be extremely rare for an American without foreign influence/exposure to use the term US/American currency, that is very significant and denying it is denying experience, reason and logic.

95% of this case has speculation and conjecture... you can reject virtually everything if you want to apply a strict proven fact only standard. The very nature of the unsolved requires speculation and conjecture to advance it.

You claim it is extremely rare for "an American without foreign influence/exposure to use the term US/American currency" while in the US.

Okay, support your claim. You're going to have a problem defending this assertion even anecdotally.

I'm an American, have been around for 52 years, have lived in Seattle and don't buy it. Furthermore, I highly doubt my experience and perspective is devoid of reason and logic.

Oh, one more thing: My suspect is Sheridan Peterson who, in fact, spent many decades overseas. My point being, I have no bias.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4067 on: November 17, 2018, 02:08:53 PM »
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It isn't normal for an American who has never been outside the US to use US/American currency. It implies a recent and significant foreign influence/experience and it could be military, doesn't have to be a foreign citizen. Cooper experienced foreign currency..

This is pure speculation. The bottom line is that it is an unusual request regardless of who you are or where you're from. To draw any conclusions is a stretch.

What we do know is that DBC had no discernible accent. That's it.

If I had to guess, I would say it's simply a phrase--if accurate--that is simply an attempt to be specific with respect to his demands. Furthermore, as those of us who are familiar with the Seattle and Vancouver, BC area in the 70s and 80s can attest, it was common for businesses in and around the area to accept currency from the other country at the current exchange rate. This was more common in Canada, but it happened in the US too.

Ridiculous. You call it speculation then proceed to speculate..

This is where this forum gets nauseating. Lack of critical thinking.

You argued for conjecture. Now reject it. Double standard or personal bias?

It would be extremely rare for an American without foreign influence/exposure to use the term US/American currency, that is very significant and denying it is denying experience, reason and logic.

95% of this case has speculation and conjecture... you can reject virtually everything if you want to apply a strict proven fact only standard. The very nature of the unsolved requires speculation and conjecture to advance it.

You claim it is extremely rare for "an American without foreign influence/exposure to use the term US/American currency" while in the US.

Okay, support your claim. You're going to have a problem defending this assertion even anecdotally.

I'm an American, have been around for 52 years, have lived in Seattle and don't buy it. Furthermore, I highly doubt my experience and perspective is devoid of reason and logic.

Oh, one more thing: My suspect is Sheridan Peterson who, in fact, spent many decades overseas. My point being, I have no bias.

I don't give a shit if you buy it or not.. MY experience, reason and logic tells me IT IS SIGNIFICANT.

My criticism of your comment is the hypocrisy.. I really don't care what you think.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4068 on: November 17, 2018, 02:18:14 PM »
Wow, this got kicked up a few notches just now.

Nonetheless, I consider "American currency" virtually meaningless.

Personally, I'll spend my time analyzing things such as how DBC was familiar with Yuma? Why he didn't bring his own parachute? What his plan was if he had to abort the hijacking in Seattle? And, why he wanted the airstairs open immediately after departing, once again, Seattle?

But, that's just me.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4069 on: November 17, 2018, 02:24:50 PM »
If anyone gets nauseated on the forum, please use the burp sacks that are stuck in the folds of the web pages.
 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4070 on: November 17, 2018, 03:07:52 PM »
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Wow, this got kicked up a few notches just now.

Nonetheless, I consider "American currency" virtually meaningless.

Personally, I'll spend my time analyzing things such as how DBC was familiar with Yuma? Why he didn't bring his own parachute? What his plan was if he had to abort the hijacking in Seattle? And, why he wanted the airstairs open immediately after departing, once again, Seattle?

But, that's just me.

There is nothing to waste time on.. US/American currency is significant, implying a foreign influence, that is it. The end.

Apparently, in your 52 years in America those terms are widely used...  very very odd. Did you work in a currency exchange?

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4071 on: November 17, 2018, 03:36:26 PM »
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Wow, this got kicked up a few notches just now.

Nonetheless, I consider "American currency" virtually meaningless.

Personally, I'll spend my time analyzing things such as how DBC was familiar with Yuma? Why he didn't bring his own parachute? What his plan was if he had to abort the hijacking in Seattle? And, why he wanted the airstairs open immediately after departing, once again, Seattle?

But, that's just me.

There is nothing to waste time on.. US/American currency is significant, implying a foreign influence, that is it. The end.

Apparently, in your 52 years in America those terms are widely used...  very very odd. Did you work in a currency exchange?

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As a matter of fact, I was in the currency, futures, puts, calls, etc. business. Beyond that, I'm certain all Americans have heard the term "American currency" too many times to recall in life. The context is where a distinction can be drawn.

My point is as follows: It would be somewhat unusual for any person, of any nationality, to use any such term when dealing with a "native" transaction. For example, in Canada you wouldn't normally request "Canadian currency" in the normal course of business. Therefore, to claim that DBC's use of the "American currency" phrase implies that he was an American who had spent time out of the country and that most Americans would never say such a thing is a leap.

Again, on what basis do you make this claim? From what I can tell you base it upon your "experience, reason and logic." Okay.

Simply put, I'm asserting that any American could have used this phrase even if they had never traveled outside of the Pacific Northwest. Period.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4072 on: November 17, 2018, 04:12:35 PM »
There was a lot of political hijackings going on during this time period. perhaps Cooper was making sure they were not dealing with an outsider, even though he really had no accent other than mid-western?
 

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« Reply #4073 on: November 17, 2018, 04:30:22 PM »
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Wow, this got kicked up a few notches just now.

Nonetheless, I consider "American currency" virtually meaningless.

Personally, I'll spend my time analyzing things such as how DBC was familiar with Yuma? Why he didn't bring his own parachute? What his plan was if he had to abort the hijacking in Seattle? And, why he wanted the airstairs open immediately after departing, once again, Seattle?

But, that's just me.

There is nothing to waste time on.. US/American currency is significant, implying a foreign influence, that is it. The end.

Apparently, in your 52 years in America those terms are widely used...  very very odd. Did you work in a currency exchange?

.

As a matter of fact, I was in the currency, futures, puts, calls, etc. business. Beyond that, I'm certain all Americans have heard the term "American currency" too many times to recall in life. The context is where a distinction can be drawn.

My point is as follows: It would be somewhat unusual for any person, of any nationality, to use any such term when dealing with a "native" transaction. For example, in Canada you wouldn't normally request "Canadian currency" in the normal course of business. Therefore, to claim that DBC's use of the "American currency" phrase implies that he was an American who had spent time out of the country and that most Americans would never say such a thing is a leap.

Again, on what basis do you make this claim? From what I can tell you base it upon your "experience, reason and logic." Okay.

Simply put, I'm asserting that any American could have used this phrase even if they had never traveled outside of the Pacific Northwest. Period.

"Native" Americans would not say US/American currency in the context of asking for money. That would be unusual and rare.

To claim ANY would is just a baseless non sequitur.. your assertion is herby rejected.

 

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« Reply #4074 on: November 17, 2018, 04:33:37 PM »
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"Native" Americans would not say US/American currency in the context of asking for money. That would be unusual and rare.

To claim ANY would is just a baseless non sequitur.. your assertion is herby rejected.

So you're telling me that DBC was not an American because he supposedly asked for "American currency?"

I'm not really following the logic here.
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« Reply #4075 on: November 17, 2018, 04:50:45 PM »
Very disturbing.....


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« Reply #4076 on: November 17, 2018, 06:49:06 PM »
But are we happy!
 

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« Reply #4077 on: November 17, 2018, 06:53:33 PM »
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It isn't normal for an American who has never been outside the US to use US/American currency. It implies a recent and significant foreign influence/experience and it could be military, doesn't have to be a foreign citizen. Cooper experienced foreign currency..

This is pure speculation. The bottom line is that it is an unusual request regardless of who you are or where you're from. To draw any conclusions is a stretch.

What we do know is that DBC had no discernible accent. That's it.

If I had to guess, I would say it's simply a phrase--if accurate--that is simply an attempt to be specific with respect to his demands. Furthermore, as those of us who are familiar with the Seattle and Vancouver, BC area in the 70s and 80s can attest, it was common for businesses in and around the area to accept currency from the other country at the current exchange rate. This was more common in Canada, but it happened in the US too.

Ridiculous. You call it speculation then proceed to speculate..

This is where this forum gets nauseating. Lack of critical thinking.

You argued for conjecture. Now reject it. Double standard or personal bias?

It would be extremely rare for an American without foreign influence/exposure to use the term US/American currency, that is very significant and denying it is denying experience, reason and logic.

95% of this case has speculation and conjecture... you can reject virtually everything if you want to apply a strict proven fact only standard. The very nature of the unsolved requires speculation and conjecture to advance it.

You claim it is extremely rare for "an American without foreign influence/exposure to use the term US/American currency" while in the US.

Okay, support your claim. You're going to have a problem defending this assertion even anecdotally.

I'm an American, have been around for 52 years, have lived in Seattle and don't buy it. Furthermore, I highly doubt my experience and perspective is devoid of reason and logic.

Oh, one more thing: My suspect is Sheridan Peterson who, in fact, spent many decades overseas. My point being, I have no bias.

EU, I think your use of the term "my suspect" shoots a hole right through your claim to not have a bias. Maybe just a teensy one?
 

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« Reply #4078 on: November 17, 2018, 07:30:35 PM »
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"Native" Americans would not say US/American currency in the context of asking for money. That would be unusual and rare.

To claim ANY would is just a baseless non sequitur.. your assertion is herby rejected.

So you're telling me that DBC was not an American because he supposedly asked for "American currency?"

I'm not really following the logic here.


Using US/American currency implies foreign influence/exposure, since it would be very very rare for a "native" American who has only ever been exposed to US currency to use the terms (2X) when asking for money. That doesn't indicate citizenship, he could be an American citizen but spent time outside the US, somebody exposed to foreign currencies, probably recently.

If it is rare for a "native" American to use those terms in that context, you can't conclude that ANY would say it. You could conclude it is possible, but virtually anything is possible.

I have extensive experience in Canada and the US dealing in both currencies, you will never convince me it is common that a "native" without foreign influence/experience would use a "country" qualifier for their own currency. It is rare, very rare.

What ticked me off was not your different opinion but you discounting my experience and reasoning calling it speculation then you proceed to speculate. The hypocrisy. Virtually everything is speculation or conjecture. Your entire SP thesis is.. IMO, there is no discussion or exchange of ideas from that position and it undermines the entire purpose for this forum.

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« Reply #4079 on: November 17, 2018, 11:42:47 PM »
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It isn't normal for an American who has never been outside the US to use US/American currency. It implies a recent and significant foreign influence/experience and it could be military, doesn't have to be a foreign citizen. Cooper experienced foreign currency..

This is pure speculation. The bottom line is that it is an unusual request regardless of who you are or where you're from. To draw any conclusions is a stretch.

What we do know is that DBC had no discernible accent. That's it.

If I had to guess, I would say it's simply a phrase--if accurate--that is simply an attempt to be specific with respect to his demands. Furthermore, as those of us who are familiar with the Seattle and Vancouver, BC area in the 70s and 80s can attest, it was common for businesses in and around the area to accept currency from the other country at the current exchange rate. This was more common in Canada, but it happened in the US too.

Ridiculous. You call it speculation then proceed to speculate..

This is where this forum gets nauseating. Lack of critical thinking.

You argued for conjecture. Now reject it. Double standard or personal bias?

It would be extremely rare for an American without foreign influence/exposure to use the term US/American currency, that is very significant and denying it is denying experience, reason and logic.

95% of this case has speculation and conjecture... you can reject virtually everything if you want to apply a strict proven fact only standard. The very nature of the unsolved requires speculation and conjecture to advance it.

You claim it is extremely rare for "an American without foreign influence/exposure to use the term US/American currency" while in the US.

Okay, support your claim. You're going to have a problem defending this assertion even anecdotally.

I'm an American, have been around for 52 years, have lived in Seattle and don't buy it. Furthermore, I highly doubt my experience and perspective is devoid of reason and logic.

Oh, one more thing: My suspect is Sheridan Peterson who, in fact, spent many decades overseas. My point being, I have no bias.

I don't give a shit if you buy it or not.. MY experience, reason and logic tells me IT IS SIGNIFICANT.

My criticism of your comment is the hypocrisy.. I really don't care what you think.

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Not do we care what you think! Especially when your thoughts are scrambled, baseless, and a contradiction of everything known about languages and spoken language users, ie Linguistics.

You are an expert in your own Reich!    :rofl: