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Offline georger

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4035 on: November 15, 2018, 11:42:22 PM »
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Here's an interesting subtlety.
This is in the same 12/3/71 memo reflecting the in-depth interview of Tina
She says that she learned about the list of demands that went to the cockpit, after she had been talking to Cooper.
And that Cooper asked for "circulated" currency when talking to her ?

The fbi memo says:

During one message to the pilot, he specified that all of the previous requested items be at the airport when they landed. She later learned that the note which <redacted> had carried to the pilot contained a list of demands. He later told <redacted> that he wanted $200,000 in circulated U. S, currency, two back and two front parachutes, and fuel trucks to meet the plane when if landed at Seattle.

Notice, Tina claimed later Cooper told her "circulated U. S, currency"..

Pilots said negotiable "american" currency


That support's Cooper using American/US currency rather than added by crew AND later Tina. That indicates Cooper had a foreign influence/time outside US.

How predictable you would land on this .... I knew you would.   :rofl:

But the name is redacted!   No way to know who it was, Scaffner or Mucklow. You claim it was Mucklow!

The statement is:

During one message to the pilot, he specified that all of the previous requested items be at the airport when they landed. She later learned that the note which <Schaffner> had carried to the pilot contained a list of demands. He later told <redacted> that he wanted $200,000 in circulated U. S, currency, two back and two front parachutes, and fuel trucks to meet the plane when if landed at Seattle.

The words in play are "American/US currency" vs. "circulated U. S, currency".

The words attributed to Cooper are "circulated US currency" not "American/US currency" which is redundant.

Play it again Sam.  O0
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4036 on: November 15, 2018, 11:43:02 PM »
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Good point Flyjack.
I overlooked the emphasis on U.S. currency in Tina's interview.

that is odd, isn't it.

Bogus point .... claimed 9076 times but unproven.    :nono:

We have been over this tripe a billion times!  What seems to be escaping everyone's notice is that Cooper was trying to communicate and why: he was concerned and communicating that he wanted the ransom in an easily spendable universal form - US currency which is a universal medium of exchange, damned near anywhere. He had listed Mexico City as one possible destination. Nothing he said converts to him being a foreigner, Canadian, French Canadian, or Flyjack's specific suspect Hahnahanaemann(sp?) the Central American German hijacker drug dealer who Flyjack has suggested knew and dated Tina when Tina was in highschool in Maryland - whoa! ...

Nowhere in Cooper's words does he address Tina as "Honey, my dear"!  :o

 :chr2:

   
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4037 on: November 16, 2018, 12:00:36 AM »
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Hobby rocket engines are made of black powder pellets...

Pyrogen agents use it as well. Found 30 particles so far with potassium and sulphur. Gotta dig and analyze more.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4038 on: November 16, 2018, 12:06:39 AM »
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Hobby rocket engines are made of black powder pellets...

Pyrogen agents use it as well. Found 30 particles so far with potassium and sulphur. Gotta dig and analyze more.

Dont forget O2, H2, N2, OIII.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4039 on: November 16, 2018, 12:07:59 AM »
I think the point is:
Yes you're right georger about the universality of US currency.
So:
why specify it at all? He's in the USA. Why would he not get U.S. currency?
Why would he even think of saying "U.S." or "American"

Do you think the other hijackers specified "U.S." ?
I would think they didn't.

Cooper did. Why did he specify it? He didn't bother to specify denominations, but he specified U.S.

It's just odd.

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Good point Flyjack.
I overlooked the emphasis on U.S. currency in Tina's interview.

that is odd, isn't it.

Bogus point .... claimed 9076 times but unproven.    :nono:

We have been over this tripe a billion times!  What seems to be escaping everyone's notice is that Cooper was trying to communicate and why: he was concerned and communicating that he wanted the ransom in an easily spendable universal form - US currency which is a universal medium of exchange, damned near anywhere. He had listed Mexico City as one possible destination. Nothing he said converts to him being a foreigner, Canadian, French Canadian, or Flyjack's specific suspect Hahnahanaemann(sp?) the Central American German hijacker drug dealer who Flyjack has suggested knew and dated Tina when Tina was in highschool in Maryland - whoa! ...

Nowhere in Cooper's words does he address Tina as "Honey, my dear"!  :o

 :chr2:

   
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4040 on: November 16, 2018, 12:11:29 AM »
Georger: the whole multi-page FBI memo on that interview is available. It was done in PA if I remember correctly (I posted before on this)
It has enough info to deduce who they are talking to. The redaction doesn't matter.

But your comments are a waste...I'm not going to bother and check to prove who they were talking to.

I guess we'll never know! It's a mystery! Unsolvable mystery who they interviewed!
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4041 on: November 16, 2018, 12:46:45 AM »
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Hobby rocket engines are made of black powder pellets...

Pyrogen agents use it as well. Found 30 particles so far with potassium and sulphur. Gotta dig and analyze more.

Dont forget O2, H2, N2, OIII.

Which column did McCrone add the Hydrogen to?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4042 on: November 16, 2018, 10:36:14 AM »
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Good point Flyjack.
I overlooked the emphasis on U.S. currency in Tina's interview.

that is odd, isn't it.

Bogus point .... claimed 9076 times but unproven.    :nono:

We have been over this tripe a billion times!  What seems to be escaping everyone's notice is that Cooper was trying to communicate and why: he was concerned and communicating that he wanted the ransom in an easily spendable universal form - US currency which is a universal medium of exchange, damned near anywhere. He had listed Mexico City as one possible destination. Nothing he said converts to him being a foreigner, Canadian, French Canadian, or Flyjack's specific suspect Hahnahanaemann(sp?) the Central American German hijacker drug dealer who Flyjack has suggested knew and dated Tina when Tina was in highschool in Maryland - whoa! ...

Nowhere in Cooper's words does he address Tina as "Honey, my dear"!  :o

 :chr2:



Georger's comment is bogus and lies.... as usual. He lost this arg and can't let it go.

It was Tina.. it is unredacted. attached.

Tina claimed "US", crew said "American" that is corroboration.

There are only two possibilities, either the hijacker said it or the crew added it. If the crew was American why would they say it. Extremely unlikely BOTH the pilots added it and Tina added it later. A virtual certainty Cooper said it.


The repeated lies,

Hahneman's brother had a bank account 9 miles from Tina's school in 1968. No connection found. Strange though.

Georger keeps repeating his LIES, yes LIES for one purpose, to discredit. Time for you to stop your BS.

I have received the first FBI file and was going to post some AMAZING facts but not including Georger, I hate liars and trolls.

If anybody wants some info PM me.. but you have to keep it hushhush until I release it.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4043 on: November 16, 2018, 10:47:56 AM »
Flyjack: are you saying you have some new FBI FOIA files
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4044 on: November 16, 2018, 10:52:10 AM »
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Flyjack: are you saying you have some new FBI FOIA files

Yes, Hahneman
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4045 on: November 16, 2018, 11:11:40 AM »
heh.
so Flyjack, you know the brand of cigarettes that Hahneman asked for, (and apparently received)
not Raleigh.
Benson & Hedges.
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« Reply #4046 on: November 16, 2018, 11:19:34 AM »
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heh.
so Flyjack, you know the brand of cigarettes that Hahneman asked for, (and apparently received)
not Raleigh.
Benson & Hedges.

Did you know,
He also had a pack of Viceroy in his overcoat..
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4047 on: November 16, 2018, 11:21:33 AM »
So that means maybe Cooper smoked something other than Raleighs?
(i.e. smokers don't stick to one brand?)
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« Reply #4048 on: November 16, 2018, 11:25:02 AM »
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So that means maybe Cooper smoked something other than Raleighs?
(i.e. smokers don't stick to one brand?)

??

Viceroy and Raleigh are very similar.. different marketing.. both made by Brown & Williamson.

B&H is a high end smoke..  if you were going to Honduras you'd ask for higher brand not sold there.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4049 on: November 16, 2018, 12:42:46 PM »
Interesting tidbit... Hahneman

Hijacker exited from rear stairs, observed by second officer, hijacker walked backwards down rear staircase exiting back first..
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