Author Topic: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case (Read 3606099 times)

snowmman · « **Reply #4020 on:** November 15, 2018, 04:56:51 PM »

I just want to post this because 377 will like it.
FBI memo with report of a 243.0 Mhz transmission on 11/26/71 near Evergreen, and PDX, by a F-101 National Guard pilot.
Of course, Bruce will understand that Cooper had a 243.0 Mhz military ELF, and this was how the CIA exfil'ed him from the mission.

attached

as expected, it faded out as he was trying to get a fix with his ADF.

ELTs (Emergency Locator Transmitter) weren't mandated by US congress on all general aviation until the 70s. (121.5Mhz in 1970)
In 1972, Congressman Boggs and Begich were lost in an Alaska plane crash, which motivated changes.

First generation ELTs from 1970 to 1985 These were first generation ELTs prone to failure and false alarms.

Beacons at 121.5/243 Mhz were on military planes starting in the 1950's and 1960's

snowmman · « **Reply #4021 on:** November 15, 2018, 05:15:32 PM »

Just noticed Martin McNally is off of parole. 2016 picture of him attached. He apparently got off parole in 2016
(besides the skyjack jump, he did the escape attempt with Trapnell and Johnson via helicopter. Woman Oswald was killed during the helicopter hijack. Also part of another later attempt involving Oswald's daughter, having her do a hijack with a fake bomb and trying to spring them).

his story was crazy. Inspired by Cooper.
He lost his money bag on exit (they found the money though, and eventually him)
His skyjack (and jump) was the first and only time he's flown on a plane.
He went down the stairs on his ass!

After strapping on a pair of flight goggles, McNally donned a reserve parachute, tightening the straps around his legs and chest, just as he'd been instructed by an FBI agent during an on-the-spot lesson earlier that evening. McNally had never touched a parachute before. This would be his first jump.

Slipping a handgun into his pocket, he descended the stairs haltingly, on his butt, scooting down step-by-step into the roar of the wind.

The full long multi-page story is here...interesting read
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Forty-four years later, on a sweltering afternoon in August 2016, Martin McNally enters the Thomas Eagleton U.S. Courthouse in downtown St. Louis. He rides an elevator to the second floor and checks in at the front desk of the federal probation office.

Clean-shaven, his white hair combed and slicked back from his forehead, the 72-year-old ex-con is anticipating good things from a scheduled meeting with a federal parole supervisor. Five years out of prison, McNally is now permitted to apply for release from his permanent parole, a status that saddles him with travel restrictions and random checkups. The meeting could set the wheels of true freedom in motion.

By the time McNally had been released from a California prison in 2010, he had already spent more than half his life behind bars. He then settled into an apartment in south St. Louis, where he subsisted on disability benefits linked to an old Navy injury.

Shutter · « **Reply #4022 on:** November 15, 2018, 05:34:46 PM »

There is a video on You Tube that McNally goes through the entire hijacking. some of it is really hard to believe.

Shutter · « **Reply #4023 on:** November 15, 2018, 05:35:43 PM »

I think he put a lot of drama into his statements. similar to this video

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Shutter · « **Reply #4024 on:** November 15, 2018, 05:38:31 PM »

McNally interview is in 6 parts. I asked if they could get McNally to come onto the forum. according to Gary Jenkins McNally has been to this site but said nothing further..

Gary Jenkins 8 months ago
TheDBCooperforum I told him of your site and he already had checked it out since method me in the past. I advised him of your questions and desire that he comment on your forum. That is all I can do. Good luck with your investigation.
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FLYJACK · « **Reply #4025 on:** November 15, 2018, 07:08:20 PM »

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Here's an interesting subtlety.
This is in the same 12/3/71 memo reflecting the in-depth interview of Tina
She says that she learned about the list of demands that went to the cockpit, after she had been talking to Cooper.
And that Cooper asked for "circulated" currency when talking to her ?

The fbi memo says:

During one message to the pilot, he specified that all of the previous requested items be at the airport when they landed. She later learned that the note which <redacted> had carried to the pilot contained a list of demands. He later told <redacted> that he wanted $200,000 in circulated U. S, currency, two back and two front parachutes, and fuel trucks to meet the plane when if landed at Seattle.

Notice, Tina claimed later Cooper told her "circulated U. S, currency"..

Pilots said negotiable "american" currency

That support's Cooper using American/US currency rather than added by crew AND later Tina. That indicates Cooper had a foreign influence/time outside US.

377 · « **Reply #4026 on:** November 15, 2018, 07:50:08 PM »

Loved the radio stuff Snow. Find more please.

McCoy was clever. He correctly surmised that bailout beacons would be hidden in the rigs that Perry Stevens packed for him. They broadcast on the military emergency frequency of 243.0 MHz. McCoy tossef those beacon implanted rigs to confuse searchers, and the tactic was successful.

The latest emergency beacons use 403.0 Megahertz and have GPS data that is transmitted. Interestingly, they also are mandated to broadcast on 121.5 MHz which is the civil aircraft emergency frequency. Note that 243.0 is the first harmonic of 121.5 MHz. Just about the only people who have automatic direction finders that work in this area of the radio spectrum are military aircraft and some ships. Their ADFs operating in the military aviation band (which does not include 121.5 MHz) can pick up the harmonic on 243.0 MHz and get good bearings on it. Civil aircraft can hear the swept audio tone on 121.5 MHz but almost no civil aircraft have VHF radio direction finders.

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snowmman · « **Reply #4027 on:** November 15, 2018, 07:51:05 PM »

Good point Flyjack.
I overlooked the emphasis on U.S. currency in Tina's interview.

that is odd, isn't it.

snowmman · « **Reply #4028 on:** November 15, 2018, 07:54:05 PM »

377, I've not been cleared by the top level folks at the agency yet, but the "burp sacks" in the rigs given to Cooper were actually a new small version of military ELT's that were all hush-hush. They broadcast on 243 mhz.
They were going to be used when dropping personnel from 727's over foreign countries.

So I guess they fell out when he deployed.

This is all hush-hush, so keep this on the down low, just between you and me.

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Loved the radio stuff Snow. Find more please.

McCoy was clever. He correctly surmised that bailout beacons would be hidden in the rigs that Perry Stevens packed for him. They broadcast on the military emergency frequency of 243.0 MHz. McCoy tossef those beacon implanted rigs to confuse searchers, and the tactic was successful.

The latest emergency beacons use 403.0 Megahertz and have GPS data that is transmitted. Interestingly, they also are mandated to broadcast on 121.5 MHz which is the civil aircraft emergency frequency. Note that 243.0 is the first harmonic of 121.5 MHz. Just about the only people who have automatic direction finders that work in this area of the radio spectrum are military aircraft and some ships. Their ADFs operating in the military aviation band (which does not include 121.5 MHz) can pick up the harmonic on 243.0 MHz and get good bearings on it. Civil aircraft can hear the swept audio tone on 121.5 MHz but almost no civil aircraft have VHF radio direction finders.

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snowmman · « **Reply #4029 on:** November 15, 2018, 08:04:10 PM »

so what are you reading now...me:
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Engineeering Design Handbook, Military Pyrotechnics, Part Four
Design of Ammunition for Pyrotechnic Effects,
Headquarters, US Army Materiel Command, March 1974

I'm wondering what trace elements might exist in a helicopter if you were riding in it, and it had two door gunners that spent alternate days spraying tracer rounds, or smoke grenades or various tracking flares here and there.

Unsurelock · « **Reply #4030 on:** November 15, 2018, 08:26:01 PM »

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so what are you reading now...me:
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Engineeering Design Handbook, Military Pyrotechnics, Part Four
Design of Ammunition for Pyrotechnic Effects,
Headquarters, US Army Materiel Command, March 1974

I'm wondering what trace elements might exist in a helicopter if you were riding in it, and it had two door gunners that spent alternate days spraying tracer rounds, or smoke grenades or various tracking flares here and there.

When I get a day off I'll be reading up on road flares and hobby store rockets for starters. We can attack from two angles.

Shutter · « **Reply #4031 on:** November 15, 2018, 08:50:58 PM »

tracer rounds are typically phosphorous and magnesium.

Smoke grenade
Typical design consists of a sheet steel cylinder with four emission holes on top and one on the bottom to allow smoke release when the grenade is ignited. The filler consists of 250 to 350 grams of colored smoke composition (mostly potassium chlorate, lactose, and a dye) in virtually any color.

Shutter · « **Reply #4032 on:** November 15, 2018, 09:10:42 PM »

Hobby rocket engines are made of black powder pellets...

Shutter · « **Reply #4033 on:** November 15, 2018, 09:19:29 PM »

Flares produce their light through the combustion of a pyrotechnic composition. The ingredients are varied, but often based on strontium nitrate, potassium nitrate, or potassium perchlorate and mixed with a fuel such as charcoal, sulfur, sawdust, aluminium, magnesium, or a suitable polymeric resin.

The main ingredients of flares include strontium nitrate (which provides the color-it burns with a bright red or orange-red flame), potassium perchlorate (a powerful oxidizer, which makes the strontium burn rapidly), and magnesium (which burns very brightly).

snowmman · « **Reply #4034 on:** November 15, 2018, 10:06:02 PM »

not the more modern high power rocketry. They use all sorts of propellant. Including the same stuff as in the space shuttle boosters.

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Hobby rocket engines are made of black powder pellets...

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