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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3825 on: October 28, 2018, 12:48:47 PM »
Interesting pollution assessment at the Vietnam Armor Training facility, 2010, in Georgia

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The U.S. Geological Survey, in cooperation with the U.S. Department of the Army Environmental and Natural Resources Management Office of the U.S. Army Signal Center and Fort Gordon, Georgia, assessed the groundwater, soil gas, and soil for contaminants at the Vietnam Armor Training Facility (VATF) at Fort Gordon, from October 2009 to September 2011. The assessment included the detection of organic compounds in the groundwater and soil gas, and inorganic compounds in the soil. In addition, organic contaminant assessment included organic compounds classified as explosives and chemical agents in selected areas.

An initial investigation to study the possible contamination of the soil and groundwater at the VATF is warranted, because no historical information is available about the activities and use of the site during the Vietnam War era.

See all the element distribution found in the attached
Aluminum
Antimony
Arsenic
Barium
Beryllium
Bismuth
Cadmium
Calcium
Cerium
Cesium
Chromium
Cobalt
Copper
Gallium
Iron
Lanthanum
Lead
Lithium
Magnesium
Manganese
Molybdenum
Nickel
Niobium
Phosphorus
Potassium
Rubidium
Scandium
Silver
Sodium
Strontium
Thallium
Thorium
Titanium
Uranium
Vanadium
Yttrium
Zinc
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3826 on: October 28, 2018, 12:50:11 PM »
Arguably, "found in nature" could be modified to "found in nature after the USA bombed the hell out of it"
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3827 on: October 28, 2018, 01:06:38 PM »
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I can't find Yttrium in the spreadsheets. Where is it?

It is there under "Y", the later worksheets.. search for Y
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3828 on: October 28, 2018, 01:13:00 PM »
This is news-to-me about tie dna.

found an article where Tom is quoted about 12 donors? Tom should be asked about this. How the hell could any DNA comparisons be done if this is true?

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DNA has thus far been no help, Kaye added. Tests as early as 2002 produced more than a dozen genetic contributors on the fabric.
 

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« Reply #3829 on: October 28, 2018, 01:17:48 PM »
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This is news-to-me about tie dna.

found an article where Tom is quoted about 12 donors? Tom should be asked about this. How the hell could any DNA comparisons be done if this is true?

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DNA has thus far been no help, Kaye added. Tests as early as 2002 produced more than a dozen genetic contributors on the fabric.

yup, heard around 14. Just means you can exclude..

but if Joe Blow ex-military matched one it would be significant, not conclusive.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3830 on: October 28, 2018, 01:21:30 PM »
I'd be interested if they knew a breakdown of female vs male.

Likely all the extra DNA is from agents handling it over time though..not from Cooper's ownership
 

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« Reply #3831 on: October 28, 2018, 01:31:28 PM »
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I'd be interested if they knew a breakdown of female vs male.

Likely all the extra DNA is from agents handling it over time though..not from Cooper's ownership

yup, Lycopodium Clavatum was also used in fingerprint powder, latex glove and condom lubricant..

DOH..
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3832 on: October 28, 2018, 01:33:58 PM »
As I'm looking at the spreadsheet, I think it's been really disingenuous of Tom, to not mention the large number of particles with Ti plus other elements, and only focus on the small number of what he measured as "pure"

When you have a dominating number of Ti compounds (Ti plus other) and focus on supposed Ti-pure..it's more likely your Ti-pure measurement isn't accurate.

Alternatively he should have focused on pictures..to show Ti in a state that's man-manipulated.

I've seen some Ti chip SEM photos from end-milling Ti alloy. They were showing differences when milling with cutting fluid vs heat. They're trying to use less cutting fluid nowadays (heat instead) for environmental safety/worker safety. The idea is you want to try to preserve the cutting tools.

Photos of particles are important to decide nature vs no-nature, I think.

Also, you can't cherry-pick the distribution of pure vs not pure. Bad science.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3833 on: October 28, 2018, 01:47:37 PM »
interesting about latex gloves

Also they probably dusted for fingerprints..like the silver nitrate pollution on the bills. Wonder what they used for fingerprint dust in 1971?


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I'd be interested if they knew a breakdown of female vs male.

Likely all the extra DNA is from agents handling it over time though..not from Cooper's ownership

yup, Lycopodium Clavatum was also used in fingerprint powder, latex glove and condom lubricant..

DOH..
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3834 on: October 29, 2018, 02:25:55 AM »
The more I dig into the SEM excel files, the more I think they way they've been interpreted makes no sense.

Let's talk Palladium. It's in all the files.
Palladium is found in the rare minerals cooperite and polarite. Many more Pd minerals are known, but all of them are very rare. Palladium is also produced in nuclear fission reactors and can be extracted from spent nuclear fuel (see synthesis of precious metals), though this source for palladium is not used.

I"m looking at MA-16-550-Summary01 in Excel using the Find feature
I search matching entire cell contents for Pd ...that's Paladium (Pb is also around, that's Lead)
I see a variety of compounds

How is Paladium "explained" here? It's combined with other stuff that makes no sense to me.

Palladium is more rare than silver and gold. It's more rare than platinum.

Discovered in 1803 and named after an asteroid. The only palladium mine in the United States is the Stillwater Mine in Montana; other mines are in Canada, South Africa and Russia, the world's largest palladium producer.

Stillwater Mining's main mine in the Beartooth Mountains near Nye has been in continuous operation since 1985. The Nye mine and its sister mine on the East Boulder are the only U.S. mines producing rare platinum and palladium metals. The Stillwater platinum / palladium mine is in the Beartooth Mountains, 130km southwest of Billings, Montana, USA.

Also, everything seems dominated by silicates..combinations with Si
or calcites? combinations with Ca
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3835 on: October 29, 2018, 02:38:21 AM »
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The more I dig into the SEM excel files, the more I think they way they've been interpreted makes no sense.

I know, right? It's like somebody took a little of everything from a laboratory and rubbed it in just to make it unreadable. Like the bank robbers in The Town, with the barber shop clippings.  :conspiracy:
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3836 on: October 29, 2018, 02:48:43 AM »
Unsurelock, look at Pd and see what you think.
It's not been analyzed enough in the files.

I can't imagine why it's there.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3837 on: October 29, 2018, 03:04:29 AM »
here's the area of an older mine with Palladium in Montana

HISTORIC CONTEXT

aka Dixon

aka Spring Gulch (sub-district) aka Seepay Creek

The Revais Creek mining district is located in Sanders County south of the Flathead River and the towns of Perma and Dixon. It was also known as the Dixon district, after the town of that name located at the junction of the Jocko and Flathead Rivers.

The ore shipped from the district consists of malachite, chrysocolla, quartz, and rock carrying copper, silver, gold, platinum, and palladium. The deposits were not worked below the zone of oxidation, but some of the ore shows small residual patches of chalcopyrite, pyrite, and some bornite, the latter secondary. The gabbro dike also has a metallic content (Sahinen 1935).

The Revais Creek district is on the Flathead Indian Reservation, which was opened to location in 1904. The town of Dixon became a natural trading center for settlers. Although mining began in 1910, it was intermittent and not very profitable. Gold-copper ore was shipped from 1910 to 1925. Shipments made in 1932 and 1933 contained 0.10 to 0.50 ounces of platinum per ton (platinum was not paid for in earlier shipments). Some claims showing high-grade silver ore had been partially developed by the 1930s (Sahinen 1935).

Between 1906 and 1961 the total production of the district was 1,277 ounces gold, 5,752 ounces silver, 1,392,791 pounds copper, 22 pounds lead, and no zinc. The 9,099 tons of ore yielded $242,296 in value. There was no production recorded in the years 1906-09, 1914, 1921, 1923-24, 1926-30, 1934, 1943, and 1950-1961 (Crowley 1963).

The bedrock along the Clark Fork and Flathead River valleys between Ravalli and the Idaho boundary formed during the Precambrian era and is mostly sedimentary (Belt) formations. Much of the rock is of the Prichard formation. Glacial Lake Missoula was created about 15,000 years ago by an ice dam and covered much of the Clark Fork River valley as well as land to the east. The entire flow of the Clark Fork River backed up behind the dam, and the glacial lake reached an elevation of about 4350 feet When the ice dam failed, Glacial Lake Missoula emptied through the Clark Fork Valley in just a few days, releasing the greatest flood of known geologic record. This process occurred repeatedly, each time resulting in colossal floods. The passage of the torrents of water during the flooding scoured the narrow stretches of the valley, especially between Perma and Plains and several miles east of Thompson Falls. Exposed bedrock and sedimentary deposits provide evidence of the long - ago rushing floodwaters through the valley, as do ripple marks in Camas Prairie (Alt and Hyndman 1986).
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3838 on: October 29, 2018, 05:04:13 AM »
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The more I dig into the SEM excel files, the more I think they way they've been interpreted makes no sense.

Let's talk Palladium. It's in all the files.
Palladium is found in the rare minerals cooperite and polarite. Many more Pd minerals are known, but all of them are very rare. Palladium is also produced in nuclear fission reactors and can be extracted from spent nuclear fuel (see synthesis of precious metals), though this source for palladium is not used.

I"m looking at MA-16-550-Summary01 in Excel using the Find feature
I search matching entire cell contents for Pd ...that's Paladium (Pb is also around, that's Lead)
I see a variety of compounds

How is Paladium "explained" here? It's combined with other stuff that makes no sense to me.

Palladium is more rare than silver and gold. It's more rare than platinum.

Discovered in 1803 and named after an asteroid. The only palladium mine in the United States is the Stillwater Mine in Montana; other mines are in Canada, South Africa and Russia, the world's largest palladium producer.

Stillwater Mining's main mine in the Beartooth Mountains near Nye has been in continuous operation since 1985. The Nye mine and its sister mine on the East Boulder are the only U.S. mines producing rare platinum and palladium metals. The Stillwater platinum / palladium mine is in the Beartooth Mountains, 130km southwest of Billings, Montana, USA.

Also, everything seems dominated by silicates..combinations with Si
or calcites? combinations with Ca

Is the rest of the palladium group there, on McCrone's list?

Palladium, platinum, rhodium, ruthenium, iridium and osmium form a group of elements referred to as the platinum group metals (PGMs). These have similar chemical properties, but palladium has the lowest melting point and is the least dense of them.

What other complete element groups are there, if any? Maybe its the groups that are important.

Palladium was (still is) a key component in fuel cell production, for the military and NASA.

There is a Canadian mining-refining connection to PGM's in the Sudbury Basin and Thunder Bay District of Ontario, Canada.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3839 on: October 29, 2018, 07:00:55 AM »
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Palladium and titanium used in an Omega watch case.

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