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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3720 on: October 26, 2018, 03:01:08 PM »
In modern times, they seem to be investigating yttrium being added to titanium alloys
don't know about the '60s

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Effects of Yttrium on Mechanical Properties and Microstructures of Ti ...
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by WU He - ‎2005 - ‎Cited by 2 - ‎Related articles
The effects of rare earth (Y) on Ti-Ti5Si3 eutectic alloy are studied. The results of microstructure analysis show that the colonies and microstructures of the raw ...


Effect of yttrium addition on grain growth of α, β and α+β titanium alloys
iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1742-6596/240/1/012170/pdf
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Journal of Physics: Conference Series. Effect of yttrium addition on grain growth of α, β and α+β titanium alloys. To cite this article: B Poorganji et al 2010 J. Phys.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3721 on: October 26, 2018, 03:21:05 PM »
Another issue: finger prints vs dna. Male vs female. Maybe its time to re-test the prints in light of modern technology? At this late date who knows what the results would be. Maybe data in the prints would dovetail with data in one or more of the three dna donors?  For all anyone knows the FBI lab already did some testing in this regard?

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3722 on: October 26, 2018, 03:31:49 PM »
Uses of yttrium

Before the era of flat-screen televisions, TV sets contained large cathode ray tubes, which were large glass tubes that projected images on the screen. Yttrium oxide, doped with the element europium, provided the red color on millions of color-television sets.

Yttrium oxide (yttria) is added to zirconium oxide (zirconia) to make an alloy that stabilizes the crystal structure of zirconia, which ordinarily changes with temperature. "Essentially, yttria locks in the cubic structure of zirconia, creating a ceramic with exceptionally high toughness that is suitable for use at very high temperatures," Gambogi said. "This type of ceramic is used in a variety of applications from electronics to thermal barrier coatings on jet engines to medical implants."

Synthetic garnets made with an yttrium-aluminum composite were commonly sold in the 1970s as simulated diamonds and other gemstones, but they eventually gave way to the cubic zirconia, Gambogi said. These days, yttrium aluminum garnets (YAG) are used as the crystals that amplify light in industrial lasers. Yttrium iron garnets are used for microwave filters, as well as in radar and communication technology.

"Although yttrium is found in a multitude of applications, the largest end uses are ceramics and phosphors," Gambogi told Live Science. "Lesser amounts are used in metallurgy, glass polishing and additives, and catalysts. There also are a multitude of electronic applications, but oxygen sensors are an especially important use."

Yttrium is widely used to produce phosphors that are used in cell phones and larger display screens as well as general lighting. Yttrium in red phosphors in color television tubes led to widespread use in the 1960s and '70s. Fluorescent tubes (linear and compact) use significantly more yttrium per watt than LED bulbs.

The radioactive isotope yttrium-90 is used in radiation therapy to treat liver cancer and some other cancers.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3723 on: October 26, 2018, 03:37:43 PM »
 I've mentioned this before but it is worth repeating. I think it would be very wise to test Norman's rig which currently resides in the Washington History Museum. Norman stored his rigs in a machine shop environment and they might be the source of the materials found on the tie that Tom analyzed.  Norman did machine work for Boeing and other customers.

If Cooper was wearing the tie while he examined the rigs, the tie could've easily dragged across the rigs and picked up the materials from those rigs.

Might this be simply accomplished by Tom providing some tape or other sample material to a contact at the Washington History Museum and ask them to apply it to the rig exterior, peel it off and send it to Tom?

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3724 on: October 26, 2018, 03:39:10 PM »
The problem with copy/paste in this forum, seems to be related to non-ascii (nonprintable) chars.
I've used a technique to expose them and manually strip them, and that works.
This site purports to strip non-ascii characters from text, and may be useful for preprocessing copy/paste text that you get from pdf's or html pages, if you get the error when you try to post a copy/paste of text

Shutter: you may look at whether there's some configuration setting about non-printable ascii chars, that's causing the problem. I've never seen it on other sites. (this copy/paste problem)
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3725 on: October 26, 2018, 03:40:13 PM »
very good idea 377

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I've mentioned this before but it is worth repeating. I think it would be very wise to test Norman's rig which currently resides in the Washington History Museum. Norman stored his rigs in a machine shop environment and they might be the source of the materials found on the tie that Tom analyzed.  Norman did machine work for Boeing and other customers.

If Cooper was wearing the tie while he examined the rigs, the tie could've easily dragged across the rigs and picked up the materials from those rigs.

Might this be simply accomplished by Tom providing some tape or other sample material to a contact at the Washington History Museum and ask them to apply it to the rig exterior, peel it off and send it to Tom?

377
 

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« Reply #3726 on: October 26, 2018, 03:41:56 PM »
I am willing to loan my Cooper twenty to Tom if he wants to do some nondestructive testing and analysis on it. I know and trust Tom and Al. I'm confident they would take care in their handling of my sacred artifact. It forms the centerpiece of my Cooper shrine.

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« Reply #3727 on: October 26, 2018, 03:47:09 PM »
Since Shutter and EU like to track IPs, I'm going to post from Ontario for a while.
I'd post from China, but I'm not sure if Trump has put tariffs on internet traffic from China, yet
 

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« Reply #3728 on: October 26, 2018, 04:00:34 PM »
From the history of Exotic Metals Forming Co, founded in 1963 (corrected)
I wonder what kind of titanium flanges were used on the 727? They could have been Ti rather than alloy, due to easier machining. Although this talks about titanium apparently in sheet metal form used to create flanges?

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Don had overheard a conversation in the Boeing lobby regarding the failure of titanium sheet metal flanges on the 727 aircraft. Don, the consumate salesman, recognized this as an opportunity to utilize a manufacturing process that would revolutionize the forming of sheet metal parts. The process was axial-load bulge forming, a forming process whereby material thinning is minimized, while part configuration and properties are maximized.

As a start-up business, Exotic borrowed $800 to get underway and ordered it's first shipment of titanium sheet from Timet, leaving $1.12 in its bank account. The titanium was used by Exotic to manufacture these new flanges and prove to Boeing the potential of the technology.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3729 on: October 26, 2018, 04:06:25 PM »
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I've mentioned this before but it is worth repeating. I think it would be very wise to test Norman's rig which currently resides in the Washington History Museum. Norman stored his rigs in a machine shop environment and they might be the source of the materials found on the tie that Tom analyzed.  Norman did machine work for Boeing and other customers.

If Cooper was wearing the tie while he examined the rigs, the tie could've easily dragged across the rigs and picked up the materials from those rigs.

Might this be simply accomplished by Tom providing some tape or other sample material to a contact at the Washington History Museum and ask them to apply it to the rig exterior, peel it off and send it to Tom?

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'Norman did machine work for Boeing and other customers.'

Tom's point has always been that some of the particles represent 'production' (and possibly foundry) work vs  ordinary machine shop work. What use would Norman have for Yttrium in his shop? 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3730 on: October 26, 2018, 04:10:43 PM »
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I am willing to loan my Cooper twenty to Tom if he wants to do some nondestructive testing and analysis on it. I know and trust Tom and Al. I'm confident they would take care in their handling of my sacred artifact. It forms the centerpiece of my Cooper shrine.

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G claimed Brian told him they separated the money using liquid dish detergent.. perhaps Tom can determine the brand..
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3731 on: October 26, 2018, 04:15:06 PM »
I wonder if Yttrium might have been involved in a grinding abrasive for grinding Titanium or Titanium alloy.
Grinding Ti or Ti alloy might be hot, and need special hi-temp grinding abrasives?

 
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« Reply #3732 on: October 26, 2018, 04:40:03 PM »
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I am willing to loan my Cooper twenty to Tom if he wants to do some nondestructive testing and analysis on it. I know and trust Tom and Al. I'm confident they would take care in their handling of my sacred artifact. It forms the centerpiece of my Cooper shrine.

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G claimed Brian told him they separated the money using liquid dish detergent.. perhaps Tom can determine the brand..

That is not the full account of what I said, or what the Ingram family members said, or Ckret said, or what others said. Go back and read the thread! Or ask Tom.  :)) 
 

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« Reply #3733 on: October 26, 2018, 04:41:29 PM »
Larry Carr I think is the one responsible for these lab tests being so secretive, Citizen Sleuths
He only revealed FBI docs to his secret cabal at the time.

It's nice that the greater unwashed (me) can see FBI docs now that people like Grey (an author?) got to see in the past....although Grey got unredacted access.

It was all about kissing ass correctly back in the day, to get access.

At the seminar, it would be nice if someone would probe Tom about Yttrium and whether it was really some Yttrium compound. And if so, which.

The "science" on the latest disclosure is pretty weak. Just news releases?
Be nice to have some pictures and measurements.
Like how much Yttrium? what percentage of particles (by mass or ??)
etc.

What was the point of releasing "Yttrium" as a news release?
Tektronix was put out as a possibilty, without the full details of the Yttrium

Can't help but wonder what biases existed or whether the data is misinterpreted.
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« Reply #3734 on: October 26, 2018, 04:44:15 PM »
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Larry Carr I think is the one responsible for these lab tests being so secretive, Citizen Sleuths
He only revealed FBI docs to his secret cabal at the time.

It's nice that the greater unwashed (me) can see FBI docs now that people like Grey (an author?) got to see in the past....although Grey got unredacted access.

It was all about kissing ass correctly back in the day, to get access.

At the seminar, it would be nice if someone would probe Tom about Yttrium and whether it was really some Yttrium compound. And if so, which.

The "science" on the latest disclosure is pretty weak. Just news releases?
Be nice to have some pictures and measurements.
Like how much Yttrium? what percentage of particles (by mass or ??)
etc.

What was the point of releasing "Yttrium" as a news release?
Tektronix was put out as a possibilty, without the full details of the Yttrium

Can't help but wonder what biases existed or whether the data is misinterpreted.

well said...