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Offline Dfs346

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7515 on: October 25, 2021, 06:21:35 AM »
In this new video, Dan Gryder announces inter alia that he has done his "D. B. Cooper" jump:



He says he will post video of the jump on his channel.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7516 on: October 25, 2021, 08:26:31 PM »
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In this new video, Dan Gryder announces inter alia that he has done his "D. B. Cooper"

He says he will post video of the jump on his channel.

Or you could listen to our latest show and hear what he has to say about jumping from the 727.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7517 on: October 29, 2021, 02:35:27 AM »
Here's Dan Gryder's latest video in the D. B. Cooper series:

 

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« Reply #7518 on: October 29, 2021, 04:51:09 AM »
Dan Gryder is the real deal, expert skydiver, airline captain and DC 3 owner and instructor. But… he’s been teasing for many years about having solved Norjak. He has yet to deliver.

He’s the only person I know who has been arrested for aggravated assault (on a code enforcement officer) with a DC 3 being the assault weapon. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Since Dan kept his pilots license I imagine the matter was favorably resolved.

I predict he will not identify a particular person as DB Cooper. He kinda hinted at that outcome in Darren’s podcast. Dan does have a unique perspective being both a seasoned skydiver and a DC 9 Captain. The DC 9 is similar to the 727 in that both have rear engines and ventral airstairs. Dan is very familiar with the NORJAK airspace, airways and ATC procedures. When he talks about the Cooper flight path, I pay attention. 

I’m hoping that Dan ends the tease, but doubt that he will.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7519 on: November 03, 2021, 01:43:37 PM »
I’m always kinda amazed by how little actual knowledge people,know about what actually existed in 1971 !
I see posters mention that Cooper probably bailed somewhere between the Glen Jackson and I 5 bridges ?
The Glen Jackson Bridge construction didn’t start until 1977 and wasn’t finished until 1982 !
When I was in the Oregon Air National Guard in 1962 to 1968, the Airport only had two occupants. The ONG and PDX. In 1966, the full time occupation by the Air Force and their housing barracks were removed. I helped a good friend tear down two of the housing barracks for lumber and toilets etc. They were offered by bidding to the highest bidders. All the other businesses that you now find surrounding the Portland Airport like Best Buy and IKEA didn’t exist in 1971. Cornfoot Road was the only entrance to the airbase and it was a relatively remotely traveled road with Airbase on one side and Columbia Slew on other side of road. Main entrance to Airport was 82 ave. There was no I 205 freeway entrance or freeway yet ! Nobody seems interested in what existed in 1971 ! Us older folks who lived and knew the area back then are fast disappearing. Sad !
 
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« Reply #7520 on: November 03, 2021, 02:47:08 PM »
When I refer to the I-5 and I-205 bridges, I use it as a modern reference point, not a contemporaneous one.

I do appreciate the info about the description of that area in 1971. It was far less urban than it is now, it seems.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7521 on: November 03, 2021, 03:21:27 PM »
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I’m always kinda amazed by how little actual knowledge people,know about what actually existed in 1971 !
I see posters mention that Cooper probably bailed somewhere between the Glen Jackson and I 5 bridges ?
The Glen Jackson Bridge construction didn’t start until 1977 and wasn’t finished until 1982 !
When I was in the Oregon Air National Guard in 1962 to 1968, the Airport only had two occupants. The ONG and PDX. In 1966, the full time occupation by the Air Force and their housing barracks were removed. I helped a good friend tear down two of the housing barracks for lumber and toilets etc. They were offered by bidding to the highest bidders. All the other businesses that you now find surrounding the Portland Airport like Best Buy and IKEA didn’t exist in 1971. Cornfoot Road was the only entrance to the airbase and it was a relatively remotely traveled road with Airbase on one side and Columbia Slew on other side of road. Main entrance to Airport was 82 ave. There was no I 205 freeway entrance or freeway yet ! Nobody seems interested in what existed in 1971 ! Us older folks who lived and knew the area back then are fast disappearing. Sad !

Good post!  In addition, its safe to say the whole culture was different back then. People were different with a different outlook and knowledge base. The "communities" of Vancouver & Portland were smaller, more integrated, people knew and interacted with each other. It may be safe to say people in this area took the hijacking rather 'personally' ? Almost everyone speculated who this was and why ? One example; FBI agents at Portland and Vancouver were members of the "community" in a  literal sense. (many fished at Tena Bar on a regular basis . . . ). People knew and noticed each other. Very likely Cooper knew he needed to clear this area and leave asap ... because people would be looking for anything or anyone knew and different or out of place.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7522 on: November 03, 2021, 08:15:31 PM »
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When I refer to the I-5 and I-205 bridges, I use it as a modern reference point, not a contemporaneous one.

I do appreciate the info about the description of that area in 1971. It was far less urban than it is now, it seems.
Sorry as I certainly didn’t mean to in any way to belittle you ! I simply used it as a reference as to how things have completely changed in the last 50 years ! We are going to have some very distinguished speakers at CooperCon 2021. However how many were here as adults in the 60’s and 70’s ? I’m talking about Long time Portland residents ?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7523 on: November 03, 2021, 10:08:04 PM »
No offense taken!  I agree that it would be nice to hear some historical background on the area at the time.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7524 on: November 05, 2021, 01:46:22 PM »
Another show on the case popped up on YouTube.  It never ends.  The mystery that keeps on giving .  Good luck with the big event
 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7525 on: November 06, 2021, 07:21:26 AM »

FYI, FBI Part 64 has been out for about a week or so:

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« Reply #7526 on: November 06, 2021, 07:25:51 AM »
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Another show on the case popped up on YouTube.  It never ends.  The mystery that keeps on giving .  Good luck with the big event

Is it any good? 
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7527 on: November 06, 2021, 01:09:48 PM »
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Another show on the case popped up on YouTube.  It never ends.  The mystery that keeps on giving .  Good luck with the big event

Is it any good?

He always gets away.  Ill bet Flo is still hot?  My message to you at the big event.    "No funny business!" 
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7528 on: November 10, 2021, 08:21:23 PM »
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I do think Cooper intended to jump shortly after takeoff. Can you imagine his anxiety as that opportunity quickly passed? Everything was changing and his control of the situation was vanishing.

I prefer leisurely flights when I jump. I miss the slow rides up in DC 3s and heavily loaded Twin Beeches. I occasionally slumbered during the long rides. Once, at the World Free Fall Convention I dozed off in a slow climbing DC 3. Half an hour later, as we turned onto jump run, I was jolted awake by a gorgeous Japanese women jumper giving me a wet kiss and yelling “my husband is coming, you have to leave right now”. Laughter erupted as I bolted upright and stumbled towards the door. For the rest of the week jumpers would shout “my husband is coming” when they saw me. Embarrassing.

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Ah, now we know....
 

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« Reply #7529 on: November 10, 2021, 11:47:39 PM »
Could Bruce or someone who has all the current knowledge on the parachutes chime in on this

looking at the latest file64 from the FBI
page 129 and page 130
they are evidence inventory sheets, for evidence stored in "BER-Basement"
So they are describing physical items in the possession of the FBI on 12/21/71, acquired on 11/24/71

the page 129 file describes the reserve Cooper left on the plane
The page 130 file is problematic to me. It should be the parachute that was eventually returned to Norman Hayden.

But it makes no sense. The description is the parachute that the FBI said cooper jumped with. Not the one left behind.
So how could this parachute description be describing a physical item they have?

It says
Date 12/21/71
Source from Which Property Acquired
On board Northwest Airlines Flight #305 on landing at Reno, Nevada

One back parachute with a sage green nylon container Model NB6 (Navy back pack 6) with sage green nylon harness. This parachute which is white in color has a 26 foot (Ed. corrected with pen from original "28 foot) nylon flat circular spread with padded cushion. The pilot chute is also white.

This chute is identified officially as Pioneer Parachute Company, 26 foot rip stop conical type 226, SN 9/57. This chute was inspected and repacked 5/21/71, Riggers License #1579638, bearing the signature "E.J. Cossey, Issaquah, Wn." Also an integral part of this chute is a 24 foot rip stop made by Steinthal Mfg Company, type 60-9707, SN 7/60. This also was packed by "E.J. COSSEY" on 5/21/71.

The identification cards for this chute are contained in a packet on the back of the chute pocket labelled "Inspection and Packing Data."

This makes no sense to me, as it describes two canopies (26 foot and 24 foot). It seems to imply the canopy in the rig returned to Hayden is a 24 foot canopy?
My memory is that Hayden claimed the parachutes he had were identical. It's so bizarre that on the one hand the FBI claims Cooper jumped with a NB6, but then claims they have a NB6 in the basement that was left behind??

Why is this parachute described as a sage green Model NB6 with sage green nylon harness? By my recollection, that's not a description of the canopy that was returned to Hayden. Unless you're loose with what "sage green" means to you?

Was this description wrong? It's wrong talking about 24 foot and 26 foot canopies. Is any of the description right?
What is the 24-ft canopy? What canopy is in the rig the museum now has?
The page 129 description of the left behind reserve is less problematic, but I include it for completeness
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