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Offline Bruce A. Smith

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5835 on: December 05, 2020, 02:55:28 AM »
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Welcome to the Dark Side of Cooper World, Lynn. Heh, heh...

As for being "trailer trash," I prefer to describe my abode as reflective of my mystical inclinations and lifestyle.

so that accounts for the vampire cape you wear in your trailer on tee vee ?

That's actually my meditation cape that I use a lot outside. It's my favorite piece of clothing.

As for "vampires," you must have me confused with those Democrats who eat babies, etc., according to QAnon, which is BIG around here.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5836 on: December 05, 2020, 09:34:49 AM »
Has it ever been discussed here that DB Cooper himself, with all of his knowledge of the plane, could have actually been a disgruntled pilot himself?  Did they check pilots that had been let go back in those days? 
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5837 on: December 05, 2020, 11:10:50 AM »
Sometimes I wonder if McCoy knew Cooper.

I don't think McCoy was Cooper, although McCoy being at Vegas that night to possibly help Cooper or pick him up in a car.

Also, why does McCoy do the same exact crime as Cooper? Either he was trying to cover up for Cooper or he's a really corny, dumb criminal to do the same exact method as Cooper.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5838 on: December 05, 2020, 11:43:35 AM »
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Yeah, that second sweep was crazy, and the 302 says it took place in 1972, unless that was a typo, and the 2nd search took place on 11. 25. 71 in Sea-Tac with another group of agents.

Regardless, the plot thickens.

Bruce, that has to be a typo.  The airliner was flown back to SEATAC on the afternoon of 11-25-1971 (Thanksgiving Day).  It was repaired and back in regular service within another two days.  I believe this is discussed in the George Harrison papers.  I think Harrison also stated that he had held a regular scheduled flight between Seattle and Minneapolis and had the four members of the 305 crew on it within 15 minutes of their arrival back at SEATAC and he kept them away from the media.  The three flight crew members and the three stews then held that news conference in Minneapolis that evening.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5839 on: December 05, 2020, 02:53:58 PM »
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Yeah, that second sweep was crazy, and the 302 says it took place in 1972, unless that was a typo, and the 2nd search took place on 11. 25. 71 in Sea-Tac with another group of agents.

Regardless, the plot thickens.

Bruce, that has to be a typo.  The airliner was flown back to SEATAC on the afternoon of 11-25-1971 (Thanksgiving Day).  It was repaired and back in regular service within another two days.  I believe this is discussed in the George Harrison papers.  I think Harrison also stated that he had held a regular scheduled flight between Seattle and Minneapolis and had the four members of the 305 crew on it within 15 minutes of their arrival back at SEATAC and he kept them away from the media.  The three flight crew members and the three stews then held that news conference in Minneapolis that evening.

Well, here we go again - its another FLYJACK manufactured case file summary mystery solved!

FJ just loves to fuck things up! Heeez over at DZ right now claiming there are no viable prints in the NORJAK case. And once again he is using pages out of "case file summaries" to make his case. In spite of the fact 'case file summaries' are notoriously inaccurate, as also proclaimed by FLYJACK HIMSELF! This is FLYJACK'S infamous shell game. He claims that files are inaccurate one day, then claims they are factual the next day. Whatever suits his need of the day. He doesnt hesitate to use a file to his advantage when it suits him, then charges others with "stupidity and lack of integrity", the next day. He makes a claim one day then changes positions saying he never said what he clearly said or implied, the day before.

So, let's examine DC Cooper file 8571. This page is actually: page 175 in Part 26. Tagged DB Cooper 8571 in the NORJAK file system - see bottom of the page. This page is page 2 in an 8 page case summary [8570-8576] created for distribution on 5/30/1972. So, DB Cooper 8571 is [D.B. Cooper Part 26 of 26-175 DC 8571] in my file system. The source is redacted. The recipient is: SAC, Seattle (164-81 P).

Is every word in this 8 page case summary literally true on the day the summary is being prepared? Probably not. These case summaries are prepared to give the best information estimates possible on the day they are prepared by somebody. None of these case file summaries are THE WORD OF GOD! And FLYJACK knows that! It's all a shell game with FJ. Here one second, moved the next. Wait five minutes and the claim(s) will move.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5840 on: December 05, 2020, 06:05:55 PM »
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Yeah, that second sweep was crazy, and the 302 says it took place in 1972, unless that was a typo, and the 2nd search took place on 11. 25. 71 in Sea-Tac with another group of agents.

Regardless, the plot thickens.

Bruce, that has to be a typo.  The airliner was flown back to SEATAC on the afternoon of 11-25-1971 (Thanksgiving Day).  It was repaired and back in regular service within another two days.  I believe this is discussed in the George Harrison papers.  I think Harrison also stated that he had held a regular scheduled flight between Seattle and Minneapolis and had the four members of the 305 crew on it within 15 minutes of their arrival back at SEATAC and he kept them away from the media.  The three flight crew members and the three stews then held that news conference in Minneapolis that evening.

That's what I'm thinking, typo. Hellava typo, though.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5841 on: December 05, 2020, 11:53:37 PM »
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Yeah, that second sweep was crazy, and the 302 says it took place in 1972, unless that was a typo, and the 2nd search took place on 11. 25. 71 in Sea-Tac with another group of agents.

Regardless, the plot thickens.

Bruce, that has to be a typo.  The airliner was flown back to SEATAC on the afternoon of 11-25-1971 (Thanksgiving Day).  It was repaired and back in regular service within another two days.  I believe this is discussed in the George Harrison papers.  I think Harrison also stated that he had held a regular scheduled flight between Seattle and Minneapolis and had the four members of the 305 crew on it within 15 minutes of their arrival back at SEATAC and he kept them away from the media.  The three flight crew members and the three stews then held that news conference in Minneapolis that evening.

That's what I'm thinking, typo. Hellava typo, though.

Its not a typo - its misinformation. Simple. I explained the context! Go read for yourself and look at the CONTEXT! The context is an eight page case summary - one of hundreds-thousands spun out during Norjack. .............................. we've discussed this be4.

These case summaries are like Betty Crocker Shake n Bake.  You get what's in the box.  Its not a typo.  People snatched whatever they had at the time and put it in the box. Facts could be corrected later if need be. Its a mistake to take these summaries as THE WORD --- OF GOD!  :-\  Otherwise just claim a redaction in addition to a typo! A clandestine seed sown way back then to mislead DBCooper Forum readers in .... 2020! What insight these Cooper scribes must have had in 1972-3! Maybe there is a west path buried in there somewhere. So read every word carefully!  ;D   

These case summaries keep FLYJACK fueled and give him a living at Dropzone.  He could post 20,000 authoritative claims using them. :rofl: 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5842 on: December 06, 2020, 03:30:25 PM »
May 1972 Case Summary:  (Part 26 - DBC 8570-8577) is an early case summary put together in May 1972, to help Agents investigate the case. It's purpose and presumed 'validity' are clearly stated at the end of the summary. This document is intended to be a guide as opposed to a unimpeachable statement of case facts, to wit:

Closing Note to this Case Summary*   “ Above ‘suggestions’ have been set forth in hopes that investigative efforts of this important major case might be implemented and brought to an early logical conclusion.”

Topics covered include:

Physical Evidence: Black snap on tie and Tie Tac.
Artist’s Sketch – Description
Experiment with Air Stairs
Descriptive Data: Matchbook Cover, Olive or Latin Complexion, Interviews with Key Witnesses,
Airport, Fly Groups, Flight Clubs, Parachute Clubs
Explosive Device
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The topic of a flight path and dropzone are not mentioned in this case summary.

You might find and read this document because FLYJACK is using statements in this single document to make wide sweeping claims about Cooper case facts, in support of his suspect: Hahneman ... for one FJ is now claiming there are no viable prints for DB Cooper in the Cooper case! And that, quoting FJ: "Cooper was described universally as Latin/Mexican in features and appearance. To claim otherwise is dishonest."

To make such sweeping statements as FLYJACK is making, is probably an error!  ;)
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5843 on: December 06, 2020, 04:17:17 PM »
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May 1972 Case Summary:  (Part 26 - DBC 8570-8577) is an early case summary put together in May 1972, to help Agents investigate the case. It's purpose and presumed 'validity' are clearly stated at the end of the summary. This document is intended to be a guide as opposed to a unimpeachable statement of case facts, to wit:

Closing Note to this Case Summary*   “ Above ‘suggestions’ have been set forth in hopes that investigative efforts of this important major case might be implemented and brought to an early logical conclusion.”

Topics covered include:

Physical Evidence: Black snap on tie and Tie Tac.
Artist’s Sketch – Description
Experiment with Air Stairs
Descriptive Data: Matchbook Cover, Olive or Latin Complexion, Interviews with Key Witnesses,
Airport, Fly Groups, Flight Clubs, Parachute Clubs
Explosive Device
Hijacker Profile

The topic of a flight path and dropzone are not mentioned in this case summary.

You might find and read this document because FLYJACK is using statements in this single document to make wide sweeping claims about Cooper case facts, in support of his suspect: Hahneman ... for one FJ is now claiming there are no viable prints for DB Cooper in the Cooper case! And that, quoting FJ: "Cooper was described universally as Latin/Mexican in features and appearance. To claim otherwise is dishonest."

To make such sweeping statements as FLYJACK is making, is probably an error!  ;)

Nevertheless, the 11-25-1972 date is a type and should be 11-25-1971.
 

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« Reply #5844 on: December 06, 2020, 11:37:17 PM »
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May 1972 Case Summary:  (Part 26 - DBC 8570-8577) is an early case summary put together in May 1972, to help Agents investigate the case. It's purpose and presumed 'validity' are clearly stated at the end of the summary. This document is intended to be a guide as opposed to a unimpeachable statement of case facts, to wit:

Closing Note to this Case Summary*   “ Above ‘suggestions’ have been set forth in hopes that investigative efforts of this important major case might be implemented and brought to an early logical conclusion.”

Topics covered include:

Physical Evidence: Black snap on tie and Tie Tac.
Artist’s Sketch – Description
Experiment with Air Stairs
Descriptive Data: Matchbook Cover, Olive or Latin Complexion, Interviews with Key Witnesses,
Airport, Fly Groups, Flight Clubs, Parachute Clubs
Explosive Device
Hijacker Profile

The topic of a flight path and dropzone are not mentioned in this case summary.

You might find and read this document because FLYJACK is using statements in this single document to make wide sweeping claims about Cooper case facts, in support of his suspect: Hahneman ... for one FJ is now claiming there are no viable prints for DB Cooper in the Cooper case! And that, quoting FJ: "Cooper was described universally as Latin/Mexican in features and appearance. To claim otherwise is dishonest."

To make such sweeping statements as FLYJACK is making, is probably an error!  ;)

Nevertheless, the 11-25-1972 date is a type and should be 11-25-1971.
You made a typo. I think you meant typo, ?

You could look for the same or very similar case summary that has a 11-25-1971 date. Ask FLYJACK. 

A check finds multi page case summaries on: 11/24/71, 11/25/71, 11/29/71, 11/30/71, 12/7/71 .... take your pick. As I already said it was early in the case and facts etc were flexible ... changing.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5845 on: December 07, 2020, 11:39:36 AM »
Does anyone here think McCoy knew Cooper?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5846 on: December 07, 2020, 04:45:05 PM »
I think it's possible. No direct evidence, though.
 

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« Reply #5847 on: December 07, 2020, 05:31:24 PM »
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I think it's possible. No direct evidence, though.

No indirect evidence either!  ;)  No evidence - period.
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« Reply #5848 on: December 07, 2020, 05:36:40 PM »
Fingerprints, Redux

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Thanks to all who helped with the research, and sending me so many files. I salute you and your eyeballs!
 

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« Reply #5849 on: December 07, 2020, 05:39:33 PM »
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I think it's possible. No direct evidence, though.

No indirect evidence either!  ;)  No evidence - period.

Well, that's not entirely accurate. Here's some of the indirect evidence:

1. McCoy was in Las Vegas on Nov. 23 and 25, 1971. His presence there was a secret.
2. He returned from LV with about 6 grand, and took his family on an unexpected vacation to North Carolina to see family.
3. McCoy is a known - and convicted - skyjacker, using techniques identical to DBC.