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Offline Shutter

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4155 on: November 19, 2018, 08:03:13 PM »
In this photo from the movie "The Pursuit Of DB Cooper" shows the stuntman long after he left the stairs and they are in the open position. a little more than with flight 305..the movie jump was at 150 knots while 305 was at 170 knots.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4156 on: November 19, 2018, 09:00:39 PM »
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yeah it's interesting that when he wanted cord, he cut the 2nd reserve. not the 2nd back rig

I guess it could have just been a random choice

Maybe if he was a skydiver, in this mind the back rig was higher value, and he didn't want to destroy it? Cut up the obviously less worthy chest reserve?

Cooper may have acted assuming the chutes could have beepers.. leave two on the plane and throw out the other front reserve.. split them up..

That's the best thought I've heard so far on opening the chute. His primary reason for doing so may have been inspection.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4157 on: November 19, 2018, 09:16:43 PM »
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yeah it's interesting that when he wanted cord, he cut the 2nd reserve. not the 2nd back rig

I guess it could have just been a random choice

Maybe if he was a skydiver, in this mind the back rig was higher value, and he didn't want to destroy it? Cut up the obviously less worthy chest reserve?

Cooper may have acted assuming the chutes could have beepers.. leave two on the plane and throw out the other front reserve.. split them up..

That's the best thought I've heard so far on opening the chute. His primary reason for doing so may have been inspection.

I'm not saying the wind blew off the placard. Cooper could of ripped it off and tossed it on the stairs or even out the stairs. could of been frustrated not understanding the stairs not going down.

Correct, not much wind came into the plane but I'm sure wind was detected on the stairs. not a whole lot since the wind went around them.

were the beepers set up to start once the chute was deployed?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4158 on: November 19, 2018, 09:26:56 PM »
For Hahneman,  don't know when beepers actually activate. He did rip apart a parachute and knew they were there.

ADVISED MILITARY PURSUIT PLANES FOLLOWED HI-JACKED AIRCRAFT FOR APPROXIMATELY EIGHTY MILES OVER GULF OF MEXICO BEFORE TURNING BACK.         
PLANES DID NOT PURSUE HI-JACKED AIRCRAFT FURTHER SINCE RADAR CONTROL UNAVAILABLE AFTER LEAVING MAINLAND.

THE "BEEPER" IN PARACHUTE PACK HAS APPROXIMATE RANGE OF FIFTEEN MILES AND ARE CONTINUALLY OPERATIVE FOR AT LEAST TWENTY FOUR HOUR PERIOD AFTER ACTIVATION; THEREFORE, NO PURSUIT PLANES WERE WITHIN RANGE OF BEEPER AND AIRCRAFT NOT EQUIPPED WITH, NECESSARY EQUIPMENT TO MONITOR BEEPER. HI-JACKER REPORTEDLY MADE COMMENT THAT HE WAS APPRECIATIVE OF BEEPER INASMUCH AS SAME WOULD AID HIS MEN ON THE GROUND.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4159 on: November 19, 2018, 09:31:09 PM »
2009 about McCoy hijacking I believe...

Being a radio nut I am curious what kind of transmitters the FBI had Perry put into the chutes and what turned them on. If they were USAF bailout beacons like the URT 21 or URT 33, they would have to be turned on when packed as the sport rigs don't have the right hardware to activate them on chute deployment. Four turned on beacons on the military distress frequency of 243.0 Mhz would raise quite a fuss as the flight progressed. Civilian aircraft are not equipped with UHF AM radios and would not hear the transmitters. If they were some sort of FBI bugging transmitter those were usually VHF FM and on frequencies outside the coverage of both civilian and military aircraft.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4160 on: November 19, 2018, 09:33:52 PM »
It's a good thought but why not throw out the rest of the chutes prior to jumping as McCoy did?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4161 on: November 19, 2018, 09:39:08 PM »
Interesting. McCoy used a reserve with an AAD in fear of a tail strike. he couldn't of been Cooper if he was worried about striking the tail on the way out.
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« Reply #4162 on: November 19, 2018, 10:03:51 PM »
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yeah it's interesting that when he wanted cord, he cut the 2nd reserve. not the 2nd back rig

I guess it could have just been a random choice

Maybe if he was a skydiver, in this mind the back rig was higher value, and he didn't want to destroy it? Cut up the obviously less worthy chest reserve?

Cooper may have acted assuming the chutes could have beepers.. leave two on the plane and throw out the other front reserve.. split them up..

That's the best thought I've heard so far on opening the chute. His primary reason for doing so may have been inspection.

It actually makes no sense. What the hell's he going to do if he finds a beeper? Not jump. What then?

He opened the reserve in an attempt to store the ransom. When that didn't work he opened the other reserve to cannibalize the shroud lines. It's as straight forward as that.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4163 on: November 19, 2018, 10:08:11 PM »
Cooper only opened one chute as far as any evidence shows. zero proof he opened the dummy chute?
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« Reply #4164 on: November 19, 2018, 10:12:52 PM »
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Cooper only opened one chute as far as any evidence shows. zero proof he opened the dummy chute?

Yes, that's correct. My theory is that the first reserve he opened was the dummy (in an attempt to secure the ransom). This also ties in with Sheridan's comment about the dummy reserve being daisy-chained.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4165 on: November 19, 2018, 10:16:58 PM »
even though he was seen tying it to his body?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4166 on: November 19, 2018, 10:19:08 PM »
nothing was different with the dummy chute other than the panels being sewn chute for quick packing. no need for daisy chaining something you use over and over in a days time?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4167 on: November 19, 2018, 10:23:58 PM »
Why would you do this multiple times while teaching?

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« Reply #4168 on: November 19, 2018, 10:33:01 PM »
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nothing was different with the dummy chute other than the panels being sewn chute for quick packing. no need for daisy chaining something you use over and over in a days time?

This is one of those critical details that everyone here seems quick to ignore but I consider vitally important.

All I know is that Sheridan told the FBI during his 2003 interview that the dummy-reserve was daisy-chained. I have one very simple question: How could he possibly have known that?

That said, another great question would be: Why did you say that it was daisy-chained? I mean, who among us, when being interviewed by the FBI if we're suspects of anything, would make that kind of statement?

For example, if the cops questioned you about a car that was stolen would you say "it had an Alpine stereo system in it" just for the hell of it? Even if the cops weren't sure the car had an Alpine stereo system in it you think they would ask him why he would say that it did and how he could possibly know this?

Remember, this is why law enforcement asks suspects questions...because they know if the person is guilty, they eventually will say something that they shouldn't. This is what happened with Sheridan, yet everyone gives the guy a pass. At a minimum people need to ask him WHY?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4169 on: November 19, 2018, 10:40:51 PM »
It's only critical if it was proven true. people say all kinds of things for all kinds of reasons. can anyone verify Cossey often did this or how popular it was?
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