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Offline Shutter

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4140 on: November 19, 2018, 06:48:12 PM »
The first attempt of using the other front chute failed, so why try again with another front?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4141 on: November 19, 2018, 06:48:17 PM »
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we don't have any FBI memos on the placard. I believe they couldn't definitely say it came from the 727?

But I suppose no other plane should have been flying with the airstairs open. So it's hard to come up with any other plausible aircraft source for the placard?

Just wondering about the certainity of the placard being tied to Cooper's plane.

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The placard came out well before the "oscillation", that suggests the aft stairs were opened enough for stuff to get out.. or be thrown.

The found placard came from the small secondary emergency release door which completely detaches when accessing the control.. Those were options on 727's and not common.

"There isn't any way that it could have come off a plane without the door being opened," Cowlitz County's Sheriff, Les Nelson, said. "We know that two days after Cooper jumped that the placard was missing off the plane.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4142 on: November 19, 2018, 06:49:09 PM »
yeah it's interesting that when he wanted cord, he cut the 2nd reserve. not the 2nd back rig

I guess it could have just been a random choice

Maybe if he was a skydiver, in this mind the back rig was higher value, and he didn't want to destroy it? Cut up the obviously less worthy chest reserve?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4143 on: November 19, 2018, 06:50:02 PM »
Again, it all depends on where he tossed items out. I'm not saying he didn't take the money with him, but if he was smart he would of lightened the load to only things needed to complete the task.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4144 on: November 19, 2018, 06:50:26 PM »
okay thanks Flyjack. I had forgotten whether they knew Cooper's 727 lost a placard.

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The found placard came from the small secondary emergency release door which completely detaches when accessing the control.. Those were options on 727's and not common.

"There isn't any way that it could have come off a plane without the door being opened," Cowlitz County's Sheriff, Les Nelson, said. "We know that two days after Cooper jumped that the placard was missing off the plane.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4145 on: November 19, 2018, 06:52:14 PM »
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The found placard came from the small secondary emergency release door which completely detaches when accessing the control.. Those were options on 727's and not common.

"There isn't any way that it could have come off a plane without the door being opened," Cowlitz County's Sheriff, Les Nelson, said. "We know that two days after Cooper jumped that the placard was missing off the plane.

When the stairs are released they drop almost 3 feet. plenty of room for things to get out. if he threw it towards the bottom of the stairs it would find it's way out...
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4146 on: November 19, 2018, 06:52:19 PM »
I think having the placard flutter out, doesn't say that the stairs were open enough for Cooper to reliably toss out a reserve and attache case.

The airstairs could have been barely open, and the wind might have sucked out a damaged placard ...I guess the assumption is that the wind broke the plastic placard and released it out?
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« Reply #4147 on: November 19, 2018, 06:53:45 PM »
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yeah it's interesting that when he wanted cord, he cut the 2nd reserve. not the 2nd back rig

I guess it could have just been a random choice

Maybe if he was a skydiver, in this mind the back rig was higher value, and he didn't want to destroy it? Cut up the obviously less worthy chest reserve?

Cooper may have acted assuming the chutes could have beepers.. leave two on the plane and throw out the other front reserve.. split them up..
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4148 on: November 19, 2018, 06:53:54 PM »
where did you get the info that the airstairs drop 3 feet?
It depends on airspeed. You're saying that at  cooper's airspeed, the airstairs don't get pushed shut, they hang 3 feet down?

There's no hydraulics. On the ground, it's gravity pulling it down, right? Nothing pushes it down?

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When the stairs are released they drop almost 3 feet. plenty of room for things to get out. if he threw it towards the bottom of the stairs it would find it's way out...
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4149 on: November 19, 2018, 06:54:48 PM »
Yeah, assuming there were beepers would make sense

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yeah it's interesting that when he wanted cord, he cut the 2nd reserve. not the 2nd back rig

I guess it could have just been a random choice

Maybe if he was a skydiver, in this mind the back rig was higher value, and he didn't want to destroy it? Cut up the obviously less worthy chest reserve?

Cooper may have acted assuming the chutes could have beepers.. leave two on the plane and throw out the other front reserve.. split them up..
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4150 on: November 19, 2018, 07:05:10 PM »
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I think having the placard flutter out, doesn't say that the stairs were open enough for Cooper to reliably toss out a reserve and attache case.

The airstairs could have been barely open, and the wind might have sucked out a damaged placard ...I guess the assumption is that the wind broke the plastic placard and released it out?

I don't think the wind broke off the placard door.. that placard was attached (rivets/screws) to a slightly larger emergency access door at the top of the stairs that completely separates when accessed. In fact, that door is probably still out in the woods somewhere. I believe Cooper removed it when he was initially struggling to get the stairs down. The crack/opening would be small and at the end. I thought I read that there would be no suction but it could have made its way out on its own but seems unlikely.

I bet he threw the stuff out when the placard left the plane.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4151 on: November 19, 2018, 07:19:37 PM »
Hahneman got six parachutes, they had beepers and he knew it (witnesses). One opened chute in pieces was found on the plane, he must have tossed the others.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4152 on: November 19, 2018, 07:40:25 PM »
I don't have the document handy but they do tell how many inches they drop. they estimated (Soderlind) that they were extended at around 20 degree's at 7:43. Boeing made a document explain this I just need to find it.

During the testing they would not drop further than 20 degree's due to the action of the air stream..
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4153 on: November 19, 2018, 07:42:31 PM »
Air Force capt. Wilson explains that the sleds were around 230 lbs.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4154 on: November 19, 2018, 07:50:54 PM »
This photo is probably close to where the stairs would be with no weight on them..open enough for something small to get out.
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