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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1320 on: December 04, 2016, 11:58:31 PM »
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Five cords on the pink parachute had cut lines:
Line #7 had 186 ¾ inches of cord removed
Line #11 had 169 ¾ inches of cord removed
Line #12 had 169 inches of cord removed
Line #15 had 213 inches of cord removed
Line #22 had 217 ¼ inches of cord removed

The length of an uncut cord (including the double-sewn cord used to tie into the cross-connector, the bundle of cords located between the butterfly snap-hook rings in the reserve container) is 218 inches (or 18.2 feet).
Exactly how much suspension line is currently missing from the pink parachute?
955 ¾ inches (or 79.6 feet).

Shutter, your listed numbers add up tp the 79.65 feet that are missing.  So it is a safe assumption that Cooper used those 79.65 feet in securing the money bag to himself and possibly other uses.  I think the shroud lines are rated at 550 pounds strength.  Cooper could have tied the money bag securely to himself with this much line and that discounts the idea that he lost the money in the jump.
 

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« Reply #1321 on: December 05, 2016, 05:33:43 AM »
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"Snowmman, Sluggo, Farflung and other pilots familiar with the 727 questioned Bruces'/Rataczak's claim. Pilots in particular stated that such a request was highly "redundant" for any pilot (or anyone else professionally familiar with the 727) to make. Farflung said, "It's not something any pilot would ever say. It's like asking for the bay doors down after you have already asked for the wheels down!". Farflung's reading of Cooper's avionic requests was that there was a high degree of redundancy throughout his requests concerning the plane; not something any pilot or person familiar with the plane on a professional level would ever do, or say. Farflung couldn't understand why Rataczak would think Cooper was some kind of expert, unless Rataczak was under stress and not thinking straight."

--What do we mean by "redundant"? That the flaps have to be down at 15d for the gear to be down? Because this is not true. And neither is the reverse.

"Second, it is possible that the different airlines that flew the 727 specified different flap settings for the same indent position.  So Cooper specifying 15 degrees flaps may only be coincidental to the NWA flap indent positions."

--Very unlikely.

Jul 6, 2011, 3:27 PM
Post #24479 of 58140 (54485

Above is the date of Farflung's post about redundancy. R99 followed with his own evaluation of Cooper's experience such as :  "In my humble opinion, Cooper appeared to have some specific KNOWLEDGE of the 727 systems but didn't seem to have any appreciable EXPERIENCE with those systems. At least in part, this could have been determined from the aircraft manuals as you say." R99's post followed Farflung's on Jul 6, 2011, 4:29 PM  Post #24481 of 58140.

There was a long discussion about Cooper's competence etc during this period at DZ. Hope you can find these posts to read for yourself and come to your own conclusions -
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« Reply #1322 on: December 05, 2016, 12:44:39 PM »
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Five cords on the pink parachute had cut lines:
Line #7 had 186 ¾ inches of cord removed
Line #11 had 169 ¾ inches of cord removed
Line #12 had 169 inches of cord removed
Line #15 had 213 inches of cord removed
Line #22 had 217 ¼ inches of cord removed

The length of an uncut cord (including the double-sewn cord used to tie into the cross-connector, the bundle of cords located between the butterfly snap-hook rings in the reserve container) is 218 inches (or 18.2 feet).
Exactly how much suspension line is currently missing from the pink parachute?
955 ¾ inches (or 79.6 feet).

Shutter, your listed numbers add up tp the 79.65 feet that are missing.  So it is a safe assumption that Cooper used those 79.65 feet in securing the money bag to himself and possibly other uses.  I think the shroud lines are rated at 550 pounds strength.  Cooper could have tied the money bag securely to himself with this much line and that discounts the idea that he lost the money in the jump.

I don't think you can fairly say that just because the rope was strong enough that it discounts the idea that he lost the money in the jump. He still had to tie it to himself, and who knows how good of a job he did with his knot. He still had to secure the rope to the bag and then also secure the rope and bag to himself and who knows how tightly and efficiently he did that. Yes, he had rope that was both strong enough and long enough to do the job. But there's just no way you can say that he definitely did not lose the money during the jump just based on that alone (and the $5,800 found in the sand would support that). Rock climbers fall to their deaths despite having rope that is both long enough and strong enough to get to the top.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1323 on: December 05, 2016, 01:37:05 PM »
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Five cords on the pink parachute had cut lines:
Line #7 had 186 ¾ inches of cord removed
Line #11 had 169 ¾ inches of cord removed
Line #12 had 169 inches of cord removed
Line #15 had 213 inches of cord removed
Line #22 had 217 ¼ inches of cord removed

The length of an uncut cord (including the double-sewn cord used to tie into the cross-connector, the bundle of cords located between the butterfly snap-hook rings in the reserve container) is 218 inches (or 18.2 feet).
Exactly how much suspension line is currently missing from the pink parachute?
955 ¾ inches (or 79.6 feet).

Shutter, your listed numbers add up tp the 79.65 feet that are missing.  So it is a safe assumption that Cooper used those 79.65 feet in securing the money bag to himself and possibly other uses.  I think the shroud lines are rated at 550 pounds strength.  Cooper could have tied the money bag securely to himself with this much line and that discounts the idea that he lost the money in the jump.

I don't think you can fairly say that just because the rope was strong enough that it discounts the idea that he lost the money in the jump. He still had to tie it to himself, and who knows how good of a job he did with his knot. He still had to secure the rope to the bag and then also secure the rope and bag to himself and who knows how tightly and efficiently he did that. Yes, he had rope that was both strong enough and long enough to do the job. But there's just no way you can say that he definitely did not lose the money during the jump just based on that alone (and the $5,800 found in the sand would support that). Rock climbers fall to their deaths despite having rope that is both long enough and strong enough to get to the top.

I always wondered if they checked the parachute cord for DNA.
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« Reply #1324 on: December 05, 2016, 02:31:22 PM »
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Five cords on the pink parachute had cut lines:
Line #7 had 186 ¾ inches of cord removed
Line #11 had 169 ¾ inches of cord removed
Line #12 had 169 inches of cord removed
Line #15 had 213 inches of cord removed
Line #22 had 217 ¼ inches of cord removed

The length of an uncut cord (including the double-sewn cord used to tie into the cross-connector, the bundle of cords located between the butterfly snap-hook rings in the reserve container) is 218 inches (or 18.2 feet).
Exactly how much suspension line is currently missing from the pink parachute?
955 ¾ inches (or 79.6 feet).

Shutter, your listed numbers add up tp the 79.65 feet that are missing.  So it is a safe assumption that Cooper used those 79.65 feet in securing the money bag to himself and possibly other uses.  I think the shroud lines are rated at 550 pounds strength.  Cooper could have tied the money bag securely to himself with this much line and that discounts the idea that he lost the money in the jump.

I don't think you can fairly say that just because the rope was strong enough that it discounts the idea that he lost the money in the jump. He still had to tie it to himself, and who knows how good of a job he did with his knot. He still had to secure the rope to the bag and then also secure the rope and bag to himself and who knows how tightly and efficiently he did that. Yes, he had rope that was both strong enough and long enough to do the job. But there's just no way you can say that he definitely did not lose the money during the jump just based on that alone (and the $5,800 found in the sand would support that). Rock climbers fall to their deaths despite having rope that is both long enough and strong enough to get to the top.

Here's the point.  The money plus the money bag weighed less than 25 pounds.  A four foot section of the shroud line should easily wrap around the entire money bag.  The result is that the money bag could have been wrapped up to 20 times with the shroud lines.  But with proper securing, the money bag could survive a 20+ g-load opening shock (assuming he had an open parachute, which I don't believe he did) with a single four foot shroud line.  But adding another 16 feet of shroud line means Cooper could have wrapped the money bag three or more additional times and tied it to his harness.  A 12 year old boy scout could secure that money bag sufficiently to prevent it separating from Cooper.

 The end result of the above is that, in my opinion, it is beyond belief that the money separated from Cooper during the jump even with a violent parachute opening (which, again, I don't think happened).  I put the probability of losing the money bag during the jump as zero.
 

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« Reply #1325 on: December 05, 2016, 03:27:39 PM »
Regardless of how much paracord Cooper harvested before jumping I think there is strong evidence that he lost at least some of the loot in the jump. Thieves almost never throw away substantial amounts of (real) money. Melvin Wilson did dispose of currency but it was fake.

I had always been skeptical bout Brian's fortuitous currency and wonddered about the possible role of his folks very subtly suggesting his dig site. The unearthing of a currency chard field feet below the found bills rules out a plant by Brian's folks or their cohorts. So I think it was lost not deliberately planted by anyone.

Dacron suspension line material has some shock absorbing stretch to it and IMO it's unlikely that it would break during the canopy opening or a tumble with only the weight of the money at the other end. All bets are off it it was rubbing against something during a tumble and abraded.

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« Reply #1326 on: December 05, 2016, 03:53:50 PM »
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Regardless of how much paracord Cooper harvested before jumping I think there is strong evidence that he lost at least some of the loot in the jump. Thieves almost never throw away substantial amounts of (real) money. Melvin Wilson did dispose of currency but it was fake.

I had always been skeptical bout Brian's fortuitous currency and wonddered about the possible role of his folks very subtly suggesting his dig site. The unearthing of a currency chard field feet below the found bills rules out a plant by Brian's folks or their cohorts. So I think it was lost not deliberately planted by anyone.

Dacron suspension line material has some shock absorbing stretch to it and IMO it's unlikely that it would break during the canopy opening or a tumble with only the weight of the money at the other end. All bets are off it it was rubbing against something during a tumble and abraded.

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Here are a couple of additional factors to consider.  If a portion of the money was lost during the descent, under canopy or otherwise, it would have been widely dispersed and those three bundles would not be touching.  In addition, that money would be visible on the beach the next day and the regular Tina Bar fishermen (fisherpersons?) would have seen it.  Further, how did the fragments get buried below the bundles?
 

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Five cords on the pink parachute had cut lines:
Line #7 had 186 ¾ inches of cord removed
Line #11 had 169 ¾ inches of cord removed
Line #12 had 169 inches of cord removed
Line #15 had 213 inches of cord removed
Line #22 had 217 ¼ inches of cord removed

The length of an uncut cord (including the double-sewn cord used to tie into the cross-connector, the bundle of cords located between the butterfly snap-hook rings in the reserve container) is 218 inches (or 18.2 feet).
Exactly how much suspension line is currently missing from the pink parachute?
955 ¾ inches (or 79.6 feet).

Shutter, your listed numbers add up tp the 79.65 feet that are missing.  So it is a safe assumption that Cooper used those 79.65 feet in securing the money bag to himself and possibly other uses.  I think the shroud lines are rated at 550 pounds strength.  Cooper could have tied the money bag securely to himself with this much line and that discounts the idea that he lost the money in the jump.

I don't think you can fairly say that just because the rope was strong enough that it discounts the idea that he lost the money in the jump. He still had to tie it to himself, and who knows how good of a job he did with his knot. He still had to secure the rope to the bag and then also secure the rope and bag to himself and who knows how tightly and efficiently he did that. Yes, he had rope that was both strong enough and long enough to do the job. But there's just no way you can say that he definitely did not lose the money during the jump just based on that alone (and the $5,800 found in the sand would support that). Rock climbers fall to their deaths despite having rope that is both long enough and strong enough to get to the top.

Here's the point.  The money plus the money bag weighed less than 25 pounds.  A four foot section of the shroud line should easily wrap around the entire money bag.  The result is that the money bag could have been wrapped up to 20 times with the shroud lines.  But with proper securing, the money bag could survive a 20+ g-load opening shock (assuming he had an open parachute, which I don't believe he did) with a single four foot shroud line.  But adding another 16 feet of shroud line means Cooper could have wrapped the money bag three or more additional times and tied it to his harness.  A 12 year old boy scout could secure that money bag sufficiently to prevent it separating from Cooper.

 The end result of the above is that, in my opinion, it is beyond belief that the money separated from Cooper during the jump even with a violent parachute opening (which, again, I don't think happened).  I put the probability of losing the money bag during the jump as zero.

Fair enough. But how do you account for the bundles of money being found by the Ingrams if it never separated from Cooper? If it was secure enough to survive the jump, how was it then not secure enough to survive anything after that? In other words, if the money was so securely fastened to Cooper's body, how did at least a handful of bills wind up separated from him in the sand?
 

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Five cords on the pink parachute had cut lines:
Line #7 had 186 ¾ inches of cord removed
Line #11 had 169 ¾ inches of cord removed
Line #12 had 169 inches of cord removed
Line #15 had 213 inches of cord removed
Line #22 had 217 ¼ inches of cord removed

The length of an uncut cord (including the double-sewn cord used to tie into the cross-connector, the bundle of cords located between the butterfly snap-hook rings in the reserve container) is 218 inches (or 18.2 feet).
Exactly how much suspension line is currently missing from the pink parachute?
955 ¾ inches (or 79.6 feet).

Shutter, your listed numbers add up tp the 79.65 feet that are missing.  So it is a safe assumption that Cooper used those 79.65 feet in securing the money bag to himself and possibly other uses.  I think the shroud lines are rated at 550 pounds strength.  Cooper could have tied the money bag securely to himself with this much line and that discounts the idea that he lost the money in the jump.

I don't think you can fairly say that just because the rope was strong enough that it discounts the idea that he lost the money in the jump. He still had to tie it to himself, and who knows how good of a job he did with his knot. He still had to secure the rope to the bag and then also secure the rope and bag to himself and who knows how tightly and efficiently he did that. Yes, he had rope that was both strong enough and long enough to do the job. But there's just no way you can say that he definitely did not lose the money during the jump just based on that alone (and the $5,800 found in the sand would support that). Rock climbers fall to their deaths despite having rope that is both long enough and strong enough to get to the top.

Here's the point.  The money plus the money bag weighed less than 25 pounds.  A four foot section of the shroud line should easily wrap around the entire money bag.  The result is that the money bag could have been wrapped up to 20 times with the shroud lines.  But with proper securing, the money bag could survive a 20+ g-load opening shock (assuming he had an open parachute, which I don't believe he did) with a single four foot shroud line.  But adding another 16 feet of shroud line means Cooper could have wrapped the money bag three or more additional times and tied it to his harness.  A 12 year old boy scout could secure that money bag sufficiently to prevent it separating from Cooper.

 The end result of the above is that, in my opinion, it is beyond belief that the money separated from Cooper during the jump even with a violent parachute opening (which, again, I don't think happened).  I put the probability of losing the money bag during the jump as zero.

Fair enough. But how do you account for the bundles of money being found by the Ingrams if it never separated from Cooper? If it was secure enough to survive the jump, how was it then not secure enough to survive anything after that? In other words, if the money was so securely fastened to Cooper's body, how did at least a handful of bills wind up separated from him in the sand?

Okay, if I ever get the time, I will elaborate a bit more about this on the Flight Path Analysis thread.  But basically, if Cooper did not pull (and I am personally convinced that he did not), then when he hit the solid ground near Tina Bar at about 180+ MPH it could have caused a rupture of the money bag.  Some of the money may have headed downstream earlier, but within a few years (probably no later than the mid-1970s) the remainder of the money bag and maybe most of Cooper headed downstream as well during a high water event.  Remember that the money was found at an elevation several feet higher than the normal surface of the Columbia River.  It is my opinion that the bill bundles arrived at Tina Bar about the same time as the fragments but both the bundles and fragments were traveling under water when this happened.  The bundles may have come directly out of the money bag at the same time.

In any event, there is no good explanation as to how the fragments got buried beneath the bundles at the present time.  Stay tuned. 
 

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Five cords on the pink parachute had cut lines:
Line #7 had 186 ¾ inches of cord removed
Line #11 had 169 ¾ inches of cord removed
Line #12 had 169 inches of cord removed
Line #15 had 213 inches of cord removed
Line #22 had 217 ¼ inches of cord removed

The length of an uncut cord (including the double-sewn cord used to tie into the cross-connector, the bundle of cords located between the butterfly snap-hook rings in the reserve container) is 218 inches (or 18.2 feet).
Exactly how much suspension line is currently missing from the pink parachute?
955 ¾ inches (or 79.6 feet).

Shutter, your listed numbers add up tp the 79.65 feet that are missing.  So it is a safe assumption that Cooper used those 79.65 feet in securing the money bag to himself and possibly other uses.  I think the shroud lines are rated at 550 pounds strength.  Cooper could have tied the money bag securely to himself with this much line and that discounts the idea that he lost the money in the jump.

I don't think you can fairly say that just because the rope was strong enough that it discounts the idea that he lost the money in the jump. He still had to tie it to himself, and who knows how good of a job he did with his knot. He still had to secure the rope to the bag and then also secure the rope and bag to himself and who knows how tightly and efficiently he did that. Yes, he had rope that was both strong enough and long enough to do the job. But there's just no way you can say that he definitely did not lose the money during the jump just based on that alone (and the $5,800 found in the sand would support that). Rock climbers fall to their deaths despite having rope that is both long enough and strong enough to get to the top.

Here's the point.  The money plus the money bag weighed less than 25 pounds.  A four foot section of the shroud line should easily wrap around the entire money bag.  The result is that the money bag could have been wrapped up to 20 times with the shroud lines.  But with proper securing, the money bag could survive a 20+ g-load opening shock (assuming he had an open parachute, which I don't believe he did) with a single four foot shroud line.  But adding another 16 feet of shroud line means Cooper could have wrapped the money bag three or more additional times and tied it to his harness.  A 12 year old boy scout could secure that money bag sufficiently to prevent it separating from Cooper.

 The end result of the above is that, in my opinion, it is beyond belief that the money separated from Cooper during the jump even with a violent parachute opening (which, again, I don't think happened).  I put the probability of losing the money bag during the jump as zero.

Fair enough. But how do you account for the bundles of money being found by the Ingrams if it never separated from Cooper? If it was secure enough to survive the jump, how was it then not secure enough to survive anything after that? In other words, if the money was so securely fastened to Cooper's body, how did at least a handful of bills wind up separated from him in the sand?

Okay, if I ever get the time, I will elaborate a bit more about this on the Flight Path Analysis thread.  But basically, if Cooper did not pull (and I am personally convinced that he did not), then when he hit the solid ground near Tina Bar at about 180+ MPH it could have caused a rupture of the money bag.  Some of the money may have headed downstream earlier, but within a few years (probably no later than the mid-1970s) the remainder of the money bag and maybe most of Cooper headed downstream as well during a high water event.  Remember that the money was found at an elevation several feet higher than the normal surface of the Columbia River.  It is my opinion that the bill bundles arrived at Tina Bar about the same time as the fragments but both the bundles and fragments were traveling under water when this happened.  The bundles may have come directly out of the money bag at the same time.

In any event, there is no good explanation as to how the fragments got buried beneath the bundles at the present time.  Stay tuned.

I can get behind that. Basically, you were not including the moment of impact in "the jump" whereas I was including that as being "part of the jump." So in essence, we are actually in agreement.
 

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Five cords on the pink parachute had cut lines:
Line #7 had 186 ¾ inches of cord removed
Line #11 had 169 ¾ inches of cord removed
Line #12 had 169 inches of cord removed
Line #15 had 213 inches of cord removed
Line #22 had 217 ¼ inches of cord removed

The length of an uncut cord (including the double-sewn cord used to tie into the cross-connector, the bundle of cords located between the butterfly snap-hook rings in the reserve container) is 218 inches (or 18.2 feet).
Exactly how much suspension line is currently missing from the pink parachute?
955 ¾ inches (or 79.6 feet).

Shutter, your listed numbers add up tp the 79.65 feet that are missing.  So it is a safe assumption that Cooper used those 79.65 feet in securing the money bag to himself and possibly other uses.  I think the shroud lines are rated at 550 pounds strength.  Cooper could have tied the money bag securely to himself with this much line and that discounts the idea that he lost the money in the jump.

I don't think you can fairly say that just because the rope was strong enough that it discounts the idea that he lost the money in the jump. He still had to tie it to himself, and who knows how good of a job he did with his knot. He still had to secure the rope to the bag and then also secure the rope and bag to himself and who knows how tightly and efficiently he did that. Yes, he had rope that was both strong enough and long enough to do the job. But there's just no way you can say that he definitely did not lose the money during the jump just based on that alone (and the $5,800 found in the sand would support that). Rock climbers fall to their deaths despite having rope that is both long enough and strong enough to get to the top.

Here's the point.  The money plus the money bag weighed less than 25 pounds.  A four foot section of the shroud line should easily wrap around the entire money bag.  The result is that the money bag could have been wrapped up to 20 times with the shroud lines.  But with proper securing, the money bag could survive a 20+ g-load opening shock (assuming he had an open parachute, which I don't believe he did) with a single four foot shroud line.  But adding another 16 feet of shroud line means Cooper could have wrapped the money bag three or more additional times and tied it to his harness.  A 12 year old boy scout could secure that money bag sufficiently to prevent it separating from Cooper.

 The end result of the above is that, in my opinion, it is beyond belief that the money separated from Cooper during the jump even with a violent parachute opening (which, again, I don't think happened).  I put the probability of losing the money bag during the jump as zero.

Fair enough. But how do you account for the bundles of money being found by the Ingrams if it never separated from Cooper? If it was secure enough to survive the jump, how was it then not secure enough to survive anything after that? In other words, if the money was so securely fastened to Cooper's body, how did at least a handful of bills wind up separated from him in the sand?

Okay, if I ever get the time, I will elaborate a bit more about this on the Flight Path Analysis thread.  But basically, if Cooper did not pull (and I am personally convinced that he did not), then when he hit the solid ground near Tina Bar at about 180+ MPH it could have caused a rupture of the money bag.  Some of the money may have headed downstream earlier, but within a few years (probably no later than the mid-1970s) the remainder of the money bag and maybe most of Cooper headed downstream as well during a high water event.  Remember that the money was found at an elevation several feet higher than the normal surface of the Columbia River.  It is my opinion that the bill bundles arrived at Tina Bar about the same time as the fragments but both the bundles and fragments were traveling under water when this happened.  The bundles may have come directly out of the money bag at the same time.

In any event, there is no good explanation as to how the fragments got buried beneath the bundles at the present time.  Stay tuned.

I can get behind that. Basically, you were not including the moment of impact in "the jump" whereas I was including that as being "part of the jump." So in essence, we are actually in agreement.

Cooper theory must now evolve and modernize. Now that we know Tina is sane and Cooper was a pilot and engineer, the new explanation for the Money Finds may soon rest with Magnetic Monopoles - since Tom found iron (Fe) in the bills. Each monopole will seek its own level relative to the magnetic center of the Earth magnetisphere, independent of water. This would account for money being at different levels regardless of other factors. The Moon circling the Earth would only enhance this effect. See: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Al Fazio observed that a full Moon and high tide had just passed prior to Ingram finding the money along the magnet high tide line. Jerry Thomas confirmed this based on measurements with ping pong balls released from the Washougal - it's true!

Stay tuned for more on this at the Mountain News. 

ps: If Cooper was attracted to Tina Bar because it is the focus of magnet activity this may indicate Cooper was suffering from a prior major injury, and had a steel plate in his head! This steel plate could then be the cause of abnormal thinking patterns resulting in a grudge and a hijacking. Lists of people with plates in their heads who smoked Raleighs could now be searched. I feel Cooper calling to me and I am sure we are very close to him now! Stay tuned at Mountain News.
   

   
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1331 on: December 07, 2016, 12:48:38 AM »
My post last night was a JOKE, if anyone failed to get the message? That post is an example of junk science but it is also not too far removed from some of the junk science and claims I have heard (regarding the money find) since I joined this party in 2008.

The point is: its fine for people to have opinions and make assertions .. its proof of those opinions and assertions that matters. And bringing in external metaphysical nonsense which at its core is "meaningless", is no fix. One of the reasons the Cooper case has become complex is because we lack so many key facts, and just dont have access to the materials that might yield those key facts. And the process whereby government officials have chosen to release a few materials has become politicized - including a pecking order. The FBI could have simply set up a website and posted the documents it chose to release and made this an impartial matter; for whatever reason it appears the government chose to use a different method  using chosen individuals vs. setting up a neutral station.

But for myself, my post was in jest and a farce, intended as a relief value for people's frustrations. I guess I should have looked for a better way to express that intention.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1332 on: December 10, 2016, 05:14:42 AM »
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My post last night was a JOKE, if anyone failed to get the message? That post is an example of junk science but it is also not too far removed from some of the junk science and claims I have heard (regarding the money find) since I joined this party in 2008.

The point is: its fine for people to have opinions and make assertions .. its proof of those opinions and assertions that matters. And bringing in external metaphysical nonsense which at its core is "meaningless", is no fix. One of the reasons the Cooper case has become complex is because we lack so many key facts, and just dont have access to the materials that might yield those key facts. And the process whereby government officials have chosen to release a few materials has become politicized - including a pecking order. The FBI could have simply set up a website and posted the documents it chose to release and made this an impartial matter; for whatever reason it appears the government chose to use a different method  using chosen individuals vs. setting up a neutral station.

But for myself, my post was in jest and a farce, intended as a relief value for people's frustrations. I guess I should have looked for a better way to express that intention.

 :) 
 
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I found your previous post very amusing and entertaining, Georger.  Anyone seeing it other than a joke wasn't reading very closely.  Your comic relief is always welcome here.  Meyer
 
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1333 on: December 10, 2016, 02:58:22 PM »
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My post last night was a JOKE, if anyone failed to get the message? That post is an example of junk science but it is also not too far removed from some of the junk science and claims I have heard (regarding the money find) since I joined this party in 2008.

The point is: its fine for people to have opinions and make assertions .. its proof of those opinions and assertions that matters. And bringing in external metaphysical nonsense which at its core is "meaningless", is no fix. One of the reasons the Cooper case has become complex is because we lack so many key facts, and just dont have access to the materials that might yield those key facts. And the process whereby government officials have chosen to release a few materials has become politicized - including a pecking order. The FBI could have simply set up a website and posted the documents it chose to release and made this an impartial matter; for whatever reason it appears the government chose to use a different method  using chosen individuals vs. setting up a neutral station.

But for myself, my post was in jest and a farce, intended as a relief value for people's frustrations. I guess I should have looked for a better way to express that intention.

 :) 
 
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I found your previous post very amusing and entertaining, Georger.  Anyone seeing it other than a joke wasn't reading very closely.  Your comic relief is always welcome here.  Meyer
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1334 on: December 28, 2016, 01:11:45 AM »
Kaye found some polygonal bismuth particles that might be from glitter makeup, and I recently was watching an episode of Forensic Files and they solved a murder with a forensic glitter collection owned by Edward Jones. A quick google search showed Jones was retired and had published some papers. I think it would be worth trying to contact him with Kaye's findings and see if we could confirm the bismuth was makeup, and if he had a matching sample from circa 1970.