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I remember that Cronkite newscast and wondering who among the skydiving community did the crime. It was a "sure thing" that it was one of us. No whuffo could have pulled it off we all thought.

Time passed and many jumpers claimed to have been interviewed by the FBI. I was hoping I'd be interviewed, but I was too young (22) and had blue eyes.

I think a lot of jumpers lied about being suspects. It was a badge of honor to be a NORJACK person of interest.

DC lawyer Fred Fielding rode the Deep Throat Watergate horse for years, denying it with a wink. Turned out Deep Throat was an FBI agent but that didn't stop Fred from getting invited to a lot of cocktail parties before the true Deep Throat was identified.

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The favorite suspects picked by the West Coast skydiving crowd  included Teddy Mayfield and Bill Dause. Dause has been tagged as recently as 2012 as a Cooper suspect (half jokingly).

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How many in the community was Cooper's age?

[377]

How many in the community was Cooper's age?

Not sure, but when I started jumping in 1968 there were quite a few old guys (over 40 ) in the sport. They were the instructors, the experts, the people with lots of experience.

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How many in the community was Cooper's age?

Not sure, but when I started jumping in 1968 there were quite a few old guys (over 40 ) in the sport. They were the instructors, the experts, the people with lots of experience.

377

I'm a little over 50. I must be a real old guy 


So, Agent Carr was incorrect by saying the sport wasn't like it is today with older people involved in the sport? I guess there is no reason he couldn't of been a instructor, in the past as well? they talked with Teddy....

[Robert99]

How many in the community was Cooper's age?

Not sure, but when I started jumping in 1968 there were quite a few old guys (over 40 ) in the sport. They were the instructors, the experts, the people with lots of experience.

377

I'm a little over 50. I must be a real old guy 


So, Agent Carr was incorrect by saying the sport wasn't like it is today with older people involved in the sport? I guess there is no reason he couldn't of been a instructor, in the past as well? they talked with Teddy....

All of my limited jumps were made in 1963-1964 and the oldest jumper I saw was probably in his very early 30s.  My instructor was about my age and was an engineer at NASA Langley.  He also had an FAA riggers license, and now has my autograph in his rigger's log book.   The number of jumpers was quite small and only two of the jumpers I knew even had a B license.  Interestingly enough, their B license numbers bracket Orange1's B license number.   

[nmiwrecks]

So, Agent Carr was incorrect by saying the sport wasn't like it is today with older people involved in the sport? I guess there is no reason he couldn't of been a instructor, in the past as well? they talked with Teddy....

An instructor who jumped at night wearing loafers and didn't request a helmet or goggles with his chutes?                         

[georger]

So, Agent Carr was incorrect by saying the sport wasn't like it is today with older people involved in the sport? I guess there is no reason he couldn't of been a instructor, in the past as well? they talked with Teddy....

An instructor who jumped at night wearing loafers and didn't request a helmet or goggles with his chutes?                         

Whoever or whatever he was, the FBI has gone out of its way to paint Cooper as a 'nobody' if not a 'chump' with no real skills. One fact seems inescapable: he arrived from the Moon unseen! Then disappears again into thin air, forever. Nine years later a few rotted bundles of his loot is found, in a place it should not be! No small wonder the FBI is tight lipped about the whole affair. The case may have international if not celestial extra-terrestrial ramifications! Should we look for Cooper on Pluto? Did New Horizons spot an unclaimed corpse or get-a-way vehicle there?

Cooper is not just a needle in a haystack hidden from view, but a grain of dust in the Cosmos never to be seen again!

Agents from Cuba, Moscow, or Mars probably have the 'nicotine delivery device butts'! There is no dna because species from wherever Cooper was from - have no dna! The dna on the tie is probably Himmeslbach's dna!

 

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So, Agent Carr was incorrect by saying the sport wasn't like it is today with older people involved in the sport? I guess there is no reason he couldn't of been a instructor, in the past as well? they talked with Teddy....

An instructor who jumped at night wearing loafers and didn't request a helmet or goggles with his chutes?                         

I missed this post  that's a good thought! I've said the same about smoke jumpers. those guys are use to a lot of protection, so it would seem odd they would attempt this?

[377]

So, Agent Carr was incorrect by saying the sport wasn't like it is today with older people involved in the sport? I guess there is no reason he couldn't of been a instructor, in the past as well? they talked with Teddy....

An instructor who jumped at night wearing loafers and didn't request a helmet or goggles with his chutes?                         

I missed this post  that's a good thought! I've said the same about smoke jumpers. those guys are use to a lot of protection, so it would seem odd they would attempt this?

I have many hundreds of jumps and have only had one where my helmet proved beneficial. I got kicked really hard in the head as an unstable freefall "magic carpet" formation broke up violently. I was nearly knocked unconscious. I think the helmet made the difference. Never needed it on a landing although it added a safety measure.

Goggles are helpful, but you can jump without them. My goggles were ripped from my face on exiting the DC 9 jet. My strap held them on and I was able to get them back over my eyes after a few seconds. I could see OK without them, but it was very uncomfortable having my eyes windblasted.

If Cooper planned to pull off the steps he wouldn't need goggles. Many jumpers still jump without helmets although it is a poor decision from a risk management point of view.

I used to jump with just sunglasses held on with a strap made of daisy chained rubber packing bands. It worked OK. Cooper had sunglasses.

Seems like the pure titanium and bismuth (if Cooper's) would dramatically narrow the list of suspects.

Bismuth was used as a machine tool cutting aid, so maybe Sheridan could have been exposed to it at Boeing?

"Steelmakers have worked hard to find a substitute for lead in free-machining steels. In the case of Ispat Inland, the company's brand of Incut steels uses bismuth as the substitute for lead. Machinability tests conducted comparing lead and bismuth additives are said to be equivalent.

The free-machining properties between bismuth and lead are similar because the two elements behave alike in the melt. Both are insoluble in steel and give lubrication in the cut. Bismuth actually distributes better in the melt than lead. It has a slightly lower melting temperature, 520º F. Bismuth has the environmental advantage over lead of not being toxic. Use of bismuth as a lead substitute in steel is proprietary to Ispat Inland."

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[georger]

So, Agent Carr was incorrect by saying the sport wasn't like it is today with older people involved in the sport? I guess there is no reason he couldn't of been a instructor, in the past as well? they talked with Teddy....

An instructor who jumped at night wearing loafers and didn't request a helmet or goggles with his chutes?                         

I missed this post  that's a good thought! I've said the same about smoke jumpers. those guys are use to a lot of protection, so it would seem odd they would attempt this?

I have many hundreds of jumps and have only had one where my helmet proved beneficial. I got kicked really hard in the head as an unstable freefall "magic carpet" formation broke up violently. I was nearly knocked unconscious. I think the helmet made the difference. Never needed it on a landing although it added a safety measure.

Goggles are helpful, but you can jump without them. My goggles were ripped from my face on exiting the DC 9 jet. My strap held them on and I was able to get them back over my eyes after a few seconds. I could see OK without them, but it was very uncomfortable having my eyes windblasted.

If Cooper planned to pull off the steps he wouldn't need goggles. Many jumpers still jump without helmets although it is a poor decision from a risk management point of view.

I used to jump with just sunglasses held on with a strap made of daisy chained rubber packing bands. It worked OK. Cooper had sunglasses.

Seems like the pure titanium and bismuth (if Cooper's) would dramatically narrow the list of suspects.

Bismuth was used as a machine tool cutting aid, so maybe Sheridan could have been exposed to it at Boeing?

"Steelmakers have worked hard to find a substitute for lead in free-machining steels. In the case of Ispat Inland, the company's brand of Incut steels uses bismuth as the substitute for lead. Machinability tests conducted comparing lead and bismuth additives are said to be equivalent.

The free-machining properties between bismuth and lead are similar because the two elements behave alike in the melt. Both are insoluble in steel and give lubrication in the cut. Bismuth actually distributes better in the melt than lead. It has a slightly lower melting temperature, 520º F. Bismuth has the environmental advantage over lead of not being toxic. Use of bismuth as a lead substitute in steel is proprietary to Ispat Inland."

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nice find ...

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Looks like I might get side swiped by a hurricane this week 

[sailshaw]

377,  You say:   "Bismuth was used as a machine tool cutting aid, so maybe Sheridan could have been exposed to it at Boeing?"

I say:  "Right On as Sheridan's office at Boeing was on the second floor just above the M & P Lab on the main floor of the 9-101 building"
That Materials and Processing Lab worked with all the findings found on Cooper's Tie and to me is a real pointer to Sheridan as he had to pass by (at least twice a day on way to his office) the Tub Skids containing all scrap and waist products that placed around the outside of the Lab and in the hallways. Had he bent over to look in the scrap tub skids, his tie could have dropped into the tub skids to pick-up the  materials found on the tie.
He is our man!
Bob Sailshaw

[georger]

377,  You say:   "Bismuth was used as a machine tool cutting aid, so maybe Sheridan could have been exposed to it at Boeing?"

I say:  "Right On as Sheridan's office at Boeing was on the second floor just above the M & P Lab on the main floor of the 9-101 building"
That Materials and Processing Lab worked with all the findings found on Cooper's Tie and to me is a real pointer to Sheridan as he had to pass by (at least twice a day on way to his office) the Tub Skids containing all scrap and waist products that placed around the outside of the Lab and in the hallways. Had he bent over to look in the scrap tub skids, his tie could have dropped into the tub skids to pick-up the  materials found on the tie.
He is our man!
Bob Sailshaw

The problem is Peterson does not fit the physical description.

Is there anyone else who worked in this area or who may have known Peterson ... who stole Peterson's tie!? That might explain the tie being left behind as a 'plant' to steer investigators toward Peterson or the Boeing work environment? Frankly I think that scenario is a weak argument mainly because Cooper left so many other items of evidence in addition to the tie. But the tie may have been somebody's who worked at Boeing and was stolen or borrowed ... while the rest of the evidence is Cooper's own sloppiness?

 
   

[sailshaw]

Georger  you say:  "The problem is Peterson does not fit the physical description."

I say:   What are you talking about. His eyes were identified as "brown" but that could been his only disguise to through off the FBI and Georger. Sheridan met all the descriptions except the eyes which were most likely covered with brown cosmetic lens (either store bought or home made) and explains why he wore sun glasses for most of the skyjacking and only prodadly showed off his "brown eyes" to the two Flight Attendants. Are the eyes the only physical description that you think does not match Peterson? He was six feet tall with olive complextion. right age, right build and an expert/instructor skydiver with the most knowledge of the 727 Aft Airstairs. The eyes were his only disguise using cosmetic lens..

Bob Sailsshaw
check out the match to the sketches

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This storm coming is all over the place. it's going up the west side of Florida now...If it stays on that track we might get some wind around 30 mph....take cover