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« Reply #3885 on: November 03, 2017, 04:48:36 AM »
So a friend of mine and I were discussing DBC and the rash of copycat highjackings that occurred afterwards and how he was the trendsetter for them all. My friend stated "so what you are saying is DBC was the ugg boots of the early 70s'?"

It just made me laugh. Happy Friday everyone!
 

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« Reply #3886 on: November 06, 2017, 02:28:21 AM »
Weather Report from Cooper Country

2-4 inches of snow across Cooper Country today. It's all slush, but it's still Mindblowing. Temperatures are forecasted to be in the mid-20s tonight. Whew. Normal temps are in the high 50s.
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« Reply #3887 on: November 08, 2017, 12:49:16 AM »
New DB Cooper video at YouTube

For those who might like to see my presentation on the money find:

To recap: Money was found in two separate places at a beach called Tina Bar, a spot along the Columbia River just downstream from Vancouver, Washington.

On Sunday, February 10, 1980, an 8-year old boy named Brian Ingram found three bundles of weathered twenty-dollar bills when he was digging in the sand. The next day the bills were discovered to be from DB Cooper's ransom delivered during his skyjacking eight years earlier, in November 1971.

When the FBI descended upon Tina Bar they uncovered thousands of shards of money buried in the sand for a stretch of 40 feet under the area where Brian had found his bundles. After digging through the areas with shovels, the FBI brought in backhoes and found fragments of bills down to a depth of 3-4 feet.

How the money got there and when is still unknown, but there are plenty of theories to explain this unusual phenomenon. Welcome to the DB Cooper story – one that is filled with inexplicable mysteries.

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« Reply #3888 on: November 08, 2017, 02:47:05 AM »
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New DB Cooper video at YouTube

For those who might like to see my presentation on the money find:

To recap: Money was found in two separate places at a beach called Tina Bar, a spot along the Columbia River just downstream from Vancouver, Washington.

On Sunday, February 10, 1980, an 8-year old boy named Brian Ingram found three bundles of weathered twenty-dollar bills when he was digging in the sand. The next day the bills were discovered to be from DB Cooper's ransom delivered during his skyjacking eight years earlier, in November 1971.

When the FBI descended upon Tina Bar they uncovered thousands of shards of money buried in the sand for a stretch of 40 feet under the area where Brian had found his bundles. After digging through the areas with shovels, the FBI brought in backhoes and found fragments of bills down to a depth of 3-4 feet.

How the money got there and when is still unknown, but there are plenty of theories to explain this unusual phenomenon. Welcome to the DB Cooper story – one that is filled with inexplicable mysteries.

To view the video, click below:



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Lots of small errors of fact and omissions. Example: you still, years later, identify Palmer as a hydrologist. He was in fact a geologist. In fact he is identified as: LEONARD PALMER, Professor of Geology, Portland State University. (FBI file)

Another: for years you keep making an issue of the corners being rounded off on bills. Clear back in 2008-09 I made many attempts to inform you of the physics involved and why this happens to square objects left in nature. You evidently chose not to believe that. Its now 2017 and you are still saying this is a mystery unsolved! Amazing fact about you having nothing to do physics, DB Cooper, or the money.

Omissions: TK says the dredging spoils were in one place vs the Ingram money in an entirely different place, so dredging cannot explain the Ingram money where it was found. That's just one example ...

Galen Cook supposedly finds someone claiming they found corners of the bills some 10+ yards north of the Ingram find. Corners as if clipped off by scissors! Corners only! The Corner Monster was at work! Then a mere 2-4 months later when the Ingram money is found and the whole beach is excavated not one of these "corners" is seen or found mere yards south of the place where Cook-Smith describes corners only being found. You say its a deep mystery and a clue to something profound. We need to find this corner clipping person or the inventor of the corner slipping claim.

All of these small errors of fact and omissions add up to something. Im not sure what it is. More corners from the bills, I guess.

And a partridge in a pear tree -
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« Reply #3889 on: November 08, 2017, 04:07:45 PM »
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New DB Cooper video at YouTube

For those who might like to see my presentation on the money find:

To recap: Money was found in two separate places at a beach called Tina Bar, a spot along the Columbia River just downstream from Vancouver, Washington.

On Sunday, February 10, 1980, an 8-year old boy named Brian Ingram found three bundles of weathered twenty-dollar bills when he was digging in the sand. The next day the bills were discovered to be from DB Cooper's ransom delivered during his skyjacking eight years earlier, in November 1971.

When the FBI descended upon Tina Bar they uncovered thousands of shards of money buried in the sand for a stretch of 40 feet under the area where Brian had found his bundles. After digging through the areas with shovels, the FBI brought in backhoes and found fragments of bills down to a depth of 3-4 feet.

How the money got there and when is still unknown, but there are plenty of theories to explain this unusual phenomenon. Welcome to the DB Cooper story – one that is filled with inexplicable mysteries.

To view the video, click below:



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Lots of small errors of fact and omissions. Example: you still, years later, identify Palmer as a hydrologist. He was in fact a geologist. In fact he is identified as: LEONARD PALMER, Professor of Geology, Portland State University. (FBI file)

Another: for years you keep making an issue of the corners being rounded off on bills. Clear back in 2008-09 I made many attempts to inform you of the physics involved and why this happens to square objects left in nature. You evidently chose not to believe that. Its now 2017 and you are still saying this is a mystery unsolved! Amazing fact about you having nothing to do physics, DB Cooper, or the money.

Omissions: TK says the dredging spoils were in one place vs the Ingram money in an entirely different place, so dredging cannot explain the Ingram money where it was found. That's just one example ...

Galen Cook supposedly finds someone claiming they found corners of the bills some 10+ yards north of the Ingram find. Corners as if clipped off by scissors! Corners only! The Corner Monster was at work! Then a mere 2-4 months later when the Ingram money is found and the whole beach is excavated not one of these "corners" is seen or found mere yards south of the place where Cook-Smith describes corners only being found. You say its a deep mystery and a clue to something profound. We need to find this corner clipping person or the inventor of the corner slipping claim.

All of these small errors of fact and omissions add up to something. Im not sure what it is. More corners from the bills, I guess.

And a partridge in a pear tree -


Great post!  Georger.  More fake news exposed.  Meyer
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« Reply #3890 on: November 08, 2017, 04:41:25 PM »
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New DB Cooper video at YouTube

For those who might like to see my presentation on the money find:

To recap: Money was found in two separate places at a beach called Tina Bar, a spot along the Columbia River just downstream from Vancouver, Washington.

On Sunday, February 10, 1980, an 8-year old boy named Brian Ingram found three bundles of weathered twenty-dollar bills when he was digging in the sand. The next day the bills were discovered to be from DB Cooper's ransom delivered during his skyjacking eight years earlier, in November 1971.

When the FBI descended upon Tina Bar they uncovered thousands of shards of money buried in the sand for a stretch of 40 feet under the area where Brian had found his bundles. After digging through the areas with shovels, the FBI brought in backhoes and found fragments of bills down to a depth of 3-4 feet.

How the money got there and when is still unknown, but there are plenty of theories to explain this unusual phenomenon. Welcome to the DB Cooper story – one that is filled with inexplicable mysteries.

To view the video, click below:



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Lots of small errors of fact and omissions. Example: you still, years later, identify Palmer as a hydrologist. He was in fact a geologist. In fact he is identified as: LEONARD PALMER, Professor of Geology, Portland State University. (FBI file)

Another: for years you keep making an issue of the corners being rounded off on bills. Clear back in 2008-09 I made many attempts to inform you of the physics involved and why this happens to square objects left in nature. You evidently chose not to believe that. Its now 2017 and you are still saying this is a mystery unsolved! Amazing fact about you having nothing to do physics, DB Cooper, or the money.

Omissions: TK says the dredging spoils were in one place vs the Ingram money in an entirely different place, so dredging cannot explain the Ingram money where it was found. That's just one example ...

Galen Cook supposedly finds someone claiming they found corners of the bills some 10+ yards north of the Ingram find. Corners as if clipped off by scissors! Corners only! The Corner Monster was at work! Then a mere 2-4 months later when the Ingram money is found and the whole beach is excavated not one of these "corners" is seen or found mere yards south of the place where Cook-Smith describes corners only being found. You say its a deep mystery and a clue to something profound. We need to find this corner clipping person or the inventor of the corner slipping claim.

All of these small errors of fact and omissions add up to something. Im not sure what it is. More corners from the bills, I guess.

And a partridge in a pear tree -


Great post!  Georger.  More fake news exposed.  Meyer

If we take Bruce's full bias to its greatest extent we would soon be wondering if the Cooper hijacking occurred at all! Oh it occurred but it was a conspiracy, perhaps a systems test of people and procedures still being covered up to this day - and Cossey was part of the scam! And Cooper was met by agents or CIA people on the ground and immediately whisked away, to who knows where! Cooper's wages for the day? $39.96 less tax!  :rofl:
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« Reply #3891 on: November 08, 2017, 05:41:03 PM »
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New DB Cooper video at YouTube

For those who might like to see my presentation on the money find:

To recap: Money was found in two separate places at a beach called Tina Bar, a spot along the Columbia River just downstream from Vancouver, Washington.

On Sunday, February 10, 1980, an 8-year old boy named Brian Ingram found three bundles of weathered twenty-dollar bills when he was digging in the sand. The next day the bills were discovered to be from DB Cooper's ransom delivered during his skyjacking eight years earlier, in November 1971.

When the FBI descended upon Tina Bar they uncovered thousands of shards of money buried in the sand for a stretch of 40 feet under the area where Brian had found his bundles. After digging through the areas with shovels, the FBI brought in backhoes and found fragments of bills down to a depth of 3-4 feet.

How the money got there and when is still unknown, but there are plenty of theories to explain this unusual phenomenon. Welcome to the DB Cooper story – one that is filled with inexplicable mysteries.

To view the video, click below:



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Lots of small errors of fact and omissions. Example: you still, years later, identify Palmer as a hydrologist. He was in fact a geologist. In fact he is identified as: LEONARD PALMER, Professor of Geology, Portland State University. (FBI file)

Another: for years you keep making an issue of the corners being rounded off on bills. Clear back in 2008-09 I made many attempts to inform you of the physics involved and why this happens to square objects left in nature. You evidently chose not to believe that. Its now 2017 and you are still saying this is a mystery unsolved! Amazing fact about you having nothing to do physics, DB Cooper, or the money.

Omissions: TK says the dredging spoils were in one place vs the Ingram money in an entirely different place, so dredging cannot explain the Ingram money where it was found. That's just one example ...

Galen Cook supposedly finds someone claiming they found corners of the bills some 10+ yards north of the Ingram find. Corners as if clipped off by scissors! Corners only! The Corner Monster was at work! Then a mere 2-4 months later when the Ingram money is found and the whole beach is excavated not one of these "corners" is seen or found mere yards south of the place where Cook-Smith describes corners only being found. You say its a deep mystery and a clue to something profound. We need to find this corner clipping person or the inventor of the corner slipping claim.

All of these small errors of fact and omissions add up to something. Im not sure what it is. More corners from the bills, I guess.

And a partridge in a pear tree -


Great post!  Georger.  More fake news exposed.  Meyer

If we take Bruce's full bias to its greatest extent we would soon be wondering if the Cooper hijacking occurred at all! Oh it occurred but it was a conspiracy, perhaps a systems test of people and procedures still being covered up to this day - and Cossey was part of the scam! And Cooper was met by agents or CIA people on the ground and immediately whisked away, to who knows where! Cooper's wages for the day? $39.96 less tax!  :rofl:

Recently, TV ads about conspiracy theories have appeared on local TV.  A book titled "Did the Year 1971 Actually Happen?" appears in some of the scenes.  I'm beginning to think I should start looking for a copy of that book. :) 
 

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« Reply #3892 on: November 08, 2017, 06:04:24 PM »
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New DB Cooper video at YouTube

For those who might like to see my presentation on the money find:

To recap: Money was found in two separate places at a beach called Tina Bar, a spot along the Columbia River just downstream from Vancouver, Washington.

On Sunday, February 10, 1980, an 8-year old boy named Brian Ingram found three bundles of weathered twenty-dollar bills when he was digging in the sand. The next day the bills were discovered to be from DB Cooper's ransom delivered during his skyjacking eight years earlier, in November 1971.

When the FBI descended upon Tina Bar they uncovered thousands of shards of money buried in the sand for a stretch of 40 feet under the area where Brian had found his bundles. After digging through the areas with shovels, the FBI brought in backhoes and found fragments of bills down to a depth of 3-4 feet.

How the money got there and when is still unknown, but there are plenty of theories to explain this unusual phenomenon. Welcome to the DB Cooper story – one that is filled with inexplicable mysteries.

To view the video, click below:



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Another glaring omission is you do not tell viewers what the basis for the excavation was or who set that agenda - it was Dorwin of course. Dorwin and a fellow agent's first act was to identify the Igram find location (a stick had been stuck in the sand to mark that position). Dorwin and the fellow agents then did a "canvas" of the site, walking first south, then back to the Ingram find, then north ... to see what they could see/find. (All of this as described to me by Dorwin and the other agent). Going South Dorwin says they followed a debris field of money shards; when the pieces of money on or near the surface ran out they got a stick and marked that location. Dorwin and the other agent went back and using an implement they began marking out 20 yard lines in the sand, visible in the news video. They went north of the Ingram find and cut more 20 yard line segments in the sand, visible on the video. That area of marked lines became the area for the excavation presumably based on fragments of money Dorwin and ________ had found in their original canvas. Up to this point nobody had had time to probe much below the surface.

This basic information is entirely missing from your video.       
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« Reply #3893 on: November 08, 2017, 06:45:13 PM »
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Another glaring omission is you do not tell viewers what the basis for the excavation was or who set that agenda - it was Dorwin of course. Dorwin and a fellow agent's first act was to identify the Igram find location (a stick had been stuck in the sand to mark that position). Dorwin and the fellow agents then did a "canvas" of the site, walking first south, then back to the Ingram find, then north ... to see what they could see/find. (All of this as described to me by Dorwin and the other agent). Going South Dorwin says they followed a debris field of money shards; when the pieces of money on or near the surface ran out they got a stick and marked that location. Dorwin and the other agent went back and using an implement they began marking out 20 yard lines in the sand, visible in the news video. They went north of the Ingram find and cut more 20 yard line segments in the sand, visible on the video. That area of marked lines became the area for the excavation presumably based on fragments of money Dorwin and ________ had found in their original canvas. Up to this point nobody had had time to probe much below the surface.

This basic information is entirely missing from your video.   
 

The above description that you received from Dorwin may be true and accurate, but it is not what Dorwin told me. Further, you have posted that Dorwin told you that this surface-shard trail was something that a "blind man could follow," or words to that effect.

That characterization is in stark contrast to what Dorwin told me, and is not described at all in Himmelsbach's book, which would be a glaring omission in my view.

It also directly contradicts what Brian Ingram told me about looking for more money, and certainly seems counter-intuitive that a destitute family finding 6-grand at the beach would presumably see the shards that a blind man could follow two days later.

Hence, I did not mention this dimension of the money find. In addition, Dorwin has readily acknowledged that his memory may be faulty, and he gave several instances of that occurring in our conversations, i.e.: finding the briefcase, the dredge "Bedell," was still at T-Bar in 1980, etc.. Thus, I did not expand upon the speculative nature of what Dorwin may have told you.

On a side note, didn't Dorwin arrive at T-Bar on Wednesday, the FBI's second day at the beach? Didn't you post here a statement that Dorwin was in court on Tuesday when the feds first showed up? If my memory is correct on what you posted a few years ago, this would seem to dispute the notion that Dorwin staked out the area in the first federal action of exploring T-Bar.

Regardless, the essential story remains: the FBI found money fragments in the sand column at T-Bar down to a depth of 3-4 feet and spread out over a significant area.

Plus, Dorwin Schreuder was a witness who is graciously available to us researchers who call him.

And thank you for watching the video. Did you notice there were no squeaking chairs???
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« Reply #3894 on: November 08, 2017, 10:04:01 PM »
Interview with Martin Andrade

I spoke with Marty this week and wrote up our conversation at the Mountain News-WA.

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It's fairly long and contains a few pix, so I won't post it here, unless we need to. So, just click on the link and read what one of the members of our community has to day about DB Cooper!
 
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« Reply #3895 on: November 08, 2017, 11:26:30 PM »
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Another glaring omission is you do not tell viewers what the basis for the excavation was or who set that agenda - it was Dorwin of course. Dorwin and a fellow agent's first act was to identify the Igram find location (a stick had been stuck in the sand to mark that position). Dorwin and the fellow agents then did a "canvas" of the site, walking first south, then back to the Ingram find, then north ... to see what they could see/find. (All of this as described to me by Dorwin and the other agent). Going South Dorwin says they followed a debris field of money shards; when the pieces of money on or near the surface ran out they got a stick and marked that location. Dorwin and the other agent went back and using an implement they began marking out 20 yard lines in the sand, visible in the news video. They went north of the Ingram find and cut more 20 yard line segments in the sand, visible on the video. That area of marked lines became the area for the excavation presumably based on fragments of money Dorwin and ________ had found in their original canvas. Up to this point nobody had had time to probe much below the surface.

This basic information is entirely missing from your video.   
 

The above description that you received from Dorwin may be true and accurate, but it is not what Dorwin told me. Further, you have posted that Dorwin told you that this surface-shard trail was something that a "blind man could follow," or words to that effect.

That characterization is in stark contrast to what Dorwin told me, and is not described at all in Himmelsbach's book, which would be a glaring omission in my view.

It also directly contradicts what Brian Ingram told me about looking for more money, and certainly seems counter-intuitive that a destitute family finding 6-grand at the beach would presumably see the shards that a blind man could follow two days later.

Hence, I did not mention this dimension of the money find. In addition, Dorwin has readily acknowledged that his memory may be faulty, and he gave several instances of that occurring in our conversations, i.e.: finding the briefcase, the dredge "Bedell," was still at T-Bar in 1980, etc.. Thus, I did not expand upon the speculative nature of what Dorwin may have told you.

On a side note, didn't Dorwin arrive at T-Bar on Wednesday, the FBI's second day at the beach? Didn't you post here a statement that Dorwin was in court on Tuesday when the feds first showed up? If my memory is correct on what you posted a few years ago, this would seem to dispute the notion that Dorwin staked out the area in the first federal action of exploring T-Bar.

Regardless, the essential story remains: the FBI found money fragments in the sand column at T-Bar down to a depth of 3-4 feet and spread out over a significant area.

Plus, Dorwin Schreuder was a witness who is graciously available to us researchers who call him.

And thank you for watching the video. Did you notice there were no squeaking chairs???

Your version of what Dorwin says vs my version are significantly different. Are you saying Dorwin lied to me! Are you now saying it wasn't Dorwin and another who scratched out the 20 yard lines in the sand on the 12th? When do you suppose that happened and who did it when? Did Dorwin even tell you what he was doing on the 12th or during the rest of the week?

How come you always wind up with different versions of things than other people do? I cant think of any area of NORJAK where this hasn't happened! From chutes to T-Bar to Dorwin to ........ its everywhere.

If you want to see my original posts on all of this go back to DZ and read it there - I am not going to repeat it another time for you.  Smith you are a black hole of bullshit and 99.9% of it is pointlessm while at the very same time you always get basic facts wrong or don;t know them at all for some weird reason! It's weird. You are weird!   
 

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« Reply #3896 on: November 08, 2017, 11:29:42 PM »
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Another glaring omission is you do not tell viewers what the basis for the excavation was or who set that agenda - it was Dorwin of course. Dorwin and a fellow agent's first act was to identify the Igram find location (a stick had been stuck in the sand to mark that position). Dorwin and the fellow agents then did a "canvas" of the site, walking first south, then back to the Ingram find, then north ... to see what they could see/find. (All of this as described to me by Dorwin and the other agent). Going South Dorwin says they followed a debris field of money shards; when the pieces of money on or near the surface ran out they got a stick and marked that location. Dorwin and the other agent went back and using an implement they began marking out 20 yard lines in the sand, visible in the news video. They went north of the Ingram find and cut more 20 yard line segments in the sand, visible on the video. That area of marked lines became the area for the excavation presumably based on fragments of money Dorwin and ________ had found in their original canvas. Up to this point nobody had had time to probe much below the surface.

This basic information is entirely missing from your video.   
 

The above description that you received from Dorwin may be true and accurate, but it is not what Dorwin told me. Further, you have posted that Dorwin told you that this surface-shard trail was something that a "blind man could follow," or words to that effect.

That characterization is in stark contrast to what Dorwin told me, and is not described at all in Himmelsbach's book, which would be a glaring omission in my view.

It also directly contradicts what Brian Ingram told me about looking for more money, and certainly seems counter-intuitive that a destitute family finding 6-grand at the beach would presumably see the shards that a blind man could follow two days later.

Hence, I did not mention this dimension of the money find. In addition, Dorwin has readily acknowledged that his memory may be faulty, and he gave several instances of that occurring in our conversations, i.e.: finding the briefcase, the dredge "Bedell," was still at T-Bar in 1980, etc.. Thus, I did not expand upon the speculative nature of what Dorwin may have told you.

On a side note, didn't Dorwin arrive at T-Bar on Wednesday, the FBI's second day at the beach? Didn't you post here a statement that Dorwin was in court on Tuesday when the feds first showed up? If my memory is correct on what you posted a few years ago, this would seem to dispute the notion that Dorwin staked out the area in the first federal action of exploring T-Bar.

Regardless, the essential story remains: the FBI found money fragments in the sand column at T-Bar down to a depth of 3-4 feet and spread out over a significant area.

Plus, Dorwin Schreuder was a witness who is graciously available to us researchers who call him.

And thank you for watching the video. Did you notice there were no squeaking chairs???

Another thing missing from your Money Video - any mention of Tom's forensic work with the bills. Any mention of any forensic results on the money! You do mention Cook hired a scientist but dont tell what any of those results were! Always protect Cook;'s work while tearing other people's work apart. At least you are politically consistent -  :rofl:

 
 

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« Reply #3897 on: November 08, 2017, 11:30:20 PM »
Regarding Dorwin Schreuder: any man who is as gracious as he, and who also admits in a light-hearted manner that his memory may be faulty, will never be called deceptive by me.
 

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« Reply #3898 on: November 08, 2017, 11:31:31 PM »
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Regarding Dorwin Schreuder: any man who is as gracious as he, and who also admits in a light-hearted manner that his memory may be faulty, will never be called deceptive by me.

Boy that was fast! Blevins fast!! Do you copy this 24/7 ?   :conspiracy:
 

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« Reply #3899 on: November 08, 2017, 11:32:23 PM »
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Another thing missing from your Money Video - any mention of Tom's forensic work with the bills. Any mention of any forensic results on the money! You do mention Cook hired a scientist but dont tell what any of those results were! Always protect Cook;'s work while tearing other people's work apart. At least you are politically consistent -  :rofl:


All of the findings of the Citizens Sleuths regarding the money will be discussed in one of my upcoming episodes on the CS team.