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DB Cooper / Re: General Questions About The Case
« Last post by Chaucer on July 09, 2023, 02:21:30 AM »So, what were the winds aloft between Ariel and Vancouver between 8:05pm and 8:20 pm on November 24th, 1971?
Robert,Everything you just wrote has nothing to do with what I have said.
You don't even understand what I'm talking about, yet you want to argue with me.
Nothing can be gained from this discussion, so I am going to let it drop.
Chaucer, everything I posted above relates to the winds aloft on the evening of the hijacking. The sources I cited are the only factual information that is available for those winds.
If you are claiming that you have other "sources" for those winds then you are mistaken because there are no other sources. There were no Voodoo winds that evening.
I have said nothing about the winds aloft except to cite Tom Kaye's radiosonde data. That data seems to indicate that the ground winds and winds aloft were pretty consistent without any extreme change. They also indicate a more southerly wind than is generally accepted.
The ground winds were estimates from reporting stations several miles away from any reasonable dropzone. No one knows exactly what the wind speed or direction was between 8:05 and 8:20 between Ariel and Vancouver.
None of this is new or particularly controversial. The only Voodoo appears to be you claiming otherwise.
filed a FOIA the other day for a high resolution scan of this photo. Would be nice to know what we're talking about as regards this "protruding lower lip" business.Perhaps it is just the poor resolution, but is there a hint of a turkey wattle as well?
Robert,Everything you just wrote has nothing to do with what I have said.
You don't even understand what I'm talking about, yet you want to argue with me.
Nothing can be gained from this discussion, so I am going to let it drop.
Chaucer, everything I posted above relates to the winds aloft on the evening of the hijacking. The sources I cited are the only factual information that is available for those winds.
If you are claiming that you have other "sources" for those winds then you are mistaken because there are no other sources. There were no Voodoo winds that evening.
Everything you just wrote has nothing to do with what I have said.
You don't even understand what I'm talking about, yet you want to argue with me.
Nothing can be gained from this discussion, so I am going to let it drop.
I lived here in Portland area in 1971 and for most of my life.Based on your experience, what is the typical wind direction? And what was the wind direction that night?
I totally disagree with the wind direction you are alleging. That’s just not the wind direction I have ever witnessed in almost all of my years and definitely not the direction on Nov 24, 1971.
Robert,
The link that I provided is an Aviation Weather Report supplied by Weather Bureau to the FBI. The reporting stations are airports. There is even a section entited "PIREPS" which, as you know, stands for Pilot Reports".
did you even bother to look at it or had you made up your mind already?
Further, the data of the winds aloft provided by Tom Kaye is from the ground to 12,000 feet AMSL.
Lastly, what you are saying is irrelevant in the end because we do not have reliable wind data for any reasonable DZ during any reasonable jump time. There are winds for Portland. Winds for Toledo. Winds for Seattle. Winds for Salem.
But there is no wind data for Ariel, Battle Ground, Orchards, Hockinson, Brush Prairie, or Vancouver during the time period of 8:10 to say 8:20. It's all extrapolation and estimation.
My point is that, if we can gain anything from this weather/wind data, it is that our understanding of the winds is incomplete and far more variable than simply "blowing directly northeast". All that said, I am working on a tip from a source about information that may indicate definitely what the wind was like that night in those areas I indicated above. Once I verify its accuracy, I will post what I find.