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DB Cooper / Re: General Questions About The Case
« Last post by Chaucer on July 06, 2023, 07:52:20 PM »
Tom posted the NOAA data on here. Go look at page 117 of the Flight Path thread. He posted images there. It clearly shows a consistent southerly wind. It does not support your claim that the wind was blowing directly from the southeast to the northeast.

It’s also important to note that this data was collected in Salem, OR and Quillayute Airport in Forks, WA which is a distance of over 200 miles. The DZ would fall somewhere in this large swath of space. The wind speed and direction would be mere extrapolations and not exact representations of the winds aloft near the DZ.

Moreover, in the recent FBI Vault release, there was a segment on weather data provided to the FBI by the US Weather Bureau. This weather data included multiple reporting stations along the West Coast. The data provided was from 7pm, 8pm, and 9pm on the date of the hijacking. The closest reporting stations to any reasonable DZ would be Portland International, Troutdale Airport, and Toledo, WA.

Here is that wind data:

 Time.                         
7pm
Toledo.                160 degrees at 4 knots
PDX.                    130 degrees at 4 knots
Troutdale.            170 degrees at 3 knots

8pm
Toledo.                190 degrees at 5 knots
PDX.                   270 degrees at 10 knots
Troutdale.            220 degrees at 7 knots

9pm
Toledo.                190 degrees at 6 knots
PDX.                   190 degrees at 11 knots
Troutdale.            220 degrees at 1 knot

The outlier of course is PDX at 8pm. According to the data supplied by the US Weather Bureau, the wind shits from out of the SOUTHEAST at 130 degrees to out of the WEST at 270 degrees in one hour and then shifts again from out of the WEST at 270 degrees to out of the SOUTH-SOUTHWEST an hour after that.

Now, that is certainly possible for a dramatic shift in wind over an hour period, but it is unusual. Could it be that the 270 is actually a typographical error and the wind was blowing out of the SOUTH-SOUTHEAST at 170 degrees?

Either way, it would appear that the wind direction was shifting throughout the night, and that any wind speed or direction at the DZ - say between Ariel and the Columbia is merely an estimate based on weather reports from stations miles away.

Even the historical data from Weather Underground states that the wind from from the SE at 8pm at PDX.

I have more information obviously, but I want to make sure I have facts before I make any claims.
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DB Cooper / Re: General Questions About The Case
« Last post by Robert99 on July 06, 2023, 03:25:18 PM »
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Well, I'm confused.

First, Weather Underground only has weather data from the Portland airport from the night of the hijacking. That data suggests that at 7pm the wind was blowing from the southeast at 5mph and shifted to blowing from the SSW at 12mph by 10pm. This would probably suggest that at the time Cooper bailed the wind was also blowing 5+mph from the SOUTH.

I can't find any weather or wind data between Portland airport and SeaTac. Nothing near where the placard was found. Nothing near Cinebar. Nothing near Ariel.

SeaTac's weather data also has the wind blowing from the south at 7pm but also shifting and blowing from the SOUTHEAST at 14mph.

My point is that I cannot find any substantial weather data for the route south between Seattle and Portland, and what data I did find suggests that the wind was blowing from the south or southeast and didn't shift to the SSW until after Cooper jumped.

That's why I am eager to find more weather data. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this as it has been taken for granted that the wind was blowing from the SSW at the time Cooper jumped.
I've been doing a deep dive into the weather data from that night. I received data from a source that the wind direction - both on the ground and aloft - was likely NOT blowing consistently from the southwest to the northeast. Rather, the winds between LaCenter and Portland were shifting - blowing from the SE to the SW and back again. Thus, they were generally blowing in a north to northwest direction. Clearly, this stands in contrast to the generally accepted idea that the winds were blowing toward the NE. This would have an obvious impact on where Cooper landed and the ensuing ground search. When I have all my ducks in a row, I will be sure to post what I have here for everyone to see.

What is the source of your claim that the wind was blowing in any direction other than from the southwest to the northeast at the time of the hijacking?

Tom Kaye has researched and posted on this site the predicted winds aloft for the Portland to Seattle area that the FAA used for flight planning purposes on the evening of the hijacking.  Those winds were from the southwest to the northeast at 10,000 feet.

Also, Tom Kaye has obtained and posted the NOAA balloon data for the winds aloft at two different locations in Oregon and Washington, and two different times of the day, for the day of the hijacking.  The winds at 10,000 feet were consistently from the southwest to the northeast.

The claim by Captain Bohan that he had an 80-knot headwind from the southeast in the Portland area that evening is nonsense.  No such wind existed.

The winds aloft on the evening of the hijacking are known, accurate, and readily available.  Any claims to the contrary are made by people who are just ignoring the facts because they do not fit into their pet theory.
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DB Cooper / Re: General Questions About The Case
« Last post by Chaucer on July 06, 2023, 11:25:47 AM »
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Well, I'm confused.

First, Weather Underground only has weather data from the Portland airport from the night of the hijacking. That data suggests that at 7pm the wind was blowing from the southeast at 5mph and shifted to blowing from the SSW at 12mph by 10pm. This would probably suggest that at the time Cooper bailed the wind was also blowing 5+mph from the SOUTH.

I can't find any weather or wind data between Portland airport and SeaTac. Nothing near where the placard was found. Nothing near Cinebar. Nothing near Ariel.

SeaTac's weather data also has the wind blowing from the south at 7pm but also shifting and blowing from the SOUTHEAST at 14mph.

My point is that I cannot find any substantial weather data for the route south between Seattle and Portland, and what data I did find suggests that the wind was blowing from the south or southeast and didn't shift to the SSW until after Cooper jumped.

That's why I am eager to find more weather data. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this as it has been taken for granted that the wind was blowing from the SSW at the time Cooper jumped.
I've been doing a deep dive into the weather data from that night. I received data from a source that the wind direction - both on the ground and aloft - was likely NOT blowing consistently from the southwest to the northeast. Rather, the winds between LaCenter and Portland were shifting - blowing from the SE to the SW and back again. Thus, they were generally blowing in a north to northwest direction. Clearly, this stands in contrast to the generally accepted idea that the winds were blowing toward the NE. This would have an obvious impact on where Cooper landed and the ensuing ground search. When I have all my ducks in a row, I will be sure to post what I have here for everyone to see.
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DB Cooper / Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Last post by Robert99 on June 29, 2023, 02:31:18 PM »
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What has happened to everyone ?
This forum is gone MIA….. Just like Cooper !

I know, it's been very few posts lately. BUT - At the lower left corner of the home page, there's that 'users online' count, where it shows 'users' and 'guests'. Have I got that right, that means how many people are looking at the site at the moment? Normally, the 'guests' have been somewhere around 100, but lately it's been saying 600, 700, even 800. Does that really mean that there are several hundred people looking at the site at a given time? If so, who the hell are all these people??

At the moment there are 700+ "guests" on this site.  These people are not interested in the Cooper hijacking.  They are socialists and psychologists who are studying us.
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DB Cooper / Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Last post by dudeman17 on June 29, 2023, 01:21:19 AM »
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What has happened to everyone ?
This forum is gone MIA….. Just like Cooper !

I know, it's been very few posts lately. BUT - At the lower left corner of the home page, there's that 'users online' count, where it shows 'users' and 'guests'. Have I got that right, that means how many people are looking at the site at the moment? Normally, the 'guests' have been somewhere around 100, but lately it's been saying 600, 700, even 800. Does that really mean that there are several hundred people looking at the site at a given time? If so, who the hell are all these people??
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DB Cooper / Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Last post by Kermit on June 28, 2023, 07:14:34 PM »
Wow ! It’s good to see you’re still around. What has happened to everyone ?
This forum is gone MIA….. Just like Cooper !
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DB Cooper / Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Last post by 377 on June 23, 2023, 02:57:02 PM »
Ted was a seasoned criminal. Ted was super qualified to do NORJAK. Ted needed money. Billy Waugh and many of Ted’s other military colleagues thought he was DBC. But where was he on Thanksgiving evening 1971? And how would you connect him to the tie particles? Such an appealing candidate. But nothing ties him to the plane.

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DB Cooper / Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Last post by snowmman on June 08, 2023, 07:11:04 PM »
revisiting the Beeson book

picture of the Dearbaugh family unit with Ted.. ...Ted is 2nd from left

"According to a family member, Ted's stepfather was extremely strict with him, much more so than with his own (biological) son. He would spank Ted and was very short with him. He was also very emotionally cold to young Ted. (Ted's nickname was Corky)
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DB Cooper / Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Last post by snowmman on June 08, 2023, 06:49:38 PM »
Bingo. Found out why Ted Jr listed Wolfe Lake Indiana on his WWII registration card with the fake 1925 birth year.

Wolfe Lake, Indiana was were his dad was born (Wolf Lake actually) in 1907

His dad was a tool and die maker. evidently died in 1961
I forget the details of the clip-on tie from the hijack, what was the earliest date it could have been manufactured?
Could the clip-on tie have been inherited from his dad's tie collection after his dad's death?

Ted Jr is mentioned in the obit. (with Galveston, Tex?)

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DB Cooper / Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Last post by snowmman on June 08, 2023, 06:43:02 PM »
stop the presses
Rosalind Lauer Robinson
Ted Jr.'s first wife
(she was Lauer when he married her)
she died as Rosalind Lauer Robinson
Birth 8 May 1926
Death 13 Dec 2011 aged 85
in Detroit, Wayne Country, Michigan USA

per  findagrave.com/memorial/207563039/rosalind-robinson
 


Rosalind Lauer Robinson
BIRTH
8 May 1926
Ohio, USA
DEATH
13 Dec 2011 (aged 85)
Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, USA
BURIAL
Cremated
 
The memorial though mentions Bruce Braden as her child..??? But Ted Braden isn't mentioned. He was dead by 2011 though.
Odd Ted is not mentioned in the memorial. He is linked as Family Member Spouse though.

ROBINSON ROSALIND BRADEN, Ed.D Age 85. Died peacefully December 13th 2011 surrounded by her family. Preceded in death by her loving husband George H. Robinson. Survived by her children Bruce Braden and Christine Blair, and beloved stepchildren Patricia Rodgers, Michael (Kathy), Diane Macki (Thomas), David Robinson, Ann Flynn (Craig), Russell Robinson, ten grandchildren and two great grandchildren. Memorial to be held at a later date. Contributions to Wayne State University theater program or Micheal J Fox Parkinson foundation.
Published in The Detroit News on Dec. 17, 2011

from that page is a picture of her provided by Mike Dearbaugh, when she attended Toledo University in 1948. This would have been around when she was with Ted Jr?

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