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As repeatedly pointed out to you, the only available winds aloft information for the Portland and Seattle areas is that provided by the NOAA balloon data and the FAA winds aloft data provided to pilots for flight planning.

Pointed out to me? I'm the one that posted the file with the data, Robert. You chose not to read it.

Discussing this topic with you is exhausting. What exactly have I said that you disagree with?

Chaucer, I am not aware of you posting a file with any meaningful data.  The only meaningful or realistic winds aloft data that I am aware of is that which Tom Kaye obtained and I believe it is all posted on this site.

So, what were the winds aloft between Ariel and Vancouver between 8:05pm and 8:20 pm on November 24th, 1971?

As repeatedly pointed out to you, the only available winds aloft information for the Portland and Seattle areas is that provided by the NOAA balloon data and the FAA winds aloft data provided to pilots for flight planning.

Again, again, and again, get the FAA's publication "Aviation Weather" and give it a thorough study.  If 17-year-old boys and girls have to study aviation weather to get pilot licenses then you should be able to handle the subject as well.

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Everything you just wrote has nothing to do with what I have said.

You don't even understand what I'm talking about, yet you want to argue with me.

Nothing can be gained from this discussion, so I am going to let it drop.

Chaucer, everything I posted above relates to the winds aloft on the evening of the hijacking.  The sources I cited are the only factual information that is available for those winds.

If you are claiming that you have other "sources" for those winds then you are mistaken because there are no other sources.   There were no Voodoo winds that evening.

Robert,
I have said nothing about the winds aloft except to cite Tom Kaye's radiosonde data. That data seems to indicate that the ground winds and winds aloft were pretty consistent without any extreme change. They also indicate a more southerly wind than is generally accepted.

The ground winds were estimates from reporting stations several miles away from any reasonable dropzone. No one knows exactly what the wind speed or direction was between 8:05 and 8:20 between Ariel and Vancouver.


None of this is new or particularly controversial. The only Voodoo appears to be you claiming otherwise.

Chaucer, again you are ignoring the winds aloft.

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Everything you just wrote has nothing to do with what I have said.

You don't even understand what I'm talking about, yet you want to argue with me.

Nothing can be gained from this discussion, so I am going to let it drop.

Chaucer, everything I posted above relates to the winds aloft on the evening of the hijacking.  The sources I cited are the only factual information that is available for those winds.

If you are claiming that you have other "sources" for those winds then you are mistaken because there are no other sources.   There were no Voodoo winds that evening.

Robert,
I have said nothing about the winds aloft except to cite Tom Kaye's radiosonde data. That data seems to indicate that the ground winds and winds aloft were pretty consistent without any extreme change. They also indicate a more southerly wind than is generally accepted.

The ground winds were estimates from reporting stations several miles away from any reasonable dropzone. No one knows exactly what the wind speed or direction was between 8:05 and 8:20 between Ariel and Vancouver.


None of this is new or particularly controversial. The only Voodoo appears to be you claiming otherwise.

Everything you just wrote has nothing to do with what I have said.

You don't even understand what I'm talking about, yet you want to argue with me.

Nothing can be gained from this discussion, so I am going to let it drop.

Chaucer, everything I posted above relates to the winds aloft on the evening of the hijacking.  The sources I cited are the only factual information that is available for those winds.

If you are claiming that you have other "sources" for those winds then you are mistaken because there are no other sources.   There were no Voodoo winds that evening.