This is why I tried to get the travel channel to do a test with the dredge.

FBI document dated August  1980 states a bag could get through. If the bag was still bundled it would get through. It probably would break up and destroy alot of the bills, but not all of them...

Facts we know

The river was dredged
The material was placed on the scene.
The materiall was sand
The money was found in  sand
Pieces of money were found at different depths...

I'm not positive about anything with this case, but certain things stick out more than others..

This is why I tried to get the travel channel to do a test with the dredge.

FBI document dated August  1980 states a bag could get through. If the bag was still bundled it would get through. It probably would break up and destroy alot of the bills, but not all of them...

Facts we know

The river was dredged
The material was placed on the scene.
The materiall was sand
The money was found in  sand
Pieces of money were found at different depths...

I'm not positive about anything with this case, but certain things stick out more than others..

I agree with all of this but what "FBI document dated August  1980 states a bag could get through" ?

What doc are you referring to?

This is why I tried to get the travel channel to do a test with the dredge.

FBI document dated August  1980 states a bag could get through. If the bag was still bundled it would get through. It probably would break up and destroy alot of the bills, but not all of them...

Facts we know

The river was dredged
The material was placed on the scene.
The materiall was sand
The money was found in  sand
Pieces of money were found at different depths...

I'm not positive about anything with this case, but certain things stick out more than others..

That was my point, no way those bills get through a dredge as found unless they were protected.

... the condition of the Ingram money shows (obvious) mechanical type damage. Draw your own conclusions.

 

This statement caught my attention.   What is the mechanical type damage you see, Georger? 

Shutter:   Another fact you must consider is that Dwayne Ingram knew EXACTLY where to find the DB money on all of Tina Bar for his son to "clear the place for the fire". He told his son "Not there but to clear the spot EXACTLY HERE"and that must have been because Dwayne planted the money there for his son to find. When viewing the History Channel 4hr program and hearing Dwayne explain how he told his son the EXACT place to clear, it is obvious to me that Dwayne planted the money there and that is why he could exactly point to the spot to clear. His was a phony story to cover up that he had planted the money. Now, where did Dwayne get the three bundles? Could it have been from DB the night of Norjak as a thank you for picking up DB on the road and taking him to PDX Portland? I could believe that story more than the phony "my son found the bundles while clearing the sand for a fire".
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Did Dwayne also plant the bill fragments at a lower level in the sand?  If he did, what was the purpose?

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... the condition of the Ingram money shows (obvious) mechanical type damage. Draw your own conclusions.

 

This statement caught my attention.   What is the mechanical type damage you see, Georger?

In addition to natural weathering (around perimeters of bill stacks), you have what I would call mechanical features, ie. holes, abraded areas, cuts, compressions, all of which indicate an 'active' history for what was once socalled 'intact' pristine bundles.

Ask yourself which of these groups of money was on top or on the bottom, in the middle, etc. when no single damage feature carries throughout all of these groups, as seen. If this was a single block of damaged cheese and you cut it into sections lengthwise, all of the pieces would presumably fit back together with damage features mating. Try that with these money groups shown that were presumably once intact bundles, according to the Ingrams.

These pieces dont fit together in any obvious way. The damage in the different groups doesn't mate up or carry through to some next adjacent money group. And the pieces of damage represent multiple mechanical events of different natures, somehow.       

If these pieces were a jig saw puzzle, try putting the pieces back together (without inventing new pieces not shown! There are pieces missing if this was once three intact bundles.).

Robert99   You say:  "Did Dwayne also plant the bill fragments at a lower level in the sand?  If he did, what was the purpose?"

I say he  arrived at the beach with the three bundles of money in a paper bag and when he dug a hole and removed the three bundles of money the fragments that had come off the money were still in the bag. So, before he placed the money in the hole, he turned the bag up-side down over the hole and shook the fragments into the hole (added some sand) and then shook again before placing the three bundles in  to be lightly covered with sand for his son to find easily. That would place the fragments lowest in the hole then sand and the rest of the fragments and maybe more sand and finally the three bundles.

BobSailshaw
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Commodore Sailshaw,

You have been at sea too long.  Reality will start returning to you after a few more visits to the bar at the Seattle Yacht Club.