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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Offline Shutter

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2520 on: January 05, 2017, 07:26:03 PM »
Here is a view of Caterpillar Island beach area. it has plenty of space and area's that would be good for testing away from any activity on the island...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2521 on: January 08, 2017, 03:35:42 PM »
Not all rubber band stories end alike_

Would anyone care to guess how old these samples of recovered money are_on an official website? Now compare these samples to the 9 year old Ingram-find Corbis photo. Quite obviously environmental factors produce different results.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2522 on: January 08, 2017, 04:28:24 PM »
Damadian was the first to perform a full body scan of a human being in 1977 to diagnose cancer after inventing an apparatus and method to use Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Spectroscopy safely and accurately to scan the human body, a method now generically known as magnetic resonance imaging ( or the MRI).

By 1980 the 'MRI' was not being commonly used as a forensic tool and no 'MRI' scans were made of the Ingram find or we might be able to reconstruct and examine in some detail what was presented at the Portland Office of the FBI by the Ingrams on Feb 13th, 1980.

Instead, these stacks of money were disassembled into a series of semi pressed, flattened, and semi-cleaned bills laid carefully into FBI evidence folders, to be saved for finger printing by the old silver nitrate method which predictably proved fruitless and destructive to the very evidence needing to be preserved. Then at length, after legal action, the Court divided these bills and parts of bills among the various contentious parties all staking some claim stake in this matter, and the original evidence was split up again further losing the integrity of the original evidence find.

I said back in 2008/09 that 'Nobody has commented or made any forensic effort to date to interpret these original photos ...' and that remains the case to this day. These tattered broken abraded decayed groups of bills fall into a forensic category and tell a story. These bills are conveying part of their history right in front of our eyes. That story goes way beyond some mere shifting (or torquing) of a few bills noted by Tom Kaye. The general morphology of each stack of bills tells a story singly and as a group. The general gross features raise lots of questions! It may even be difficult to believe that all of these groups of bills were once stacked neatly together, one on top of the other (owing to the features seen in the Corbis photo), as the Ingrams said something like: 'we pulled these "bundles" out in pieces', whatever that means, presumably all from the same place in the sand which Brian says he was pushing sand aside to make a recess to build a fire. Or whatever actually happened.

I will leave it at that for the time being.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2523 on: January 11, 2017, 06:40:57 PM »
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Superb video.

This is quite bucolic, but is it Caterpillar Island? I've never seen the place from the water, but from Lower River Road the woods look very dense, much thicker and taller than what I could see in the video. When I was leaving the TC shoot last August and Meyer and I were talking about where the Hunt for DB Cooper should go next, we scanned the island north of the marina and it looked like very rough territory.

"We're gonna get torn up in there," I said to myself, "and it'll take a dozen researchers about a week to explore anything meaningful."

Also, I'd love to see the inlet where the east channel rejoins the Columbia. That would be Action Central for looking for DBC, as that waterway could be the key mechanism for getting money to T-Bar.
 

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« Reply #2524 on: January 11, 2017, 06:41:56 PM »
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Here is a view of Caterpillar Island beach area. it has plenty of space and area's that would be good for testing away from any activity on the island...

That wing dam might be where Tosaw and Galen found the pilot chute in 20 feet of water.
 

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« Reply #2525 on: January 11, 2017, 06:48:08 PM »
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Superb video.

This is quite bucolic, but is it Caterpillar Island? I've never seen the place from the water, but from Lower River Road the woods look very dense, much thicker and taller than what I could see in the video. When I was leaving the TC shoot last August and Meyer and I were talking about where the Hunt for DB Cooper should go next, we scanned the island north of the marina and it looked like very rough territory.

"We're gonna get torn up in there," I said to myself, "and it'll take a dozen researchers about a week to explore anything meaningful."

Also, I'd love to see the inlet where the east channel rejoins the Columbia. That would be Action Central for looking for DBC, as that waterway could be the key mechanism for getting money to T-Bar.

Bruce,

We were just a few hundred feet downstream from where the channel between the mainland and Caterpillar Island rejoins the Columbia.
 

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« Reply #2526 on: January 11, 2017, 07:26:45 PM »
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« Reply #2527 on: January 11, 2017, 11:16:27 PM »
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Here is a view of Caterpillar Island beach area. it has plenty of space and area's that would be good for testing away from any activity on the island...

That wing dam might be where Tosaw and Galen found the pilot chute in 20 feet of water.

If you go back to the news articles I dont think it was Galen or Tosaw who found the pilot chute, but another guy who knew Tosaw. Neither Galen or Tosaw were there. The diver was working on his own?
 

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« Reply #2528 on: January 11, 2017, 11:50:34 PM »
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that this might be where Tosaw and Galen reported that the pilot chute was found.
 

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« Reply #2529 on: January 11, 2017, 11:52:22 PM »
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Superb video.

This is quite bucolic, but is it Caterpillar Island? I've never seen the place from the water, but from Lower River Road the woods look very dense, much thicker and taller than what I could see in the video. When I was leaving the TC shoot last August and Meyer and I were talking about where the Hunt for DB Cooper should go next, we scanned the island north of the marina and it looked like very rough territory.

"We're gonna get torn up in there," I said to myself, "and it'll take a dozen researchers about a week to explore anything meaningful."

Also, I'd love to see the inlet where the east channel rejoins the Columbia. That would be Action Central for looking for DBC, as that waterway could be the key mechanism for getting money to T-Bar.

Bruce,

We were just a few hundred feet downstream from where the channel between the mainland and Caterpillar Island rejoins the Columbia.

So close and yet so far. Do you think the video shows Caterpillar Island? Just asking. It didn't have an definitive reference points as far as I could tell.
 

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« Reply #2530 on: January 11, 2017, 11:56:46 PM »
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Superb video.

This is quite bucolic, but is it Caterpillar Island? I've never seen the place from the water, but from Lower River Road the woods look very dense, much thicker and taller than what I could see in the video. When I was leaving the TC shoot last August and Meyer and I were talking about where the Hunt for DB Cooper should go next, we scanned the island north of the marina and it looked like very rough territory.

"We're gonna get torn up in there," I said to myself, "and it'll take a dozen researchers about a week to explore anything meaningful."

Also, I'd love to see the inlet where the east channel rejoins the Columbia. That would be Action Central for looking for DBC, as that waterway could be the key mechanism for getting money to T-Bar.

Bruce,

We were just a few hundred feet downstream from where the channel between the mainland and Caterpillar Island rejoins the Columbia.

So close and yet so far. Do you think the video shows Caterpillar Island? Just asking. It didn't have an definitive reference points as far as I could tell.

Bruce,

As you may remember, we could not get around a nearly vertical "wall", which ended at the water's edge, in order to get a good view of Caterpillar Island itself.  The pictures that Shutter posted this evening show the outlet from the channel you asked about earlier and included the shipwreck at the north end of Caterpillar Island. 
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2531 on: January 12, 2017, 12:02:30 AM »


overhead photo of the wingdam, and same wingdam from the boat?
 

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Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that this might be where Tosaw and Galen reported that the pilot chute was found.

Here's the Rainey article ...
 

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« Reply #2533 on: January 12, 2017, 04:09:52 AM »
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Bruce,

As you may remember, we could not get around a nearly vertical "wall", which ended at the water's edge, in order to get a good view of Caterpillar Island itself.  The pictures that Shutter posted this evening show the outlet from the channel you asked about earlier and included the shipwreck at the north end of Caterpillar Island.

Yes, the pix from Shutter clearly shows the channel. However, the video does not, and that was the reason I was asking for more confirmation on whether the video was actually showing Caterpillar Island, or exactly what parts of the island.
 

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« Reply #2534 on: January 12, 2017, 12:23:19 PM »
100% certain that it isn't a pilot chute for a personnel parachute. It's similar but not identical to flare parachutes I have seen and also similar to radiosonde (weather balloon transmitter) chutes I have seen. It has nothing to do with DBC. Wrong type, not spring loaded, too small.

I loaned all the DBC 727 scene chutes (NB 8 main and 2 reserves) seen in the Josh Gates Travel Channel production, free of charge. Also spoke with the staff about why I thought the DBC jump was survivable.

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