Questions for Plant Theorists:

If the tres bundolas were planted, why were they found in such a degraded state? All to make it look un-planted? This means that the planting idea had to be long-standing so that the bills could degrade, presumably somewhere else besides T-Bar.

Or were the bills were planted shortly after the skyjacking, with an anticipation of being needed to look un-planted sometime in the future?

The simple answer to all of your questions is that the money was not planted in the first place.

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Posting this here bcause its related to the money find ...

R99 speaks of 305 possibly passing within 1000 ft of Tina Bar such that Cooper money might have washed on to Tina Bar from this area. Here is a chart showing the drainage area adjacent to Tina Bar, marked off in 2000 foot segments ... out to 8000 feet from a point midway between Caterpillar Island and TBar.

Georger, Let me point out again that the NW Lower River Road is built on top of a levee that is about 4 or 5 feet higher than the land east of it.

This results in everything EAST of that road draining into Vancouver Lake and down the Lake River to enter the Columbia River about 15 or 20 miles downstream of Tina Bar.

Consequently, the drainage from WEST of that road only has to go from about 100 feet at the southern end of Caterpillar Island to about 1000 feet at the money find location area until it is in the Columbia River.

The drainage area is very, very small.  Probably a lot less than one-half of a square mile.

And again, if you were going to look in the area you think might be affected  'where' would you look? I assume you are talking about WEST of River Road ?

Also would you say the elevation at River Road-levee is about 30+ feet? (because just east of River Road it is ~20+ feet). ?

I really don't have anything to accurately judge the elevation of the River Road levee, but my guess is that it will be considerably less than 20 feet above sea level.

Hmmm. Thats surprising, to me at least. Its 20ft right up to the levee on the west side according to the map, then jumps to 24, 44, 45 feet etc to the east. ??

It is lower to the EAST the road.

Searching in this area for a Cooper money event, such as impact, would make great TV. Hint, hint..... Travel Channel? Anyone?

Actually, it would be about as interesting as watching grass grow.  How do you sex up digging in the sand, sticking your head into briar patches, etc., etc.?

Cooper Sleuth groupies?

There's an interesting discussion on the colorization of the money developing at the Mountain News:

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Of course, some posters are adding distractions, but I figure most of us know how to avoid those minefields.

Well, Tom tracked the blackening to silver nitrate finger printing by the FBI and confirmed that elemental fact by lab tests. Pat Ingram reported through Brian that she attempted to clean some of the bills in her kitchen sink using common dish soap and a little Clorox. The common dish detergent would tend to brighten colors; the Clorox would whiten or bleach the bills. Tom traced the holes to bacterial growths and demonstrated progressive bacterial invasion with bacterial consumption of the paper fibers. (see his site)

As a rule, FBI agents are not experts in these areas but experts at the FBI Quantico lab are. The true experts in this area are the forensic people at the US Treasury Forensic Lab who have a vast experience in this area with literally millions of samples and a vast data base. I dont have anything to indicate US Treasury Forensic people or experts at Quantico ever saw or examined Cooper money, because in the 70s and early 80s forensic labs were maintained by the FBI in Washington DC, separate from the US Treasury or any other governmental-military labs. Carr and others have always referred to the Cooper money being sent to 'FBI labs at Washington DC' for analysis. Its always been my understanding that FBI labs at Washington DC were independent laboratories, during that period of time.

The microbiologist at Smith's website could be correct while the other facts established to date are also correct. That wouldnt surprise me frankly, because we know Tom's tests were basic which leaves room for other facts coexisting with what Tom has found and documented. I dont think anyone is contending that they have the whole story on the money, in fact I am rather sure they don't. So I would encourage the microbiologist to contribute anything he can to this matter. 

Cook's interpretation of the Palmer report is different from mine. I don't read where Palmer says he thought the money had been at TBar 9-10 years? I dont even see those numbers in my version of the Palmer Report. In the version of the Palmer report I examined Palmer is very specific that he felt the money was a 'recent' arrival at Tina Bar and he argues for that interpretation finally citing flooding in the Washougal in 1978; and I have always posted accordingly. Cook and I talked about this difference years ago and I think Galen decided we might have different reports each was reading? I have no explanation for where Cook is getting his information.

Lastly, the issue of a brief case being found at Tena Bar has been resolved, some time ago. This was resolved after extensive interviews of agents who were at the excavation. No brief case or bag or remnants of same were found at Tena Bar. What did happened, however, was that Himmelsbach and several other agents were impressed by the 'surprisingly good condition of the Cooper bills'. These agents could not believe that currency could have been sitting at Tina Bar (in nature) since 1971, or even 1974. Lead agents then put out the word for all diggers to be on the look out for anything that looked like remnants of a "bag" or a "brief case", or any other type of "covering", that might have once covered the Cooper money. That is the context in which the words "brief case" surfaced during the excavation at Tina Bar It had nothing to do with any brief case or any other covering material being found at the excavation. Dorwin Schreuder agrees 100% with this conclusion, as he and I have discussed and researched this matter together at length over many years. 
   

   

     

I wonder why Dorwin was so clear about the brief case with me. He's not the kind of guy to exaggerate or fabricate stories. But he did say that maybe his memory was faulty due to all the years. Maybe that's all it is.

Retired agents are funny. Dorwin is the only one I've spoken with whom I consider a straight shooter. Himms is quirky. I only got to see him because I drove down his driveway on a Sunday afternoon and caught him doing laundry. Detlor is a nice guy, generally responded to occasional emails in the past, but he's gone dark on me just after he promised to talk with me face-to-face, plus, he's not responding to emails since the promise. Larry Ckret Carr looked downright chatty on the HC docu, too, but he is so resistant to talking to anyone outside of LMNO. He doesn't even talk to Galen. Hmmm.

Once again Mr. Smith, nobody has reported or confirmed any Cooper artifacts (other than money) being found at Tina Bar, and this includes the KATU reporter, KATU video, and others who were there as witnesses during the excavation which includes Agent Dorwin Schreuder. I have explained the context in which the words "brief case, money bag, and covering" did come up during the excavation but none of those artifacts were apparently discovered.

Moreover, the Tina Bar excavation was not a full blown 'professional archaeological dig', as Tom Kaye might mean it. The excavation was a "probing expedition" carried out by FBI agents and others including professional staff from Portland State University and others who gave the FBI advice on how things should proceed. The lead agent on scene, Dorwin Schreuder, had the good sense to lay out a grid and do a 'walk through' (canvas) of the site stretching several hundred yards north and south of the Ingram find. Money fragments were noted in this field. Then further work including raking, hoeing, digging, screening, etc commenced in vital areas where money fragments had turned up. But, the FBI did not have the resources to conduct an full-blown professional archaeological dig over the whole extent of Tina Bar and nothing during the excavation turned up to warrant such a campaign. During none of this did anything suggestive of Cooper's brief case, money bag, personal effects, parachute, etc turn up. Had anything of that nature been discovered I can assure you professionals at several Universities who were monitoring this situation would have stepped in to mount a "professional archeological dig".

That is the information I have - if you have something better please present it.

        

The Galen Cook Science Team's Investigation of Tina Bar:

Are you aware that Galen Cook formed a "science team" to investigate the money find at Tena Bar? Perhaps Mr. Smith can enlighten us about what Cook's Science Team's findings were. It's my understanding Cook had a hydrologist and several other specialists who he worked with investigating the money find at Tena Bar.

  

Yes, I am aware of the group, and "No," I don't know the findings from Galen's hydrology team. But I can say this:

Galen's group has been working on the subject of the money find, strata at T-Bar, and hydrological events that could have influenced the money deposit and find. The only thing definitive that I've heard from Galen is that the money arrived at T-Bar within two years of discovery, and I think that conclusion is based on a keener understanding of Palmer's report.

Why do you ask?

Why the snarkiness?

I ask because its a fact  a - a seldom published fact!

What's snarky about that! ?

I mean if Mr. Cook has a real science team that has produced some real science, maybe we should know about it?

What's snarky about that?

You call me Grumpy, now Snarky - what's next?  "Stupid"? You seem to be incapable of a simple civil conversation!

 

Statement from Galen Cook:


"My science team is paid by me.  The lab costs are paid by me.  The findings are proprietary.  If Georger, or anyone, wants to pony up costs, let me know,  and I may divulge.  Otherwise,  'go pay for your own science team.  Go to Tena's Bar and do some real work and investigation of your own.  Most of the armchair crowd have never even been to TB.'"


GC