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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Offline Tom Kaye

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2265 on: August 08, 2016, 12:51:08 AM »
fragment pics.

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2266 on: August 08, 2016, 12:51:59 AM »

200k image size is pretty darn small. 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2267 on: August 08, 2016, 12:52:43 AM »
lol, click on the photo to enlarge......
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2268 on: August 08, 2016, 01:00:49 AM »

Not the thumbnail, the upload is limited to 200k picture size.
 

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« Reply #2269 on: August 08, 2016, 01:05:14 AM »
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Not the thumbnail, the upload is limited to 200k picture size.


yes, it's small in that perspective..photo's eat a lot of bandwidth, even though these sites tell you "unlimited space" or storage, it's still better to cut some corners somewhere. a lot of photo's are posted here. I might up it a little more though..the DZ was around the same.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2270 on: August 08, 2016, 01:38:03 AM »
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200k image size is pretty darn small. 

Tom Kaye

and where did these socalled fragments come from?

possible answers:

_ I dont know
_ They are the fragments collected from the excavation at Tena Bar
_ They were residue left over from the bill evidence folders which was spilled into two plastic boxes to keep at some point ...?
_They are fragments and residue from only the Imgram money file folders.
_ Other (undisclosed)

_ Im not going to reply to you!  >:D
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2271 on: August 08, 2016, 02:43:56 PM »
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Hello All,

While Georger's description of what we think happened to the money on Tena Bar is accurate, his comment that Carol A. didn't have any facts on the money shards is completely false. We ALL SAW THE MONEY FRAGMENTS period, end of story.  I just went back and looked at our pics and there are two small plastic boxes. One is marked '<1mm' and has dust size fragments in it. The other is marked '+1mm' and has larger fragments in it, maybe a thimble full.  Besides that there is a larger sandwich size plastic bag that is labeled '2mm' and has about 10 small pieces in it. From a scientific standpoint this is how you would organize and store evidence. There is no hint that there are other unseen bags, boxes or otherwise of fragments.  We have every reason to assume that Larry brought out all he had for solid evidence. He told us the only thing we couldn't see was the paperwork on the thousands of suspects because personal info was private.

 I would upload a pic but it seems you are not hosting pictures on this forum and it is too much of a hassle to post it somewhere else.

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Mr. Kaye says: "We ALL SAW THE MONEY FRAGMENTS period, end of story.  There is no hint that there are other unseen bags, boxes or otherwise of fragments.  We have every reason to assume that Larry brought out all he had for solid evidence. He told us the only thing we couldn't see was the paperwork on the thousands of suspects because personal info was private."

So, Tom is saying the large fragments seen being found and bagged in the KATU video are not real - do not exist.

What is it Tom is saying here ?

Facts: (1) Palmer acknowledges "fragments" were found and calls them "fragments" in the Palmer report. Palmer doesn't say 'dust', 'particles', or tiny obscure pieces' .... he says fragments. Palmer uses that word. Kaye has the same damned reports I do - can't he read! ? Why all of this foot shuffle and rope-a-dope in the Kaye science ring?

(2) In the same papers Tom and I were given by Carr lab reports are mentioned, on money specimens sent in to Washington for analysis. Dorwin Schreuder says he thinks that's where the larger fragments collected at Tena Bar went ... in for analysis. Kaye wont even acknowledge that anything Agent Schreuder says exists!

I am now going to try and cut through all of this bullshit! Here's what I think based on Kaye's past performance. I think in time Mr Kaye will come around and address the KATU video in some diminished form. He will finally acknowledge the existence of the KATU video and say several things: (a) yes the video exists, (b) the video is a mirage which only I and the science team can interpret correctly based on "the evidence" of 'something' Tom will not define or specify, because Tom can't define that!.  (c) Tom will say again exactly what he says above namely  "There is no hint that there are other unseen bags, boxes or otherwise of fragments", and (d) Tom will engage in denial and obscurantism for reasons nobody will ever understand.

Why? It's human nature.  O0 :))

Meanwhile for the rest of us, the KATU video must be put in perspective and given the proper status it deserves. The KATU video must be taken apart and discussed. That will probably be something Tom thinks is a total waste of time, because nobody here can put the excavation evidence envelopes collected in the KATU video, into Tom's personal hands. Tom will recognise only that which is placed in his personal hands. As far as Tom is concerned nothing else exists or could even exist! Tom's bias is very real and an impediment in this matter.   
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2272 on: August 14, 2016, 02:34:19 PM »
Posting this here bcause its related to the money find ...

R99 speaks of 305 possibly passing within 1000 ft of Tina Bar such that Cooper money might have washed on to Tina Bar from this area. Here is a chart showing the drainage area adjacent to Tina Bar, marked off in 2000 foot segments ... out to 8000 feet from a point midway between Caterpillar Island and TBar.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2273 on: August 14, 2016, 02:58:26 PM »
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Posting this here bcause its related to the money find ...

R99 speaks of 305 possibly passing within 1000 ft of Tina Bar such that Cooper money might have washed on to Tina Bar from this area. Here is a chart showing the drainage area adjacent to Tina Bar, marked off in 2000 foot segments ... out to 8000 feet from a point midway between Caterpillar Island and TBar.

Georger, Let me point out again that the NW Lower River Road is built on top of a levee that is about 4 or 5 feet higher than the land east of it.

This results in everything EAST of that road draining into Vancouver Lake and down the Lake River to enter the Columbia River about 15 or 20 miles downstream of Tina Bar.

Consequently, the drainage from WEST of that road only has to go from about 100 feet at the southern end of Caterpillar Island to about 1000 feet at the money find location area until it is in the Columbia River.

The drainage area is very, very small.  Probably a lot less than one-half of a square mile. 
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2274 on: August 14, 2016, 03:25:08 PM »
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Posting this here bcause its related to the money find ...

R99 speaks of 305 possibly passing within 1000 ft of Tina Bar such that Cooper money might have washed on to Tina Bar from this area. Here is a chart showing the drainage area adjacent to Tina Bar, marked off in 2000 foot segments ... out to 8000 feet from a point midway between Caterpillar Island and TBar.

Georger, Let me point out again that the NW Lower River Road is built on top of a levee that is about 4 or 5 feet higher than the land east of it.

This results in everything EAST of that road draining into Vancouver Lake and down the Lake River to enter the Columbia River about 15 or 20 miles downstream of Tina Bar.

Consequently, the drainage from WEST of that road only has to go from about 100 feet at the southern end of Caterpillar Island to about 1000 feet at the money find location area until it is in the Columbia River.

The drainage area is very, very small.  Probably a lot less than one-half of a square mile.

got it --- let me work on a new map focusing on that area ..
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2275 on: August 14, 2016, 03:33:28 PM »
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Posting this here bcause its related to the money find ...

R99 speaks of 305 possibly passing within 1000 ft of Tina Bar such that Cooper money might have washed on to Tina Bar from this area. Here is a chart showing the drainage area adjacent to Tina Bar, marked off in 2000 foot segments ... out to 8000 feet from a point midway between Caterpillar Island and TBar.

Georger, Let me point out again that the NW Lower River Road is built on top of a levee that is about 4 or 5 feet higher than the land east of it.

This results in everything EAST of that road draining into Vancouver Lake and down the Lake River to enter the Columbia River about 15 or 20 miles downstream of Tina Bar.

Consequently, the drainage from WEST of that road only has to go from about 100 feet at the southern end of Caterpillar Island to about 1000 feet at the money find location area until it is in the Columbia River.

The drainage area is very, very small.  Probably a lot less than one-half of a square mile.

And again, if you were going to look in the area you think might be affected  'where' would you look? I assume you are talking about WEST of River Road ?

Also would you say the elevation at River Road-levee is about 30+ feet? (because just east of River Road it is ~20+ feet). ?
 
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2276 on: August 14, 2016, 03:39:07 PM »
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Posting this here bcause its related to the money find ...

R99 speaks of 305 possibly passing within 1000 ft of Tina Bar such that Cooper money might have washed on to Tina Bar from this area. Here is a chart showing the drainage area adjacent to Tina Bar, marked off in 2000 foot segments ... out to 8000 feet from a point midway between Caterpillar Island and TBar.

Georger, Let me point out again that the NW Lower River Road is built on top of a levee that is about 4 or 5 feet higher than the land east of it.

This results in everything EAST of that road draining into Vancouver Lake and down the Lake River to enter the Columbia River about 15 or 20 miles downstream of Tina Bar.

Consequently, the drainage from WEST of that road only has to go from about 100 feet at the southern end of Caterpillar Island to about 1000 feet at the money find location area until it is in the Columbia River.

The drainage area is very, very small.  Probably a lot less than one-half of a square mile.

And again, if you were going to look in the area you think might be affected  'where' would you look? I assume you are talking about WEST of River Road ?

Also would you say the elevation at River Road-levee is about 30+ feet? (because just east of River Road it is ~20+ feet). ?

I really don't have anything to accurately judge the elevation of the River Road levee, but my guess is that it will be considerably less than 20 feet above sea level.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2277 on: August 14, 2016, 04:08:12 PM »


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Posting this here bcause its related to the money find ...

R99 speaks of 305 possibly passing within 1000 ft of Tina Bar such that Cooper money might have washed on to Tina Bar from this area. Here is a chart showing the drainage area adjacent to Tina Bar, marked off in 2000 foot segments ... out to 8000 feet from a point midway between Caterpillar Island and TBar.

Georger, Let me point out again that the NW Lower River Road is built on top of a levee that is about 4 or 5 feet higher than the land east of it.

This results in everything EAST of that road draining into Vancouver Lake and down the Lake River to enter the Columbia River about 15 or 20 miles downstream of Tina Bar.

Consequently, the drainage from WEST of that road only has to go from about 100 feet at the southern end of Caterpillar Island to about 1000 feet at the money find location area until it is in the Columbia River.

The drainage area is very, very small.  Probably a lot less than one-half of a square mile.

And again, if you were going to look in the area you think might be affected  'where' would you look? I assume you are talking about WEST of River Road ?

Also would you say the elevation at River Road-levee is about 30+ feet? (because just east of River Road it is ~20+ feet). ?

I really don't have anything to accurately judge the elevation of the River Road levee, but my guess is that it will be considerably less than 20 feet above sea level.

Hmmm. Thats surprising, to me at least. Its 20ft right up to the levee on the west side according to the map, then jumps to 24, 44, 45 feet etc to the east. ??
 

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« Reply #2278 on: August 14, 2016, 04:34:25 PM »
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Posting this here bcause its related to the money find ...

R99 speaks of 305 possibly passing within 1000 ft of Tina Bar such that Cooper money might have washed on to Tina Bar from this area. Here is a chart showing the drainage area adjacent to Tina Bar, marked off in 2000 foot segments ... out to 8000 feet from a point midway between Caterpillar Island and TBar.

Georger, Let me point out again that the NW Lower River Road is built on top of a levee that is about 4 or 5 feet higher than the land east of it.

This results in everything EAST of that road draining into Vancouver Lake and down the Lake River to enter the Columbia River about 15 or 20 miles downstream of Tina Bar.

Consequently, the drainage from WEST of that road only has to go from about 100 feet at the southern end of Caterpillar Island to about 1000 feet at the money find location area until it is in the Columbia River.

The drainage area is very, very small.  Probably a lot less than one-half of a square mile.

And again, if you were going to look in the area you think might be affected  'where' would you look? I assume you are talking about WEST of River Road ?

Also would you say the elevation at River Road-levee is about 30+ feet? (because just east of River Road it is ~20+ feet). ?

I really don't have anything to accurately judge the elevation of the River Road levee, but my guess is that it will be considerably less than 20 feet above sea level.

Hmmm. Thats surprising, to me at least. Its 20ft right up to the levee on the west side according to the map, then jumps to 24, 44, 45 feet etc to the east. ??

It is lower to the EAST the road.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2279 on: August 18, 2016, 03:35:36 PM »
Questions for Plant Theorists:

If the tres bundolas were planted, why were they found in such a degraded state? All to make it look un-planted? This means that the planting idea had to be long-standing so that the bills could degrade, presumably somewhere else besides T-Bar.

Or were the bills were planted shortly after the skyjacking, with an anticipation of being needed to look un-planted sometime in the future?