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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2235 on: August 06, 2016, 01:23:52 AM »
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Wet $ doesn't float...I've always thought this was the key fact regarding the $ find and why the $ couldn't travel long distances in water.  In theory, I can see how the $ gets on the beach if it was dredged (and a dredge would explain the chards all over the place), but the $ wasn't found at a 'dredge' location right?

The southern edge of the fragment field was about 50 yards north of the northern edge of one dredging spoil site. The Ingram find was about 50 yards further north. See photo attached. This photo was taken prior to any spreading of the dredging spoils.   
 
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2236 on: August 06, 2016, 03:06:01 AM »
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Wet $ doesn't float...I've always thought this was the key fact regarding the $ find and why the $ couldn't travel long distances in water.  In theory, I can see how the $ gets on the beach if it was dredged (and a dredge would explain the chards all over the place), but the $ wasn't found at a 'dredge' location right?

The southern edge of the fragment field was about 50 yards north of the northern edge of one dredging spoil site. The Ingram find was about 50 yards further north. See photo attached. This photo was taken prior to any spreading of the dredging spoils.

If the imagery is accurate, doesn't that eliminate the dredge as an option?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2237 on: August 06, 2016, 03:11:14 AM »
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Wet $ doesn't float...I've always thought this was the key fact regarding the $ find and why the $ couldn't travel long distances in water.  In theory, I can see how the $ gets on the beach if it was dredged (and a dredge would explain the chards all over the place), but the $ wasn't found at a 'dredge' location right?

The southern edge of the fragment field was about 50 yards north of the northern edge of one dredging spoil site. The Ingram find was about 50 yards further north. See photo attached. This photo was taken prior to any spreading of the dredging spoils.

If the imagery is accurate, doesn't that eliminate the dredge as an option?

how?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2238 on: August 06, 2016, 04:41:44 AM »
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Wet $ doesn't float...I've always thought this was the key fact regarding the $ find and why the $ couldn't travel long distances in water.  In theory, I can see how the $ gets on the beach if it was dredged (and a dredge would explain the chards all over the place), but the $ wasn't found at a 'dredge' location right?

The southern edge of the fragment field was about 50 yards north of the northern edge of one dredging spoil site. The Ingram find was about 50 yards further north. See photo attached. This photo was taken prior to any spreading of the dredging spoils.

If the imagery is accurate, doesn't that eliminate the dredge as an option?

how?

Sorry, 'imagery' was a poor choice of words - if the $ stacks are 100 yards from the furthest edge of dredging spoils, and the $ shards are 50 yards from it, does that eliminate dredging as a possible source of where the $ came from?  Somewhat related, doesn't the Citizensleuths.com analysis of the Tina Bar $ find +/- back this, and don't they reject the dredging theory?  Speaking of the $ shards, I'm aware of the (recently?) discovered video purporting to show them - I'm not aware of any of the parties involved at the time (Ingrams', FBI, etc.) or subsequent analysis done mentioning them...why is that?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2239 on: August 06, 2016, 09:06:53 AM »
Interesting stats with the poll..4 people now believe the money was planted.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2240 on: August 06, 2016, 10:01:29 AM »
Shutter  You say: "Interesting stats with the poll..4 people now believe the money was planted."

Yes, and I voted planted because of the way Dwayne Ingram (Brian's father) looked in the 4hr History Channel TV program. He looked to me like he was making up the story of the find and knowing where to have his son clear the place for the fire. With all the beach to point to he directed his son to clear a place right where the three bundles were. That is just phony and why was he having his son find the money? So that it was not he that found the money and he wanted it found to get rewarded for it and launder it.
   I think the three bundles were what the Flight Crew aboard the 727 refused to accept from DB Cooper in thanks for their time in the DB caper. He then stuffed the three bundles into his shirt and used it later (when on the ground) to thank  the  father (Dwayne) for giving him a lift (escape) to Portland following the skyjacking. The finding the money on the beach was Dwayne's way to getting some paid money for the three bundles. Just watch Dwayne telling his story in the History Channel program. I can't believe him and that is why a "plant on Tina's beach" and was what made me vote for plant.

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2241 on: August 06, 2016, 10:24:00 AM »
If Cooper intended on planting money, what difference would it make if it was in his shirt, why would he offer money right out of the bag, and then put it in another location while the bag was right there, and open?

Did Cooper plant the money in different levels?
How can you explain pieces deeper than the bundles?

I'll have to watch the segment again, but I believe Harold said something like it was rolled up. that's consistent with being pushed. I'm not sold on any theory, but a plant is very low in my categories.

"all rolled up so gingerly"
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2242 on: August 06, 2016, 10:25:06 AM »
I never believed the money was a plant. The shards should eliminate it period.

I'd love to hear someone explain how both could be true.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2243 on: August 06, 2016, 11:09:28 AM »
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Wet $ doesn't float...I've always thought this was the key fact regarding the $ find and why the $ couldn't travel long distances in water.  In theory, I can see how the $ gets on the beach if it was dredged (and a dredge would explain the chards all over the place), but the $ wasn't found at a 'dredge' location right?

The southern edge of the fragment field was about 50 yards north of the northern edge of one dredging spoil site. The Ingram find was about 50 yards further north. See photo attached. This photo was taken prior to any spreading of the dredging spoils.

If the imagery is accurate, doesn't that eliminate the dredge as an option?

how?

Sorry, 'imagery' was a poor choice of words - if the $ stacks are 100 yards from the furthest edge of dredging spoils, and the $ shards are 50 yards from it, does that eliminate dredging as a possible source of where the $ came from?  Somewhat related, doesn't the Citizensleuths.com analysis of the Tina Bar $ find +/- back this, and don't they reject the dredging theory?  Speaking of the $ shards, I'm aware of the (recently?) discovered video purporting to show them - I'm not aware of any of the parties involved at the time (Ingrams', FBI, etc.) or subsequent analysis done mentioning them...why is that?

Maybe % g $ > and for ) @ is.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2244 on: August 06, 2016, 11:24:16 AM »
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I think the three bundles were what the Flight Crew aboard the 727 refused to accept from DB Cooper in thanks for their time in the DB caper. He then stuffed the three bundles into his shirt and used it later (when on the ground) to thank  the  father (Dwayne) for giving him a lift (escape) to Portland following the skyjacking. The finding the money on the beach was Dwayne's way to getting some paid money for the three bundles. Just watch Dwayne telling his story in the History Channel program. I can't believe him and that is why a "plant on Tina's beach" and was what made me vote for plant.

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Interesting theory.  Why wait 9 years to plant the money though?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2245 on: August 06, 2016, 11:33:20 AM »
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Interesting stats with the poll..4 people now believe the money was planted.

Interesting list of choices in your poll as to how the ransom deliverables came to rest at Tina Bar.  Has ice as a mechanism for transport, damage, and deposition ever been considered?
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« Reply #2246 on: August 06, 2016, 11:36:18 AM »
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Interesting stats with the poll..4 people now believe the money was planted.
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Interesting stats with the poll..4 people now believe the money was planted.

Interesting list of choices in your poll as to how the ransom deliverables came to rest at Tina Bar.  Has ice as a mechanism for transport, damage, and deposition ever been considered?


How does it get off the bottom of the river?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2247 on: August 06, 2016, 01:20:49 PM »
I agree with salishaws theory and believe then money was planted. I do not believe the father one bit and that Is why I am calling for a polygraph on them and I am almost certain the father wont pass...
 

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« Reply #2248 on: August 06, 2016, 01:25:39 PM »
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I think the three bundles were what the Flight Crew aboard the 727 refused to accept from DB Cooper in thanks for their time in the DB caper. He then stuffed the three bundles into his shirt and used it later (when on the ground) to thank  the  father (Dwayne) for giving him a lift (escape) to Portland following the skyjacking. The finding the money on the beach was Dwayne's way to getting some paid money for the three bundles. Just watch Dwayne telling his story in the History Channel program. I can't believe him and that is why a "plant on Tina's beach" and was what made me vote for plant.

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Interesting theory.  Why wait 9 years to plant the money though?


It could of been buried there earlier and then dug up and planted for dwayne that would possibly explain the shards...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2249 on: August 06, 2016, 03:08:52 PM »
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Interesting stats with the poll..4 people now believe the money was planted.

Interesting list of choices in your poll as to how the ransom deliverables came to rest at Tina Bar.  Has ice as a mechanism for transport, damage, and deposition ever been considered?

yes - ice was suggested to Palmer and Bennet by an agent but rejected due to no weather data to support it. Its rather clear Himmelsbach wanted the Washougal Theory because it fit his demand that Cooper had died and was gone. Everyone was biased toward a recent arrival because that's what Palmer was suggesting. But Palmer had no water data in hand! Palmer first said 'arrived in the last several months' but there was no water data to base that on. Then a hydrologist got involved and he suggested maybe the mini-flood of 1977 which had affected the Washougal, so Palmer changed his story saying 'well maybe in the last two years...'. But it turns out there was even higher water at Tena Bar before 1977, particularly between 1971 and 1974. Here is the actual data.

Keep in mind, the Ingram money was found at the 10 ft elevation 40 feet up from the waterline. A few fragments were found at 2-2.5ft deep at a higher elevation near and south (upstream) of the Ingram find near the surface.   

Every plant theory to date is a knee-jerk reaction which conflicts with actual facts! I wish people would spend their time reading this thread rather than shooting from the hip.

Water Levels Highest to lowest –
23.5 ft   Jan 1974
22+ ft   Jul 1974
18-19 ft   Jan 1972   
18+ ft   Dec77-Jan 1978 - flood cited in Palmer report

16+ ft   Jan 1971
16+ ft   Jan 1976
16+ ft    May 1976 - has been above 10’ since Jan
14-15 ft   Jan 1973
15 ft   May 1975
12+ ft   Jan 1980
10ft+   May 1978
10ft+   May 1979
10 ft   Jan 75 – numerous 10ft water throughout year
nothing above  10 ft   1973
record drought   1977
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