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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Offline Shutter

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2100 on: July 02, 2016, 11:58:02 AM »
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A disappointment, for sure, but I suspect that sprinkling a bit o' cash around might free things up a bit. Cooper World Calling Hollywood. Any producers out there wanna buy up film rights to a DB Cooper hotsy-totsy film clip???

Bruce,

Don't be greedy. :(  If this project helps to advance the resolution of the Cooper hijacking, that alone will make our efforts worthwhile.

So don't mention $$$$$ again here.  Anyway, you should already be cleaning up with your book on Cooper.


I think Bruce was implying that it's possible Carl pulled the videos thinking they might be worth something to him...if he pulled them for that reason, not many people will know it was there in the first place, so I'm confused as to why he pulled them. he was happy it brought attention to the case in his email...???
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2101 on: July 02, 2016, 04:13:25 PM »
I was thinking that Carl was forced to pull them by the TV station, who has just realized that they might be worth some money. My attitude it: give 'em some money so everyone can see  the videos.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2102 on: July 02, 2016, 04:30:26 PM »
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I was thinking that Carl was forced to pull them by the TV station, who has just realized that they might be worth some money. My attitude it: give 'em some money so everyone can see  the videos.


I don't think our little forum forced KATU to step in on this.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2103 on: July 02, 2016, 04:32:59 PM »
what happen to your posts Georger? I was getting ready to tell you to send the the photo you can't post. what size is it?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2104 on: July 03, 2016, 04:48:44 PM »
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what happen to your posts Georger? I was getting ready to tell you to send the the photo you can't post. what size is it?

The 200k limit, editing wouldnt work ... took it all down to wait for a calmer better time, like now perhaps.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2105 on: July 04, 2016, 04:14:56 PM »
Been fighting food poisoning we picked up at Wendys - hasnt been fun but three days into this I think we are on the downside, I hope! In any event will try a post now that I can more or less function again -

While Vancouver water level data is missing for 1970-72 (actually it isnt its just in a weird place), there is supporting water flow data which covers the period 70-72. For example Willamette peak flow data at Salem. Turns out the two sets of data compare favorably, for several reasons, and are an indicator of water levels downstream of Portland-Vancouver at Tina Bar. See graph attached.

Recall that geologist Palmer said that 'high water during the three months prior' to the Ingram find was responsible for conveying the Ingram money to Tina Bar. Turns out there were no high water events during the 3 months prior to discovery! Palmer had to back off and revise his estimate - he then said 'well maybe last several years'. But the USCE hydrologist Bradley was more specific. Bradley cited a brief high water period in 1977 that had parts of the Washougal 10 feet out of their banks. The graph attached shows that 1977 was a strange year - a drought set in that year lasting until 1980 - general levels were low except for a flash flood in December of '77 after which levels dropped abruptly again and stayed exceptionally low (during the drought) lasting through 1977-80 with levels in 1980 being exceptionally low! Thus the Palmer water level thesis is total hogwash!

The actual highest levels at Tina bar were in the years 1974 and 1972! (see chart attached). The two flood events in 1974 occurred just prior to dredging activity starting at Tina Bar. And, the middle half to end of 1974 was exceptionally dry with no high water levels at Tina Bar.

Its an interesting set of data.   



 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2106 on: July 05, 2016, 11:55:47 PM »
Who posted this below and what was your source for it?  This could be important, to me at least.

It is titled: "Tina Bar topo Radar-Reflectors-Tena-Bar date unknown "

R99? Shutter?  anyone?

TIA
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2107 on: July 06, 2016, 12:38:37 AM »
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Who posted this below and what was your source for it?  This could be important, to me at least.

It is titled: "Tina Bar topo Radar-Reflectors-Tena-Bar date unknown "

R99? Shutter?  anyone?

TIA

It wasn't me, but I think that the radar reflector just below the words "Reeder Point" is showing in the background of a picture where a number of FBI agents are digging under a tree at Tina Bar.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2108 on: July 06, 2016, 02:42:33 AM »
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Who posted this below and what was your source for it?  This could be important, to me at least.

It is titled: "Tina Bar topo Radar-Reflectors-Tena-Bar date unknown "

R99? Shutter?  anyone?

TIA

It wasn't me, but I think that the radar reflector just below the words "Reeder Point" is showing in the background of a picture where a number of FBI agents are digging under a tree at Tina Bar.

this photo?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2109 on: July 06, 2016, 07:22:10 AM »
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Who posted this below and what was your source for it?  This could be important, to me at least.

It is titled: "Tina Bar topo Radar-Reflectors-Tena-Bar date unknown "

R99? Shutter?  anyone?

TIA


It's not ringing a bell with me? I've posted a lot of topo maps though, but if that's the title of the photo, I'm not sure of the source? unless I posted it but didn't realize the radar points, which I think I would of caught?  :-\
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2110 on: July 06, 2016, 01:26:02 PM »
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Who posted this below and what was your source for it?  This could be important, to me at least.

It is titled: "Tina Bar topo Radar-Reflectors-Tena-Bar date unknown "

R99? Shutter?  anyone?

TIA

It wasn't me, but I think that the radar reflector just below the words "Reeder Point" is showing in the background of a picture where a number of FBI agents are digging under a tree at Tina Bar.

this photo?

If it isn't it, then it is very close to it.  There may be another picture very similar to this one but that was taken a few feet to the right of this picture.  It would show the Oregon shore slightly further upstream.  As I remember, there was a structure running from the shore out to the radar reflector and that is what I specifically remember.

And I could specifically locate that structure on an older printed topological map, as opposed to a "seamless" computer generated map.  Meyer Louie now has that map. 
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2111 on: July 06, 2016, 04:49:31 PM »
This?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2112 on: July 16, 2016, 03:50:03 PM »
The recent poll indicated Dredging as the most likely theory ?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2113 on: July 16, 2016, 04:05:28 PM »
I think the recent video that was removed for unknown reasons changed a lot of thoughts about the money.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2114 on: July 16, 2016, 07:27:39 PM »
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I think the recent video that was removed for unknown reasons changed a lot of thoughts about the money.

agree bigtime! TK had a point going and he takes a narrow view until new evidence appears - but the KATU video and its implications are pretty obvious. The video confirms everything Dorwin ever said to me, and I think to Bruce also. And more. We still need a reliable understanding of the strata there, no matter who it comes from. I wish TK would simply draw us a simple chart of his belief of the strata, so there is no doubt what Tom thinks. This is no trick - I just want to know exactly what TK thinks that a Kindergartner could follow (that being me!). I just want to understand what he thinks without any errors of miss-interpretation. Hopefully he will give us a chart soon ? Pretty please! ??   :)