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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Offline Chaucer

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Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Reply #6615 on: September 18, 2021, 06:20:31 PM »
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“oscillations" and "pressure bumps" are two separate things and easily identifiable as such
Yes, Bob. That is what I said.
And what I said is that no one is going to confuse a pressure bump with an oscillation.
If you read the 302s, the FBI repeatedly conflate the two as well as multiple “expert” Cooper researchers.

Anyone who conflated the two was not an "expert".  And the FBI was only quoting the "experts".

Further, in my always humble opinion, the FBI was ill-served by some of the "experts" in the early days of the Cooper investigation.  Or to put it another way, there are "experts" [just ask them] and then there are people who actually know what they are talking about.  Unfortunately, the FBI relied on the former group and here we are today.
We agree.
 

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« Reply #6616 on: September 18, 2021, 08:26:33 PM »
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“oscillations" and "pressure bumps" are two separate things and easily identifiable as such
Yes, Bob. That is what I said.
And what I said is that no one is going to confuse a pressure bump with an oscillation.
If you read the 302s, the FBI repeatedly conflate the two as well as multiple “expert” Cooper researchers.

Anyone who conflated the two was not an "expert".  And the FBI was only quoting the "experts".

Further, in my always humble opinion, the FBI was ill-served by some of the "experts" in the early days of the Cooper investigation.  Or to put it another way, there are "experts" [just ask them] and then there are people who actually know what they are talking about.  Unfortunately, the FBI relied on the former group and here we are today.
We agree.

I don't think so.  For your information, I have never claimed to be an "expert".  How about you?  Do you know which end of an airplane takes off first?  Nice try though.
 

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« Reply #6617 on: September 18, 2021, 11:38:24 PM »
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“oscillations" and "pressure bumps" are two separate things and easily identifiable as such
Yes, Bob. That is what I said.
And what I said is that no one is going to confuse a pressure bump with an oscillation.
If you read the 302s, the FBI repeatedly conflate the two as well as multiple “expert” Cooper researchers.

Anyone who conflated the two was not an "expert".  And the FBI was only quoting the "experts".

Further, in my always humble opinion, the FBI was ill-served by some of the "experts" in the early days of the Cooper investigation.  Or to put it another way, there are "experts" [just ask them] and then there are people who actually know what they are talking about.  Unfortunately, the FBI relied on the former group and here we are today.
We agree.

I don't think so.  For your information, I have never claimed to be an "expert".  How about you?  Do you know which end of an airplane takes off first?  Nice try though.
I’m not sure why you trying to pick a fight.

My point was that “oscillations” and “pressure bumps” are different things but that the FBI and several Cooper “experts” confused and conflate the two. I don’t know if you are in that group or not. I’m assuming you don’t?

Also, I hardly consider myself an “expert”. I don’t have a book or a TV show or a podcast. I’m just a regular dude.

Did you by think my comment was directed at you? It wasn’t.
 

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« Reply #6618 on: September 19, 2021, 12:36:15 AM »
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...which end of an airplane takes off first?


Tricycle gear or taildragger?   hehehe
 

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« Reply #6619 on: September 19, 2021, 02:28:53 AM »
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...which end of an airplane takes off first?


Tricycle gear or taildragger?   hehehe

How about a VTOL? :)
 

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« Reply #6620 on: September 19, 2021, 04:28:06 AM »
Or a helicopter?
Further, can a plane take off "backwards?" Like blasting their reverse thrusters?
 

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« Reply #6621 on: September 19, 2021, 01:35:24 PM »
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Or a helicopter?
Further, can a plane take off "backwards?" Like blasting their reverse thrusters?

Bruce, you need to visit the FAA's web page and check out the definitions for "airplanes", "aircraft", "helicopters", etc.  A "helicopter" is not an "airplane".  But do check the FAA definitions.

On the subject of "helicopters", during forward (or "translational") flight a part of the retreating rotor blade can be in "reverse flow" depending on the rotor rotational speed and the translational speed of the helicopter.  This means that the airflow is coming from the backside of the rotor blade.  And it may come as a surprise to learn that the aerodynamics of the rotor airfoil are still quite good even in reverse flow.

Can an airplane takeoff backwards under some conditions?  In the cosmic scheme of things, that just might be possible but don't try it at home.
 

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« Reply #6622 on: September 19, 2021, 07:25:47 PM »
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can a plane take off "backwards?"

They can (land and) take off upside down.




I've flown with this guy a few times. Not in this plane.
 
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« Reply #6623 on: September 19, 2021, 11:33:13 PM »
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Or a helicopter?
Further, can a plane take off "backwards?" Like blasting their reverse thrusters?

What has any of this got to do with TENA BAR - MONEY FIND. This is the Tena Bar thread.  vote the smileycode and safe
 

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« Reply #6624 on: September 19, 2021, 11:37:03 PM »
Here's a Tena Bar question

Was Tena Bar ever really called Tenas Bar ??
 

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« Reply #6625 on: September 19, 2021, 11:42:10 PM »
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Here's a Tena Bar question

Was Tena Bar ever really called Tenas Bar ??

Ask the original owner's family  ;)  Tel Tena, changed to Del Tena ... Swiss ... grew potatoes and cabbage which the Faxios still grow today. Fazio family a large older family in the area, some of them successful farmers. But Ole Tel liked skiing ... turned over the property to a renter who went bankrupt ... sold the land to the Fazio family late forties or fifties?    and so it goes...

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Article from 1980 calling it TENA...If the Telegraph article is correct, maybe the guys name was Del Tena??

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Also finding some Tenas on 1930 census in Vancouver, Clark County, WA. One with given name of head of household that looks like "Tell".
33 yo - birthplace Switzerland, wife, 25 named Frances, 2 daughters, 7 and 8: Maybelle, and Yvonne.

Still looking, but "Tena" is looking like the correct spelling and origin.

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It's 1928, the Chehalis Bee-Nuggett reports this.... It's OCR text, so not sure about the numbers involved....

"Buys 580 Acre Dairy Ranch.
Sale of a 58O-acre dairy ranch on the Columbia near Vancouver is reported at a price of ?50,000. The purchaser is a man named Tell Tena and he has placed his herd of 85 dairy cattle on the place and will probably add others."
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« Reply #6626 on: September 21, 2021, 12:27:31 AM »
I read something that a plane crashed on Tell Tena's land at at some point.

Here's a later court case between Frances and Tell (divorce issues)...apparently issues with payment, and then divorce

295 P.2d 1115 (Wash. 1956)
48 Wn.2d 628
Frances WITZEL, Appellant,
v.
Tell TENA, Respondent.
No. 33513.
Supreme Court of Washington.
April 12, 1956
Department 2.

Rehearing Denied May 16, 1956. [48 Wn.2d 629]

Binns, Cunningham & Fletcher, Tacoma, for appellant.

Everal Carson, Vancouver, for respondent.

OTT, Justice.

The plaintiff, Frances Witzel, and the defendant, Tell Tena, were married May 8, 1920. October 31, 1928, they entered into a written contract to purchase land, stock, and equipment in Clark county. The purchase price was $40,000 and was to be paid at the rate of $500 a month, which included interest at six per cent per annum on the deferred balance. By 1932, the contract balance had been reduced to approximately $30,000. April 26, 1932, the seller deeded the property to the purchasers and took mortgages on the land, stock, and equipment as security. From 1932 until 1937, the Tenas made no payment on the principal, and paid only a part of the interest on the mortgage debt. In 1935, the mortgagee voluntarily waived all interest due and unpaid, and reduced the balance of the principal to $22,500.

In 1937, Mrs. Tena Left the farm and commenced divorce proceedings against Tell Tena in Clark county. In her complaint, she claimed no interest in the community property, and prayed that it be awarded to Tell Tena. This divorce proceeding was abandoned. [48 Wn.2d 630]

July 29, 1939, she obtained a divorce from Tell Tena in Nevada. Prior to obtaining the Nevada divorce, she wrote to Mr. Tena, asking him to enter an appearance in the Nevada court and sign a waiver. She included a copy of a letter her attorney had written to her. Her letter and the attorney's letter indicated that she claimed none of the property owned by the parties, and was interested only in the divorce.

After receipt of the letters, Mr. Tena signed the waiver and the appearance, as requested. In her complaint filed in the Nevada court, Mrs. Tena alleged that there was no community property, and, in granting the divorce, the court found that all of the allegations in the complaint were true. July 30, 1939, Mrs. Tena married Mr. Witzel and moved to California, where she has since resided.

When the parties were divorced in 1939, the real and personal property of the community was encumbered in the sum of approximately $25,000 and, at that time, had a value of approximately $21,000. In the ensuing sixteen years, Tell Tena worked to improve the farm and, at the time of the trial, the land was valued at approximately $53,000 and was clear of the debt.

Mrs. Witzel commenced this action May 5, 1953, alleging that she When the parties were divorced in 1939, the real and personal property of the community was encumbered in the sum of approximately twenty-five thousand dollars and, at that time, had a value of approximately twenty-one thousand dollars. In the ensuing sixteen years, Tell Tena worked to improve the farm, and, at the time of the trial, the land was valued at approximately fifty-three thousand dollars and was clear of the debt.

Mrs. Witzel commenced this action May 5, 1953, alleging that she owned a one-half interest in the community real property acquired in 1928; that the community realty had not been disposed of by the divorce decree; that, at all times since the divorce, the parties have been tenants in common; that Tell Tena should be required to render an accounting, and that the land should be partitioned in kind, or sold and the proceeds of the sale divided between the parties.

In his answer, the defendant denied the allegations in the complaint and affirmatively pleaded, among other defenses, that the plaintiff was estopped to claim any interest in the real property in question, and prayed that the title to the property be quieted in him.

The cause was tried to the court. Findings of fact, conclusions of law, and judgment awarding the plaintiff one dollar and quieting title in the defendant were entered. The plaintiff has appealed.

Case actually had a lot of interesting issues
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final judgements. She didn't even get to keep her one dollar!

[10] We have held that, if the judgment of the trial court can be sustained upon any theory presented to it, the judgment will not be reversed. Palin v. General Constr. Co., 47 Wn. (2d) 246, 287 P. (2d) 325 (1955); Kirkpatrick v. Department of Labor & Industries, ante p. 51, 290 P. (2d)979 (1955).

The evidence established equitable estoppel, and the appellant is precluded from asserting any title to the property in question. The court properly quieted title in the respondent.

Under the doctrine of equitable estoppel, that portion of the judgment which quiets title in the respondent is affirmed. Therefore, the trial court's award of one dollar to the appellant is not allowable.

Appellant's principal assignments of error have been disposed of in the foregoing opinion, and we find no merit in the remaining assignments.

The cause is remanded with instructions to enter judgment in accordance with the views expressed herein. The respondent will recover costs on appeal.

HAMLEY, C. J., MALLERY, WEAVER, and ROSELLINI, JJ., concur.

May 16, 1956. Petition for rehearing denied.
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« Reply #6627 on: September 21, 2021, 12:59:52 AM »
This is the book for history of the area
page 393
Sept. 6, 1948---Two Portland men were killed when their light plane plunged to the
ground onto the Tell Tena farm nine miles west of Vancouver.

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available on amazon, but you can read for free there
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VANCOUVER AREA
CHRONOLOGY
1784 - 1958
Carl Landerholm

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The Vancouver Area Chronology is an index of local and regional newspaper articles from the years 1784 to 1958. The chronology was compiled by Carl Landerholm in the 1950s and then updated to electronic format in 2002.
 

EDIT: additional detail on the plane crash from the Walla Walla Union Bulletin newspaper Sept 6, 1948 page 5 of 14

"A student pilot and his companion were killed near Vancouver Wash. Saturday when their plane crashed. The victims were Byron F. Russel, 20 of Portland, the pilot and George R. Savich 32. of Vancouver"

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