great summary georger.

I will point out:
diatoms have been found on dollar bills.
all sorts of things have been found on the tie.

But: there's been no science looking for rubber band remains on bills?
I guess the theory is that only a top or bottom bill would be analyzable.
And it's unclear what top/bottom bills supposedly had the rubber bands

So the claim is: the rubber bands existed, but there is no science that can be done to prove it?

Yet we believe it.

We believe it because of the Ingrams and Larry Carr. The FBI did one analysis on the bills and looked at sand types accompanying the bills - typical rounded Columbia river sand was the result. But nothing about rubber bands! Not yet at least... but I do get your point. 

I am always holding out for any band fragments for all kinds of reasons.

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great summary georger.

I will point out:
diatoms have been found on dollar bills.
all sorts of things have been found on the tie.

But: there's been no science looking for rubber band remains on bills?
I guess the theory is that only a top or bottom bill would be analyzable.
And it's unclear what top/bottom bills supposedly had the rubber bands

So the claim is: the rubber bands existed, but there is no science that can be done to prove it?

Yet we believe it.

We believe it because of the Ingrams and Larry Carr. The FBI did one analysis on the bills and looked at sand types accompanying the bills - typical rounded Columbia river sand was the result. But nothing about rubber bands! Not yet at least... but I do get your point. 

I am always holding out for any band fragments for all kinds of reasons.

okay. Why do we believe it because of Larry Carr? what evidence did he provide that wasn't in other docs. He may have talked to Ingram.
But anything else he provided in this area seems of questionable value, unless I'm not remembering something.

Just thinking about what science could be done.
The issues around ink fading, as shown in this and other hi quality pics from ha.com of auctioned bills.

Does ink fade if immersed in water? is it bacterial? oxidation? what makes the ink change?
is there a chemical reaction with acidic/basic water or other dissolved chemicals in water?

If I remember right, I had long ago posted pics from ha.com that showed purplish staining? (not from fbi silver nitrate). I forget exactly though. If true, that might also point to longer term water submersion.

I suppose this bill has dark (purple?) staining around edges that looks chemical. So maybe this bill is a good example of that issue also. That would seem to be water/chemical rather than algae? Dunno. not sun?

nice example from ha.com detailed auction photos, of bill with very little fading, in my mind
so there's a wide range of discoloration/ink change/paper color change, I think?

In terms of EU claiming "length of time" ...this bill is interesting, because I wouldn't hazard any guess about the length of time in water, or out of water, based on looking at it.

What is the purpose of all of this?

In fact, there are some bills that are darker than others. This is not a matter of me throwing around fake facts. Also, it is obvious to me that these bills were buried for a significant amount of time in order to rot to this degree. We can play word games and question the definition of "long time" all day long, but it's a waste. If someone wants to believe they rotted to this severity within one week, then have at it.

I've stated what I know and what I've been told. Take it or leave it.

Didn’t the FBI have to break up the bundles in order to record the serial numbers? How would they have recorded the serial numbers if the money went straight from the vault to the plane?

Chaucer it didnt go straight from the vault to the plane. It went through a hasty prep phase at the bank. I will try and find some old posts about this from Ckret etal.

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Why do rubber bands crumble?
QUESTION: What causes rubber bands to dry out and lose their elasticity? ANSWER: Rubber is a polymer; polymers are long chains of molecules connected together, much like long pieces of spaghetti. ... Ultraviolet light affects those chains and breaks them down, causing the rubber to dry, crack and crumble

One has to wonder how long the bills were banded in the vault...

Let me point out that the bills and rubber bands may not have actually been exposed to ultraviolet light until they came out of the container that they were in when they arrived at the location that they were found at Tena Bar.  The "torqued" bundle suggests that it was exposed to water flowing across the bills.  So the bundles may have been exposed to the sun for only a brief period of days before being completely buried by sand.

Further, I have had instances of rubber bands around aviation log books that were stored in my closet for several years.  Those bands never saw the light of day but they eventually stuck to the books and broke in some instances.  But it took several years under these conditions.

Good. The sticky part is during the socalled 'melt transition' phase. Wont get technical about it unless somebody wants but bands finally come apart at the sulfur molecular bonds ... and the pieces crystalize. That is a crude description. Google 'melt transition phase polymers'. Remember the Ingrams said the bands were brittle and turned to dust when touched. Thats very accurate! The piece were brittle because those bands had reached crystallization phase ... you can find the chemistry and life stages of bands at Wiki..     

So you guys are very confident that the  money somehow got there in 1974?  Or is that open to debate also?

There is a rumor that I provided Bruce information about people involved in divying up the money  in 1986...that is...between Brian, the FBI and "other people". And that I used the information Bruce provided to obtain all of the other money, and that explains my recent interest in the serials.

"The F.B.I. then took custody of the money until 1986, when a court divided it among Ingram, the F.B.I., and Northwest Airlines and its insurance company. Of the $5,800 he found, Ingram was allowed to keep almost $3,000.'  [ Globe Indemnity Co. ]

I would like to deny all such accounts. I have had no such communication with Bruce and he can confirm that.

A related court case that was not the subject of conversation with Bruce:
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225 N.W.2d 831 (1975)

NORTHWEST AIRLINES, INC., Respondent, v. GLOBE INDEMNITY COMPANY, Appellant.

No. 44904.

Supreme Court of Minnesota.

January 24, 1975.

*832 Robins, Davis & Lyons, Harding A. Orren, John C. Hart, and M. Arnold Lyons, Minneapolis, for appellant.

Dorsey, Marquart, Windhorst, West & Halladay, William J. Hempel, and Lane Ayres, Minneapolis, for respondent.

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EDIT: New York Times, from UPI, reported the split as just between the insurance company, Brian and FBI. Unclear if Northwest got any, as sometimes reported.

UPI
May 23, 1986
Brian Ingram, who found $5,800 of a ransom paid to the plane hijacker D. B. Cooper, will get to keep $2,760.

Brian, then 8 years old, found the money six years ago. An equal amount will go to the insurer of Northwest Orient Airlines, which was forced to pay $200,000 Nov. 24, 1971. The remaining $280 will be kept for evidence. The hijacker presumably parachuted out with the money; the case is the nation's only unsolved plane hijacking."