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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Reply #6195 on: August 09, 2021, 10:05:34 AM »
I am sure many of you have gone to Tena Bar vis Google Earth?  I just went there.  Its a bit confusing.  It actually shows the "beach" on post office lake, between Lake River and Columbia River.  Columbia River being the farthest to the East.  I am certain in past search's it put me right on Columbia River?  Or I thought so.  If  you go there now there is some type of chair or bench it appears in the water? 
 

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« Reply #6196 on: August 09, 2021, 11:50:05 AM »
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I am sure many of you have gone to Tena Bar vis Google Earth?  I just went there.  Its a bit confusing.  It actually shows the "beach" on post office lake, between Lake River and Columbia River.  Columbia River being the farthest to the East.  I am certain in past search's it put me right on Columbia River?  Or I thought so.  If  you go there now there is some type of chair or bench it appears in the water?

To alleviate some of your confusion, let me point out that the Columbia River is WEST of the Lake River.  And in the Tena Bar area, the NW Lower River Road is built on top of a levee.
 
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« Reply #6197 on: August 09, 2021, 03:00:24 PM »
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I am sure many of you have gone to Tena Bar vis Google Earth?  I just went there.  Its a bit confusing.  It actually shows the "beach" on post office lake, between Lake River and Columbia River.  Columbia River being the farthest to the East.  I am certain in past search's it put me right on Columbia River?  Or I thought so.  If  you go there now there is some type of chair or bench it appears in the water?

To alleviate some of your confusion, let me point out that the Columbia River is WEST of the Lake River.  And in the Tena Bar area, the NW Lower River Road is built on top of a levee.

Since we’re talking about Tina Bar, perhaps some of us would like to get a few answers from anyone who buys into the theory that Cooper buried the money at Tina Bar on Nov 24, 1971. I’ve spent most of my 80 years living in this awesome Pacific N W. What I can state factually is that sand is not soft like you’re at the beach in Florida or some tropical Island.  It’s the rainy season in Oregon and Washington in late November ! The sand is compacted by the rain and quite firm ! How did Cooper manage to dig a hole deep enough to bury a bag with $200,000 in it. We all know this was a bag weighing over 20 lbs. it seems like he would need a shovel of some sort and certainly a flashlight ! Of course I’ve never understood why anyone would hide the equivalent on over a million dollars on a beach frequently used by fishermen on a daily basis. Lots of questions that I’m NOT buying into. JMHO
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Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Reply #6198 on: August 09, 2021, 08:11:09 PM »
Kerm, if you had just landed with $200,000 in a bag, what would you do with it?
 

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« Reply #6199 on: August 09, 2021, 09:12:50 PM »
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Kerm, if you had just landed with $200,000 in a bag, what would you do with it?
I can’t speak for Kermit, but I can tell you what I WOULDN’T do with it:

Walk 12 miles west with it in the rain in just above freezing temperature and then bury it in compacted sand next to the water’s edge where it could be discovered or get wet.

I also wouldn’t leave it there for six months.

We’re supposed to believe that Cooper was some sort of criminal mastermind, but his best solution for the money was burying it in sand next to the water for half a year?
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« Reply #6200 on: August 09, 2021, 11:04:00 PM »
So let me get this straight:

The sand is too compacted and hard for a man with a stick to carve out a hole...

...yet it's not too difficult for paper currency to carve out a hole and bury itself in "hard sand" for eight years.

What am I missing?
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« Reply #6201 on: August 09, 2021, 11:16:32 PM »
The difference is sand that is completely submerged underwater and therefore soft and more permeable versus sand that is dry and compacted.
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« Reply #6202 on: August 09, 2021, 11:31:37 PM »
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Kerm, if you had just landed with $200,000 in a bag, what would you do with it?
I can’t speak for Kermit, but I can tell you what I WOULDN’T do with it:

Walk 12 miles west with it in the rain in just above freezing temperature and then bury it in compacted sand next to the water’s edge where it could be discovered or get wet.

I also wouldn’t leave it there for six months.

We’re supposed to believe that Cooper was some sort of criminal mastermind, but his best solution for the money was burying it in sand next to the water for half a year?

My best guess would be no. If the diatom research TK put together is right, I would be questioning the families of the Feds and Soldiers who were searching the woods for Cooper's body the following Spring.

You're dragged out on a search. It's cold. The days are long. You're looking for a dead guy...but the whole unit is buzzing over the sack full of cash he was carrying. Suddenly you stumble on something - a body perhaps, but the cash definitely. Your buddies see it, too. No way you can keep it without splitting it with them. How do you get it back to base without anyone knowing?

Hide it. Bury it and come back for it. Not all of it, just the few bundles you kept when you split it with everyone in earshot. That beach we saw wasn't far. Tell your CO you gotta take a leak and start digging.

Spring burial. Columbia floods just after.

Possible.
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« Reply #6203 on: August 09, 2021, 11:47:02 PM »
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The difference is sand that is completely submerged underwater and therefore soft and more permeable versus sand that is dry and compacted.

I don't believe that's accurate. After all, walk in water along the beach that is submerged...not exactly like quick sand.

Moreover, Tom's research showed that the process of agitation at the leading edge of the tide is abrasive and would therefore shatter the diatoms. This, of course, was not the case with the diatoms Tom discovered--i.e., shattered.

The bills were simply submerged in the spring river water, then buried.
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« Reply #6204 on: August 10, 2021, 12:10:07 AM »
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The difference is sand that is completely submerged underwater and therefore soft and more permeable versus sand that is dry and compacted.

I don't believe that's accurate. After all, walk in water along the beach that is submerged...not exactly like quick sand.

Moreover, Tom's research showed that the process of agitation at the leading edge of the tide is abrasive and would therefore shatter the diatoms. This, of course, was not the case with the diatoms Tom discovered--i.e., shattered.

The bills were simply submerged in the spring river water, then buried.

Tom's research showed that the process of agitation at the leading edge of the tide is abrasive and would therefore shatter the diatoms.


Tom's photos of astronella show exactly that - parts/pieces of diatoms! Go back and look at Tom's original photos. What Im saying here is your analysis is incomplete and biased ...  ;)

 

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« Reply #6205 on: August 10, 2021, 12:16:40 AM »
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The difference is sand that is completely submerged underwater and therefore soft and more permeable versus sand that is dry and compacted.

I don't believe that's accurate. After all, walk in water along the beach that is submerged...not exactly like quick sand.

Moreover, Tom's research showed that the process of agitation at the leading edge of the tide is abrasive and would therefore shatter the diatoms. This, of course, was not the case with the diatoms Tom discovered--i.e., shattered.

The bills were simply submerged in the spring river water, then buried.

Tom's research showed that the process of agitation at the leading edge of the tide is abrasive and would therefore shatter the diatoms.


Tom's photos of astronella show exactly that - parts/pieces of diatoms! Go back and look at Tom's original photos. What Im saying here is your analysis is incomplete and biased ...  ;)

How very interesting considering I asked Tom this precise question for this precise reason.

Care to talk more shit like usual?
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« Reply #6206 on: August 10, 2021, 12:28:21 AM »
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The difference is sand that is completely submerged underwater and therefore soft and more permeable versus sand that is dry and compacted.

I don't believe that's accurate. After all, walk in water along the beach that is submerged...not exactly like quick sand.

Moreover, Tom's research showed that the process of agitation at the leading edge of the tide is abrasive and would therefore shatter the diatoms. This, of course, was not the case with the diatoms Tom discovered--i.e., shattered.

The bills were simply submerged in the spring river water, then buried.
Eric, do you believe the money was buried in the bag?
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« Reply #6207 on: August 10, 2021, 12:31:18 AM »
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The difference is sand that is completely submerged underwater and therefore soft and more permeable versus sand that is dry and compacted.

I don't believe that's accurate. After all, walk in water along the beach that is submerged...not exactly like quick sand.

Moreover, Tom's research showed that the process of agitation at the leading edge of the tide is abrasive and would therefore shatter the diatoms. This, of course, was not the case with the diatoms Tom discovered--i.e., shattered.

The bills were simply submerged in the spring river water, then buried.

You can't expect "accurate." How did the bag get wet? Want to start with infinite Coopers and infinite possibilities? Then let's stay general. We're looking for a late Fall drop and a Spring dunk for the water. The cash had to stay together for about 4 months, undetected, then get wet and buried. Did the cash get dirty? Were there rotting remains in contact with it? Did it need to be cleaned off?

Those details come later. First you look for a force that will move money in the Spring in a way that introduces it to the Columbia and then buries it. The Washougal washdown partially fits, and human hands also fit.
 

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« Reply #6208 on: August 10, 2021, 12:31:42 AM »
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The difference is sand that is completely submerged underwater and therefore soft and more permeable versus sand that is dry and compacted.

I don't believe that's accurate. After all, walk in water along the beach that is submerged...not exactly like quick sand.

Moreover, Tom's research showed that the process of agitation at the leading edge of the tide is abrasive and would therefore shatter the diatoms. This, of course, was not the case with the diatoms Tom discovered--i.e., shattered.

The bills were simply submerged in the spring river water, then buried.

Tom's research showed that the process of agitation at the leading edge of the tide is abrasive and would therefore shatter the diatoms.


Tom's photos of astronella show exactly that - parts/pieces of diatoms! Go back and look at Tom's original photos. What Im saying here is your analysis is incomplete and biased ...  ;)

How very interesting considering I asked Tom this precise question for this precise reason.

Care to talk more shit like usual?

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« Reply #6209 on: August 10, 2021, 12:33:20 AM »
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The difference is sand that is completely submerged underwater and therefore soft and more permeable versus sand that is dry and compacted.

I don't believe that's accurate. After all, walk in water along the beach that is submerged...not exactly like quick sand.

Moreover, Tom's research showed that the process of agitation at the leading edge of the tide is abrasive and would therefore shatter the diatoms. This, of course, was not the case with the diatoms Tom discovered--i.e., shattered.

The bills were simply submerged in the spring river water, then buried.

You can't expect "accurate." How did the bag get wet? Want to start with infinite Coopers and infinite possibilities? Then let's stay general. We're looking for a late Fall drop and a Spring dunk for the water. The cash had to stay together for about 4 months, undetected, then get wet and buried. Did the cash get dirty? Were there rotting remains in contact with it? Did it need to be cleaned off?

Those details come later. First you look for a force that will move money in the Spring in a way that introduces it to the Columbia and then buries it. The Washougal washdown partially fits, and human hands also fit.

Be sure to forget the fact of dredging. Forgetting that is essential to all other harebrained meanderings of the maldum fornax.