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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5790 on: March 06, 2021, 09:19:43 AM »
Speaking of diatoms, I spoke with Tom yesterday and will be obtaining samples of sand from the money find spot at various depths. Also, I'll be obtaining a sample from the clay layer.

Tom has insisted that diatoms--at least the A. Formosa--cannot migrate down through sand even while underwater. Therefore, if Tom is correct, the money could have only acquired the diatoms via direct expose to the Columbia. I hope he his right because this places significant barriers on the story of how the money arrived and how it departed and readily brings the truth into focus.

Those three packets got separated from the other 97 packets somehow. Moreover, the other 97 are gone...not just down the beach 50 feet. This is all very important because any theory has to reasonably explain how and why the 3 packets responded differently to their environment than the other 97 packets.

The money was not hermetically sealed. It was bound in a canvas bank bag. There have been a lot of theories here about bags of money and packets of money floated down the river via the surface, via the bottom, or some combination of both. To me this strikes me as fantasy. Again, I welcome anyone to chuck a 20 lb bag of cash into the Columbia miles upstream and see what happens. Good luck seeing some tortured series of fantastical events delivering three packets alone to Tena Bar.

I'll be there soon. If someone wants to send me some packets of cash I'm certainly willing to throw them into the Columbia to see what happens. That said, be prepared to never see any of your cash again. In fact, I'll hazard that I could try the same experiment over and over my entire lifetime and never once see the money do anything other than sink, disappear from sight and eventually rot at the bottom of the river--whether it be in a canvas bank bag or three individual packets bound by rubberbands.

I simply do not understand why it is so difficult for people to accept that the money was buried by DB Cooper. It's by far the most plausible theory. It is the easiest theory to envision as well. Frankly it's the only thing that makes sense.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5791 on: March 06, 2021, 10:53:24 AM »
Continuing from my previous post...

I find that often in cases like this we're burdened by what we think we know. We're burdened by our preconceived notions. This can be problematic.

For example:

Normally, if we were picnicking on Tena Bar and found three old rotted packets of twenties buried in the sand some 50 feet from the water's edge, we'd naturally think that the money had been buried long ago by someone. However, given that we think that DB Cooper jumped near Ariel, we stray from that simple explanation to a more tortured explanation of how the money found its way buried on Tena Bar.

Another example:

The money is discovered and clearly rotted and decaying, therefore, it is natural to think that the money has been buried on the beach since the skyjacking eight years earlier. But then we get Palmer stating that the money arrived after the 1974 dredge.

So now we think we know that the money resided somewhere other than Tena Bar for at least three years after the skyjacking. This leads to the Washougal Washdown Theory and the like which obviously creates many more problems.

Then years later we determine that, in fact, Palmer was wrong and the money was not found buried in a layer of sand above the 1974 dredge layer but in a layer of sand above the 1970 dredge layer.

All of the sudden things come into focus and we realize that the reason there were so many problems created by the Washougal Washdown Theory was because what we thought was true was actually not true.

With all of this in mind, why is it that Cooper could not have buried the money at Tena Bar himself? Why are tortured theories of money flowing down the river months after the skyjacking and self-burying entertained at all? What preconceived notions do people have about DBC to lead to such theories?

Perhaps what you think you know, is wrong.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5792 on: March 06, 2021, 01:44:28 PM »
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Speaking of diatoms, I spoke with Tom yesterday and will be obtaining samples of sand from the money find spot at various depths. Also, I'll be obtaining a sample from the clay layer.

Tom has insisted that diatoms--at least the A. Formosa--cannot migrate down through sand even while underwater. Therefore, if Tom is correct, the money could have only acquired the diatoms via direct expose to the Columbia. I hope he his right because this places significant barriers on the story of how the money arrived and how it departed and readily brings the truth into focus.

Those three packets got separated from the other 97 packets somehow. Moreover, the other 97 are gone...not just down the beach 50 feet. This is all very important because any theory has to reasonably explain how and why the 3 packets responded differently to their environment than the other 97 packets.

The money was not hermetically sealed. It was bound in a canvas bank bag. There have been a lot of theories here about bags of money and packets of money floated down the river via the surface, via the bottom, or some combination of both. To me this strikes me as fantasy. Again, I welcome anyone to chuck a 20 lb bag of cash into the Columbia miles upstream and see what happens. Good luck seeing some tortured series of fantastical events delivering three packets alone to Tena Bar.

I'll be there soon. If someone wants to send me some packets of cash I'm certainly willing to throw them into the Columbia to see what happens. That said, be prepared to never see any of your cash again. In fact, I'll hazard that I could try the same experiment over and over my entire lifetime and never once see the money do anything other than sink, disappear from sight and eventually rot at the bottom of the river--whether it be in a canvas bank bag or three individual packets bound by rubberbands.

I simply do not understand why it is so difficult for people to accept that the money was buried by DB Cooper. It's by far the most plausible theory. It is the easiest theory to envision as well. Frankly it's the only thing that makes sense.
I don’t see how suggesting the money was transported by the Columbia River via other debris is anymore “fantastical”, “tortured”, or  “implausible” than believing the FBI, NWO, and the USAF totally got the flight path wrong, that Cooper landed in the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge, hiked out in the middle of the night with a 20lbs bag of money despite being middle aged, and then decided to bury that money on the edge of a major river prone to flooding, and then didn’t come back to retrieve it until several months or several years later.

I’ll say it one more time:

I don’t think the money floated on its own independently. The money would sink.

I don’t think the money rolled along the bottom. I think that would make it difficult for it to appear on shore.

I do think the money could have attached itself to river debris such as a log or large branch or even Cooper’s corpse and was washed downstream in the flood water.

Regarding your statement about how the three packets got separated from the rest:  who knows? Nature is chaotic, unpredictable, and entropic. If you put loose change in your pocket and jump on a trampoline, some change will fall out and some won’t. Can you explain why?

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5793 on: March 06, 2021, 01:56:54 PM »
The one very big thing you're overlooking is that the flight path simply requires human error.

On the other hand, the scenario you're advocating requires physics that I consider impossible...plus human error.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5794 on: March 06, 2021, 02:01:12 PM »
Start with the absolute ironclad basics:

1) The jet departed Seattle.

2) Cooper jumped.

3) The money was found on Tena Bar.

4) The jet landed in Reno.

Start your investigation knowing only that and start working outward.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5795 on: March 06, 2021, 02:06:12 PM »
Human error can be found in lots of things....

The Path
The money find
The placard
The Cinebar find
Suspects
The description
The sketch
 Etc.

Human error can be found in believing one thing to another. it's a multiple choice of things human error can link to? human error is also considered a mistake or can occur with misinformation?

Human error is an unintentional action or decision. ■ Violations are intentional failures – deliberately doing the wrong thing. 1 Human error. Skill-based errors.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5796 on: March 06, 2021, 02:12:57 PM »
Human error DID occur. It's all through the files. It's in the Palmer Report.

That said, physics and science do not lie. They are never wrong.

The physics involved with the three packets staying together yet separating from the other 97 packets and everything else that completely went missing, then somehow floating downstream on a branch or something--but only in June--and then burying itself for eight years is impossible. Does anyone really believe this can be replicated?

It's simple. The money was buried by a human being, left behind, and discovered eight years later.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5797 on: March 06, 2021, 02:16:39 PM »
Human error could be in the post you just made. nothing has been proven beyond a shadow of doubt. that leaves room for error, human error? logic is not immune to human error..
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5798 on: March 06, 2021, 02:19:24 PM »
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Human error could be in the post you just made. nothing has been proven beyond a shadow of doubt. that leaves room for error, human error? logic is not immune to human error..

Shutter, human error could also be in the above post. 
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5799 on: March 06, 2021, 02:20:10 PM »
Same for yours?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5800 on: March 06, 2021, 02:21:23 PM »
I very much doubt there is any human error in my post regarding the ironclad things we know.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5801 on: March 06, 2021, 02:22:41 PM »
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5802 on: March 06, 2021, 02:25:15 PM »
I'm not sure what you mean and how that is relevant.

The money was buried where it was buried. It got there somehow. Certainly the easiest explanation is that the guy who last had the money buried it there...while he was alive.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5803 on: March 06, 2021, 02:25:31 PM »
The money being buried is now fact?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5804 on: March 06, 2021, 02:26:46 PM »
Yes. Brian Ingram discovered the money buried under a few inches of sand. That is buried.
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