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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5730 on: November 12, 2020, 06:17:34 PM »
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The altimeter would be used for deploying the chute. nothing related to the ground other than where it is from his point.

A skydiver is interested in his altitude above the drop zone and probably has an altimeter that can be adjusted to zero the drop zone elevation.  Cooper would not have any idea of the elevation of the terrain when he jumped due to the clouds below him and the darkness.

To elaborate on this, yes a skydiver's altimeter is set to AGL (above ground level) of the landing area. You couldn't accurately do this from the plane, it would be preset before the jump. Cooper, not knowing exactly where he will be over hilly/mountainous terrain, would have no idea what to set it to. But he wouldn't need an altimeter to survive the jump. If he's experienced he could see enough to not go in. If he's not he probably pulls fairly quickly after exit.


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I watch these videos, and it underscores how dangerous and difficult skydiving is. The idea that anyone can just jump out of an airplane at 10,000 feet and survive like it's no big deal is bananas.

Cooper's jump wasn't easy. At all. For a novice, it would likely be deadly.


In the immortal words of Larry Yohn, one of my earliest instructors, "It's really not that fucking hard."

I've been doing it for over 40 years, thousands and thousands and thousands of jumps, and I've only been killed twice.
 
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5731 on: November 12, 2020, 06:31:13 PM »
It's hard to say what Cooper did with the jump. McNally had no training and did a 30 second count before pulling. he also went into a bad spin and lost the money.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5732 on: November 14, 2020, 04:58:02 AM »
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See you there, Kermit! Glad to hear you're staying close to home and keeping safe. Me, too. Covid and forest fire smoke have been one hellava one-two punch. I'm feeling like a monk living in a mountaintop monastery who only comes down to town for gorceries.

God willing, I’ll see you there !  I’ve invited Robert99 to join me at Dan and Louis Oyster bar in Portland and I’m buying ! Join us ! Dan and Louis Oyster Bar has been there for far longer than Robert and I have been alive and it’s my favorite place to shoot the breeze and solve mysteries ! Yes if D B Cooper is reading this..... join us !

Dan and Louis Oyster Bar, it is!
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5733 on: November 19, 2020, 01:01:57 PM »
I hate to rain on  anyone's parade.  I watched the Tena Bar video on You Tube, its just too far fetched for me to believe Cooper would ever have returned there to plant $5k in in the sand?  Why?  If he wanted to prove he made it, he could have put some of the money in circulation immediately.  He did not want to get caught obviously.  I still believe he made it. I wonder if he knew the money was likely recorded early on?  Like when he first laid eyes on it?  Would it have been consecutive numbers or would they have scrambled them?  And it is strange the money was in the bands and did not come apart. 
The letters are the other mystery within a mystery.  The code and Rackstraw?  Well they sure do not believe he was DB, so I don't either
 
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5734 on: November 21, 2020, 07:59:22 PM »
As big as DB Cooper is, at best he has $194K left.  Chump change by todays standards and for a guy of his stature!
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5735 on: November 24, 2020, 11:26:15 AM »
Happy Anniversary DB
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5736 on: November 25, 2020, 12:04:37 PM »
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The altimeter would be used for deploying the chute. nothing related to the ground other than where it is from his point.

A skydiver is interested in his altitude above the drop zone and probably has an altimeter that can be adjusted to zero the drop zone elevation.  Cooper would not have any idea of the elevation of the terrain when he jumped due to the clouds below him and the darkness.

To elaborate on this, yes a skydiver's altimeter is set to AGL (above ground level) of the landing area. You couldn't accurately do this from the plane, it would be preset before the jump. Cooper, not knowing exactly where he will be over hilly/mountainous terrain, would have no idea what to set it to. But he wouldn't need an altimeter to survive the jump. If he's experienced he could see enough to not go in. If he's not he probably pulls fairly quickly after exit.


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I watch these videos, and it underscores how dangerous and difficult skydiving is. The idea that anyone can just jump out of an airplane at 10,000 feet and survive like it's no big deal is bananas.

Cooper's jump wasn't easy. At all. For a novice, it would likely be deadly.


In the immortal words of Larry Yohn, one of my earliest instructors, "It's really not that fucking hard."

I've been doing it for over 40 years, thousands and thousands and thousands of jumps, and I've only been killed twice.

Been reading this thread and your comments about pulling the ripcord early if an inexperienced diver make complete sense.  So Let me ask two questions here?  I personally believe he was ABSOLUTELY EXPERIENCED based on his knowledge of the planes and chutes.  His complete calmness right until his departure. So if he knew what he was doing and most of us believe he did, in 1971, with clouds below, and lets say he can trust the 10,000 feet altitude he ordered the pilots to maintain?  Could he have lets say counted, like 1,2,3,4 etc to guess his altitude when he pulls?  IE, would he know how many feet per second he would drop?  Second question, is the movie Point Break.  I assume you have seen it.  The one with the late great Patrick Swayze and Keano Reeves.  Not the newer remake. (which I have not seen).  The parachute scene is crazy as you know. So Swayze pulls his chute very very late. Maybe hundreds of feet from the water?  How far fetched is that?  And the control they had before they pulled the chutes?  Can we believe that DB Cooper could have had more control than people have been told?  Perhaps he could have maneuvered before he pulled the cord or if he pulled on one rope would it not steer him to some degree?   
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5737 on: November 30, 2020, 03:52:15 PM »
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I hate to rain on  anyone's parade.  I watched the Tena Bar video on You Tube, its just too far fetched for me to believe Cooper would ever have returned there to plant $5k in in the sand?  Why?  If he wanted to prove he made it, he could have put some of the money in circulation immediately.  He did not want to get caught obviously.  I still believe he made it. I wonder if he knew the money was likely recorded early on?  Like when he first laid eyes on it?  Would it have been consecutive numbers or would they have scrambled them?  And it is strange the money was in the bands and did not come apart. 
The letters are the other mystery within a mystery.  The code and Rackstraw?  Well they sure do not believe he was DB, so I don't either
For what it's worth, I have never believed that DB planted the money to fool anyone. But it was a hell of a lot of cash to walk into civilization with eventually without a knapsack. He could not possibly have remained inconspicuous, so unless he had an accomplice or a way to track a vehicle he'd left somewhere (Mannix has informed me such devices did exist, lol, though I'm not sure how practical they'd be to jump with) he'd have to stash the money for a time until the area had cooled off a bit and he could come back for it. (McCoy hid his in a culvert but they caught him before he could retrieve it.)

Some of the money - the bills found - may have been damaged before he could retrieve them, or merely fallen loose from his makeshift money belt while he was still in the air, ending up at Tena Bar god knows how. It's never left my mind, though, that the bills didn't fan as if they'd been in the water there. However they got to Tena Bar, I do not believe they washed up, and the loss of money, which was attached in a makeshift way to Cooper, does not immediately indicate the loss of his life. He may have only gotten away with the crime, not the money. But I think if he'd gotten his knapsack, the money would never have been found at Tina/Tena Bar.

I don't know what to make of the letters but I don't really believe they came from DBC. If the cops were assuming or at least putting the theory around he was likely dead, who would risk arrest stating otherwise? There's nothing in his behaviour on the plane to indicate he was mentally disturbed enough to do that. It would be a stupid thing to do, and he didn't do one stupid thing on that plane.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5738 on: November 30, 2020, 04:16:56 PM »
Been wondering about the fanning of the bills. will they remain like that or would they end up going back into form after being soaked for a long period. then you have to wonder if this would happen while still in the bag?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5739 on: December 01, 2020, 12:53:45 PM »
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I hate to rain on  anyone's parade.  I watched the Tena Bar video on You Tube, its just too far fetched for me to believe Cooper would ever have returned there to plant $5k in in the sand?  Why?  If he wanted to prove he made it, he could have put some of the money in circulation immediately.  He did not want to get caught obviously.  I still believe he made it. I wonder if he knew the money was likely recorded early on?  Like when he first laid eyes on it?  Would it have been consecutive numbers or would they have scrambled them?  And it is strange the money was in the bands and did not come apart. 
The letters are the other mystery within a mystery.  The code and Rackstraw?  Well they sure do not believe he was DB, so I don't either
For what it's worth, I have never believed that DB planted the money to fool anyone. But it was a hell of a lot of cash to walk into civilization with eventually without a knapsack. He could not possibly have remained inconspicuous, so unless he had an accomplice or a way to track a vehicle he'd left somewhere (Mannix has informed me such devices did exist, lol, though I'm not sure how practical they'd be to jump with) he'd have to stash the money for a time until the area had cooled off a bit and he could come back for it. (McCoy hid his in a culvert but they caught him before he could retrieve it.)

Some of the money - the bills found - may have been damaged before he could retrieve them, or merely fallen loose from his makeshift money belt while he was still in the air, ending up at Tena Bar god knows how. It's never left my mind, though, that the bills didn't fan as if they'd been in the water there. However they got to Tena Bar, I do not believe they washed up, and the loss of money, which was attached in a makeshift way to Cooper, does not immediately indicate the loss of his life. He may have only gotten away with the crime, not the money. But I think if he'd gotten his knapsack, the money would never have been found at Tina/Tena Bar.

I don't know what to make of the letters but I don't really believe they came from DBC. If the cops were assuming or at least putting the theory around he was likely dead, who would risk arrest stating otherwise? There's nothing in his behaviour on the plane to indicate he was mentally disturbed enough to do that. It would be a stupid thing to do, and he didn't do one stupid thing on that plane.

The Zodiac killer in SF who was never caught sent many letters.  They were certain it was him.  He was not stupid but deranged yes.  I agree the letters were likely not from  the real DB Cooper.  I still believe he lost part of the money, not all.  And some of those cops are just so arrogant to speculate he is dead.  The evidence IMO points more to him surviving and simply beating them.  Like Mahone said in Prison Break, "You can't get em all".  (Wiliam Fightner, from Buffalo NY)
 

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« Reply #5740 on: December 08, 2020, 06:52:55 PM »
Can someone please help me get my hands on the Palmer report? I can't seem to find it online.
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« Reply #5741 on: December 08, 2020, 06:59:22 PM »
The only one's who actually has the report are Tom K, and Georger and possibly Cook. some can be found in the 302's..
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« Reply #5742 on: December 08, 2020, 08:15:09 PM »
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Can someone please help me get my hands on the Palmer report?

On 10.21.2020 I submitted an FOIA request for the "Columbia River flow study" mentioned in Part 51, page 375, footnote 21559, which may or may not be the same as the Palmer report. The response on 10.29.2020 referred to a "Flow study of Washougal River" (which I had not specifically requested) and reported "no records found".
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« Reply #5743 on: December 08, 2020, 08:50:05 PM »
How long ago?

Didn't see the reply above..

I guess they are still using the "case open" clause that prevents them from releasing information. the case is still technically open.
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« Reply #5744 on: December 08, 2020, 09:14:30 PM »
They might not even know where to look since they don't know what happened to the butts. perhaps we should send them the 302 telling them the butts were destroyed.