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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5490 on: September 12, 2020, 10:07:24 AM »
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Here is a link to a photo provided by Tom Kaye trying to get a slope from a 1980 pic of Tbar.

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Attempting to determine the slope via a photograph strikes me as ridiculous. How can any certainty be derived from the photograph shown? I'm not even certain what part of Tena Bar this is located.

On the other hand, applying math by way of factoring in the altitude of the old gravel road and its distance to the water's edge will be very accurate.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5491 on: September 12, 2020, 10:28:13 AM »
I have to reconfirm. Tom speaks about FBI photo's so this might be a picture during his visit back 2006 or 97..I was first thinking it shown the money location taken from the north. that looks more like the tree in his other pics? I don't think Tom is allowed to release those photo's..
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5492 on: September 12, 2020, 10:47:51 AM »
Tom responded...

It is from 1980 as I stated earlier.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5493 on: September 12, 2020, 11:03:02 AM »
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Here is a link to a photo provided by Tom Kaye trying to get a slope from a 1980 pic of Tbar.

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The thing to note--which I have suspected and makes sense--is that the picture appears to show that the slope of the beach is steeper near the water's edge then flattens out to some degree near the top of the beach.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5494 on: September 12, 2020, 11:06:18 AM »
Yes, I see that..have another good color photo but need to make sure it's ok to post..the present photo is showing the money location. someone kneeling in the spot can be seen when you zoom in..it's actually a photographer taking pics. he's clearly visible in the second photo.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5495 on: September 12, 2020, 12:42:34 PM »
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The beach property actually belongs to the Hans Egger family of Vancouver

Really, does the name Anderson mean anything?
Did the FBI ask the wrong people when enter there property?
Does parcels over rule land survey's?
Could be misinformation?
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5496 on: September 12, 2020, 12:54:34 PM »
Here is another pic of Tbar supplied by Tom Kaye. it shows a side view of the money location with two markers in the ground where the money was found..

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5497 on: September 12, 2020, 02:15:25 PM »
All,

Here is another FBI photo clearly showing the money site and the river level. The box shows the height above the water and we can use the height of the kneeling guy as a yardstick. I originally thought the money find was 8-9 ft above the water based on my modern day measurement of a 10 degree beach slope but this pic shows otherwise. It looks like it would be pretty easy for the water level to soak the money.

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5498 on: September 12, 2020, 02:17:34 PM »
Thanks Tom..I couldn't get the pics small enough or judge the size since I'm on a projected screen 12 feet wide..so I just link it..

Also see the guy in action making the grid lines  8)
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5499 on: September 12, 2020, 02:24:02 PM »
Does this now toss a wrench into the diatoms?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5500 on: September 12, 2020, 02:48:43 PM »
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All,

Here is another FBI photo clearly showing the money site and the river level. The box shows the height above the water and we can use the height of the kneeling guy as a yardstick. I originally thought the money find was 8-9 ft above the water based on my modern day measurement of a 10 degree beach slope but this pic shows otherwise. It looks like it would be pretty easy for the water level to soak the money.

Tom Kaye

This is where you need to be very careful.

Notice the guy walking up the beach leaning forward, as well as the two people way in the background by the structure who appear to be leaning to the left. This clearly shows that the picture is tilted. Unless, of course, people all lean to the east in Vancouver.

Again, a much more reliable way to accurately measure the height of the money find spot above the river at normal levels comes from using the gravel road. The gravel road does not move. The gravel road is still in place today.

On the other hand, the river fluctuates. In fact, the river in February 1980 may have been higher than normal. As I recall one media report from February 1980 mentioned recent high river levels on the Columbia. Also, a review of the weather from February 4, 1980 through February 12, 1980 show that temps in Vancouver ranged from 10 degrees above average to a degree or two above average--this of course could contribute to greater snow melt and higher run-off.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5501 on: September 12, 2020, 02:51:24 PM »
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All,

Here is another FBI photo clearly showing the money site and the river level. The box shows the height above the water and we can use the height of the kneeling guy as a yardstick. I originally thought the money find was 8-9 ft above the water based on my modern day measurement of a 10 degree beach slope but this pic shows otherwise. It looks like it would be pretty easy for the water level to soak the money.

Tom Kaye

The pole that the kneeling guy on the right has in his left hand appears to be about 15 to 20 feet from the high tide line.

This view is looking to the south and I don't see a single thing that I recognize.  Evidently erosion since 1980 has completely obliterated this beach area and moved the water line to the east and into what used to be a wooded area. 
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5502 on: September 12, 2020, 02:52:10 PM »
Looks like you can see a small bit of the road as well as the car between the tree's?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5503 on: September 12, 2020, 02:54:09 PM »
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Here is a link to a photo provided by Tom Kaye trying to get a slope from a 1980 pic of Tbar.

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The thing to note--which I have suspected and makes sense--is that the picture appears to show that the slope of the beach is steeper near the water's edge then flattens out to some degree near the top of the beach.

That 7.9 is apparently the slope in degrees at the water's edge and the 5.5 is the slope in degrees further away from the water.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5504 on: September 12, 2020, 02:55:21 PM »
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Looks like you can see a small bit of the road as well as the car between the tree's?

That car is about 12 to 15 feet above the river level under normal conditions.
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