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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5325 on: September 03, 2020, 11:46:51 AM »
I have ordered a high rez photo of Tbar several months after the money was found in 1980..it's going to take a while to process the order according to them but should be a good photo to help clear up some on going issues. doubtful but would be neat if some area's were still noticeable of the dig..the photo is about 3 months after the fact...
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5326 on: September 03, 2020, 03:07:02 PM »
Going back a few pages:

I think we need to think this through the eyes of Cooper.

He completes a daring skydive from 10000 feet, belted by freezing winds and pelted in the face by freezing rain. He plummets through the darkness before pulling the cord and get roughly jerked back into the air before miraculously floating safely onto the beach at Tena Bar.

He’s not standing on the beach at Tena Bar, filled with adrenaline and shivering from the cold. He has no idea where he is. Somewhere along the Columbia he guesses. But before or after the turn north? He has no clue.

Jacked with adrenaline, fear, elation, and panic, he decides to bury the money just beneath the sandy surface right where he landed. When he’s done, he flees into the rural darkness with his business suit soaked through and his wet loafers giving him unbearable blisters.

Then, six months later, he somehow learns - probably from local papers - that the Columbia is flooding. Again, he is filled with fear and panic because he foolishly buried his hard earned loot mere feet from the river’s edge. He left it there all winter praying that no one would discover it.

He hurries to where he think he buried it. It was over six months ago in the dark so backtracking is nearly impossible, but he does it. In the cover of darkness, he sloshes through calf-deep water and by a miracle locates the exact spot he buried. He digs under the water through water-logged sand and brings up bundle after bundle. It’s dark and he has no time to count - despite the fact that he risked life and limb to get the money. What does a few thousand matter after all?

He escapes with the loot, leaving nearly $6000 behind to lay there undisturbed for 8 years.

I can only speak for myself, but he idea of Cooper surviving the jump, landing in an unknown location in the dark, burying money just yards from the water, not returning until 6 months later, finding the exact spot under feet of water, probably under the cover of darkness, retrieving the cash, but not being careful enough to account for all of it, seems outlandish.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5327 on: September 03, 2020, 05:21:34 PM »
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Going back a few pages:

I think we need to think this through the eyes of Cooper.

He completes a daring skydive from 10000 feet, belted by freezing winds and pelted in the face by freezing rain. He plummets through the darkness before pulling the cord and get roughly jerked back into the air before miraculously floating safely onto the beach at Tena Bar.

He’s not standing on the beach at Tena Bar, filled with adrenaline and shivering from the cold. He has no idea where he is. Somewhere along the Columbia he guesses. But before or after the turn north? He has no clue.

Jacked with adrenaline, fear, elation, and panic, he decides to bury the money just beneath the sandy surface right where he landed. When he’s done, he flees into the rural darkness with his business suit soaked through and his wet loafers giving him unbearable blisters.

Then, six months later, he somehow learns - probably from local papers - that the Columbia is flooding. Again, he is filled with fear and panic because he foolishly buried his hard earned loot mere feet from the river’s edge. He left it there all winter praying that no one would discover it.

He hurries to where he think he buried it. It was over six months ago in the dark so backtracking is nearly impossible, but he does it. In the cover of darkness, he sloshes through calf-deep water and by a miracle locates the exact spot he buried. He digs under the water through water-logged sand and brings up bundle after bundle. It’s dark and he has no time to count - despite the fact that he risked life and limb to get the money. What does a few thousand matter after all?

He escapes with the loot, leaving nearly $6000 behind to lay there undisturbed for 8 years.

I can only speak for myself, but he idea of Cooper surviving the jump, landing in an unknown location in the dark, burying money just yards from the water, not returning until 6 months later, finding the exact spot under feet of water, probably under the cover of darkness, retrieving the cash, but not being careful enough to account for all of it, seems outlandish.

I think we need to think this through the eyes of Cooper.

Could you give us the transcript of your interview with DB Cooper? His interview tapes. His Stanford Benet results? . . . and so it goes.

And the same for Mr. Ulis' ...

 :-\    I will even settle for a Transactional Analysis of the DB Cooper hijacking based on crew interviews -  which nobody has done! Apparently nobody here but R99 even knows what I'm talking about except he rules it out because of his alleged REDACTIONS IN THE MALDUM FORNAX by Gog, Magog, and Mickey Mouse.

Somebody needs to show us a lamp in the mud or snow which they claim is Cooper's body, or a track of Cooper twenties from some account to Ulis' bank account! 

A  track of mash-mellows from Cooper to Tina Bar.

Anything - tangible!

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« Reply #5328 on: September 03, 2020, 06:41:37 PM »
Georger, the above post warrants a post report like you often do when things are said against you. either disagree respectfully or don't post anything at all. the next time will be an automatic ban of two weeks. no warning, just a click..
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5329 on: September 03, 2020, 10:23:34 PM »
Outlandish? Yes. But true? Maybe.

Chaucer, you see things through a harsh lens. "Face pelted with freezing rain"? Hmmm. Maybe. At 5,500 feet when he hit the 85% cloud cover it might have been raining. But freezing? Remember, he might have already deployed his parachute and would be coasting downward under a very large umbrella at 1,000 feet per minute when he hit that moisture.

I wonder how you would characterize Richard LaPoint's descent from 12,000 feet in the January cold of Colorado while wearing only a shirt and slacks - and of course his famous cowboy boots.
 

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« Reply #5330 on: September 03, 2020, 11:20:12 PM »
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Georger, the above post warrants a post report like you often do when things are said against you. either disagree respectfully or don't post anything at all. the next time will be an automatic ban of two weeks. no warning, just a click..

Poster said: ""Face pelted with freezing rain"? "

I disagree respectfully!   :chr2:

When I see some actual facts being presented and discussed I will be the first to note it and applaud it!   
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5331 on: September 04, 2020, 02:10:39 AM »
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Outlandish? Yes. But true? Maybe.

Chaucer, you see things through a harsh lens. "Face pelted with freezing rain"? Hmmm. Maybe. At 5,500 feet when he hit the 85% cloud cover it might have been raining. But freezing? Remember, he might have already deployed his parachute and would be coasting downward under a very large umbrella at 1,000 feet per minute when he hit that moisture.

I wonder how you would characterize Richard LaPoint's descent from 12,000 feet in the January cold of Colorado while wearing only a shirt and slacks - and of course his famous cowboy boots.
And it's pretty hard to re-appear unnoticed anywhere with 20+ lbs of cash in a makeshift money belt. Plus, didn't McCoy hide his money in a culvert? They tracked him, of course, being post-Cooper and all. But if Cooper were going to hide the money in the woods, it would have to be somewhere easy to find again. An experienced trekker/parachutist familiar with the area would have been ready for the (debatable) weather conditions. If he knew the lay of the land well enough to get to Tina Bar, it would be easy to come back for the money later - even just days later - if anyone had noticed him, he could pretend to be a treasure hunter. But would anyone even have been looking in the TBar area at the time? If not, that makes it an even easier fetch.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5332 on: September 04, 2020, 02:31:50 AM »
Actually, being pelted in the face by freezing rain in freefall isn't really all that bad. The standard joke is that you're hitting the pointy end of the raindrop, but yeah, that's just a joke. Sure, it stings, but it's not debilitating. Ever skied in a blizzard? Kinda sorta similar.
 

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« Reply #5333 on: September 04, 2020, 03:27:33 AM »
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Outlandish? Yes. But true? Maybe.

Chaucer, you see things through a harsh lens. "Face pelted with freezing rain"? Hmmm. Maybe. At 5,500 feet when he hit the 85% cloud cover it might have been raining. But freezing? Remember, he might have already deployed his parachute and would be coasting downward under a very large umbrella at 1,000 feet per minute when he hit that moisture.

I wonder how you would characterize Richard LaPoint's descent from 12,000 feet in the January cold of Colorado while wearing only a shirt and slacks - and of course his famous cowboy boots.
And it's pretty hard to re-appear unnoticed anywhere with 20+ lbs of cash in a makeshift money belt. Plus, didn't McCoy hide his money in a culvert? They tracked him, of course, being post-Cooper and all. But if Cooper were going to hide the money in the woods, it would have to be somewhere easy to find again. An experienced trekker/parachutist familiar with the area would have been ready for the (debatable) weather conditions. If he knew the lay of the land well enough to get to Tina Bar, it would be easy to come back for the money later - even just days later - if anyone had noticed him, he could pretend to be a treasure hunter. But would anyone even have been looking in the TBar area at the time? If not, that makes it an even easier fetch.

Then the upper 6 inches of sand where the money was found dates back to November 24, 1971 ? Palmer said it was only 2 years old at most ? Or, doesn't the age of the sand the money was found in matter?   

In addition to that, we know the Ingram money apparently got exposed to a full season of Columbia diatoms somewhere between 11-24-71 and 2-10-80.  And for that to happen the money has to be exposed to Columbia river water either directly or through seepage. 
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« Reply #5334 on: September 04, 2020, 05:55:12 AM »
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Going back a few pages:

I think we need to think this through the eyes of Cooper.

He completes a daring skydive from 10000 feet, belted by freezing winds and pelted in the face by freezing rain. He plummets through the darkness before pulling the cord and get roughly jerked back into the air before miraculously floating safely onto the beach at Tena Bar.

He’s not standing on the beach at Tena Bar, filled with adrenaline and shivering from the cold. He has no idea where he is. Somewhere along the Columbia he guesses. But before or after the turn north? He has no clue.

Jacked with adrenaline, fear, elation, and panic, he decides to bury the money just beneath the sandy surface right where he landed. When he’s done, he flees into the rural darkness with his business suit soaked through and his wet loafers giving him unbearable blisters.

Then, six months later, he somehow learns - probably from local papers - that the Columbia is flooding. Again, he is filled with fear and panic because he foolishly buried his hard earned loot mere feet from the river’s edge. He left it there all winter praying that no one would discover it.

He hurries to where he think he buried it. It was over six months ago in the dark so backtracking is nearly impossible, but he does it. In the cover of darkness, he sloshes through calf-deep water and by a miracle locates the exact spot he buried. He digs under the water through water-logged sand and brings up bundle after bundle. It’s dark and he has no time to count - despite the fact that he risked life and limb to get the money. What does a few thousand matter after all?

He escapes with the loot, leaving nearly $6000 behind to lay there undisturbed for 8 years.

I can only speak for myself, but he idea of Cooper surviving the jump, landing in an unknown location in the dark, burying money just yards from the water, not returning until 6 months later, finding the exact spot under feet of water, probably under the cover of darkness, retrieving the cash, but not being careful enough to account for all of it, seems outlandish.

I may have misunderstood what you are saying and doing ?

Are you claiming Cooper landed at Tina Bar etc .... or .... are you saying you disagree with any contention Cooper landed at Tina Bar and buried money there etc?

I may have misunderstood your post and your intention?

From my point of view, theories and forensic facts must be compatible. Otherwise Tom Kaye's work etc is a total waste of time, just for starters.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5335 on: September 04, 2020, 11:02:31 AM »
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Then the upper 6 inches of sand where the money was found dates back to November 24, 1971 ? Palmer said it was only 2 years old at most ? Or, doesn't the age of the sand the money was found in matter?   


Part of the problem is that certain “facts” are not being questioned and vetted. Specifically, the Palmer Report and its apparent claims that the money was found in sand that had only been on the beach for a maximum of two years.

Palmer was just plain wrong about this. How do I know? Well, let’s look at some other verifiable facts for compatibility.

1)   The money was found in February 1980. What high-water river events occurred between February 1978 and February 1980 that could have delivered, and buried, the money at the money find spot and replenished the area with several inches of new sand? ANSWER: There weren’t any.

2)   The money was found severally rotted with entire bills completely rotted and gone, while other bills in better shape—like 377’s bill—had rotted 75% of their mass away. How can a bill rot to that degree in two years or less? And, if the money arrived at Tena Bar within two years of the 1980 find already severely rotted, how then did these three packets, with brittle rubberbands, manage to stay together?

To be sure, some facts can be taken to the bank and need to be factored into the mystery. Other “facts” I’m afraid are not facts at all. Rather, they are mistakes which actively conceal the truth.
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« Reply #5336 on: September 04, 2020, 11:51:02 AM »
There was other debris and trash found in the same layer of sand as the money. Palmer noted all of that stuff was new, with very little rust or oxidation.
 

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« Reply #5337 on: September 04, 2020, 12:03:37 PM »
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There was other debris and trash found in the same layer of sand as the money. Palmer noted all of that stuff was new, with very little rust or oxidation.

Remember that Palmer dug trenches all the way to the water's edge. With that in mind, how close to the water's edge was some of this "fresh" debris found? Was there any debris found at the money find spot?

Wouldn't we expect to find fresh debris that hasn't rusted in the top layer of sand on any beach in the world that supports, or is near, commercial activity? Also, non-rusted debris tells me that this debris was very fresh because metal rusts very quickly.
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« Reply #5338 on: September 04, 2020, 01:24:24 PM »
Sorry, perhaps I didn't articulate my point very well.

Obviously, I took some creative license with my description, and I won't pretend to know what exactly happened to Cooper after he jumped. However, my point was to suggest how farfetched the theory that Cooper landed near Tena Bar, buried the money immediately, and then returned six months later to recover it. It certainly sounds easy to write, but when you consider all of the possible variables (the weather, disorientation, adrenaline, flooding, passage of time) this theory becomes harder and harder to swallow.

 I think it is far more likely that Cooper died in the jump and the money ended up on Tena Bar through natural means.
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« Reply #5339 on: September 04, 2020, 02:13:19 PM »
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Sorry, perhaps I didn't articulate my point very well.

Obviously, I took some creative license with my description, and I won't pretend to know what exactly happened to Cooper after he jumped. However, my point was to suggest how farfetched the theory that Cooper landed near Tena Bar, buried the money immediately, and then returned six months later to recover it. It certainly sounds easy to write, but when you consider all of the possible variables (the weather, disorientation, adrenaline, flooding, passage of time) this theory becomes harder and harder to swallow.

 I think it is far more likely that Cooper died in the jump and the money ended up on Tena Bar through natural means.

Well ... you certainly fooled me.

Thanks for the explanation.