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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Offline Shutter

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5055 on: August 16, 2020, 12:06:11 AM »
Correct, and you can clearly see the containment pond area is due south of the money location..the first arrow under "the tide line" label is close to where Tom put his location..Tom's curved road is in the small patch of tree's..the flyby video also shows a much larger amount of tree's in the location with no containment pond in the background..
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5056 on: August 16, 2020, 12:22:49 AM »
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Correct, and you can clearly see the containment pond area is due south of the money location..the first arrow under "the tide line" label is close to where Tom put his location..Tom's curved road is in the small patch of tree's..the flyby video also shows a much larger amount of tree's in the location with no containment pond in the background..

Referring to posts #5051 and #5054, the blue line going off to the northeast is a berm type of thing that apparently serves as a turn around location for farming equipment.  The area between the blue line and the north edge of the containment pit apparently was used to grow something to feed the Fazio's cattle.  And the long narrow white line on the east side of the containment pit is apparently a feeding trough for the cattle.

Other areas on the Fazio property (and west of the NW Lower River Road) were also apparently used to grow hay or some such thing for their cattle.  There were farm fields on the east side of the NW Lower River Road from the Fazio dairy and sand operations that were used to grow row crops of some kind, at least in 2009 or so.  I don't know if the were Fazio property or not.

I remembering a picture from somewhere that was apparently taken from a helicopter and looking from the Fazio building area to the northwest.  There appeared to be a line of cars parked adjacent to the trough.  I suspect that they were FBI vehicles and taken during the three or four days that the FBI was at Tina Bar.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5057 on: August 16, 2020, 12:50:08 AM »
This is sort of getting out of hand. What Shutter has depicted is very accurate--the red line denoting the containment pond in one pic could be moved slightly west to denote the western levy which now has a road on top of it.

As to the exact location of the money find spot, the coordinates are 45.718551, -122.759407 which is non-negotiable. It is what it is.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5058 on: August 16, 2020, 01:19:55 AM »
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Correct, and you can clearly see the containment pond area is due south of the money location..the first arrow under "the tide line" label is close to where Tom put his location..Tom's curved road is in the small patch of tree's..the flyby video also shows a much larger amount of tree's in the location with no containment pond in the background..

Referring to posts #5051 and #5054, the blue line going off to the northeast is a berm type of thing that apparently serves as a turn around location for farming equipment.  The area between the blue line and the north edge of the containment pit apparently was used to grow something to feed the Fazio's cattle.  And the long narrow white line on the east side of the containment pit is apparently a feeding trough for the cattle.

Other areas on the Fazio property (and west of the NW Lower River Road) were also apparently used to grow hay or some such thing for their cattle.  There were farm fields on the east side of the NW Lower River Road from the Fazio dairy and sand operations that were used to grow row crops of some kind, at least in 2009 or so.  I don't know if the were Fazio property or not.

I remembering a picture from somewhere that was apparently taken from a helicopter and looking from the Fazio building area to the northwest.  There appeared to be a line of cars parked adjacent to the trough.  I suspect that they were FBI vehicles and taken during the three or four days that the FBI was at Tina Bar.

The Fazios have never had a dairy operation. Their cattle are feeder stock (for growth then sold) ... source is the Fazios themselves. Stocker cattle are normally purchased in the spring then sold in the Fall. There has never been a large cattle operation on that property going clear back to Tell Tena. The Fazio property has always been devoted to commercial vegetable farming. The Fazios still run a cabbage processing plant on their property with many commercial contracts serviced yearly... the Fazio family is  large family originally from Italy and Sicily, all engaged in farming at one time or another going clear back to the 1800s. Some family members still live at Vancouver.   

This is old news.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5059 on: August 16, 2020, 10:01:50 AM »
I have a lot of respect for Tom and his work. this was a mistake and nothing more. it's not a great distance between the two coords. even looking out to the Columbia will fool you with multiple signs and wingdams. Tom has put a great deal of effort into the evidence and has changed the way we look at things. that's what counts. I'm honored to know Tom and have him bring new evidence here, sometimes before anyone else and for that I would like to publicly thank him for everything he has done to forward this case..

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5060 on: August 16, 2020, 01:17:10 PM »
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This is sort of getting out of hand. What Shutter has depicted is very accurate--the red line denoting the containment pond in one pic could be moved slightly west to denote the western levy which now has a road on top of it.

As to the exact location of the money find spot, the coordinates are 45.718551, -122.759407 which is non-negotiable. It is what it is.

EU, what "western levy"?  The only levee associated with the Fazio property that we have been discussing is on the east side of the property.  The NW Lower River Road is built on top of that levee.  There is no levee associated with Tina Bar.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5061 on: August 16, 2020, 01:22:46 PM »
The Portland/Vancouver/Ingram 302s ?  That detail taking Ingram to the site, questioning him, driving a stake at the find site etc...

Where are they? Will we see them soon?  C:-)
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5062 on: August 16, 2020, 02:07:06 PM »
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This is sort of getting out of hand. What Shutter has depicted is very accurate--the red line denoting the containment pond in one pic could be moved slightly west to denote the western levy which now has a road on top of it.

As to the exact location of the money find spot, the coordinates are 45.718551, -122.759407 which is non-negotiable. It is what it is.

EU, what "western levy"?  The only levee associated with the Fazio property that we have been discussing is on the east side of the property.  The NW Lower River Road is built on top of that levee.  There is no levee associated with Tina Bar.

The word "levy" is sort of a misnomer. In other words, I use the word loosely in this case.

That said, the western edge of the containment pond--which runs north-south-- looks exactly like a levee. It even has a small gravel road along the top of it. The southern end of this levee/road is mere feet away from the "Tina Bar" sign.

Richard Fazio told me that the flood of February 9, 1996 reached very near the top of this levee. According to Google Earth the levee road is about 24 feet above the surface of the Columbia River under normal conditions.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5063 on: August 16, 2020, 02:55:34 PM »
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This is sort of getting out of hand. What Shutter has depicted is very accurate--the red line denoting the containment pond in one pic could be moved slightly west to denote the western levy which now has a road on top of it.

As to the exact location of the money find spot, the coordinates are 45.718551, -122.759407 which is non-negotiable. It is what it is.

EU, what "western levy"?  The only levee associated with the Fazio property that we have been discussing is on the east side of the property.  The NW Lower River Road is built on top of that levee.  There is no levee associated with Tina Bar.

The word "levy" is sort of a misnomer. In other words, I use the word loosely in this case.

That said, the western edge of the containment pond--which runs north-south-- looks exactly like a levy. It even has a small gravel road along the top of it. The southern end of this levy/road is mere feet away from the "Tina Bar" sign.

Richard Fazio told me that the flood of February 9, 1996 reached very near the top of this levy. According to Google Earth the levy road is about 24 feet above the surface of the Columbia River under normal conditions.

When Meyer Louie and I were at Tina Bar in 2013, "Jon" told us that he had been there just about ever day for the previous 50 years.  Jon also had a key to the Tina Bar gate.

He also told us that the highest water level he had seen on the Columbia reached what appeared to be a railroad tie that was about 20 feet horizontally from the gate and on the west bank of the containment pond.  It was also only a couple of feet lower than the bottom of the gate.  So this is in agreement with what Richard Fazio told you.

Jon also said that he had never seen anything go from the river into the pond or vice-versa.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5064 on: August 16, 2020, 07:21:44 PM »
So, with all of this, WHERE was the money found?
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5065 on: August 16, 2020, 07:45:37 PM »
Right where the red circle is located on the photo. by 2007 a lot had changed on Tbar making it hard to locate..
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5066 on: August 16, 2020, 08:04:32 PM »
That’s very close to the water’s edge. That location is 10 feet about water level?

I will fully admit that I’ve never been to Tena Bar, but damn if that doesn’t look like it right by the water’s edge.
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« Reply #5067 on: August 16, 2020, 08:06:53 PM »
The photo was taken in 1979 with a unknown tide level...it was only used to identify the location..
 

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« Reply #5068 on: August 16, 2020, 08:41:51 PM »
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Right where the red circle is located on the photo. by 2007 a lot had changed on Tbar making it hard to locate..

The money find spot is actually on the very bottom of the red circle. Literally on the red line. It is not in between the trees circled.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5069 on: August 16, 2020, 08:45:27 PM »
The map was created to show approximate locations..nothing more...