THE FACTS OF THE INGRAM FIND AS TOLD BY AGENTS WHO PARTICIPATED:

Shutter's ID of trees etc from 1980 news aerial views is spot on! Take Shutter's identifications as GOSPEL. Shutter's identifications are consistent with all of the known facts.

One more time, here is the timeline of events, and the how and why of the Ingram find. The location of the Ingram find was identified to two Vancouver FBI agents by Harold Ingram himself at Tina Bar. Brian Ingram was not there. The Fazios were not present. No Portland or Seattle Office agents were present. Only Harold and two Vancouver agents were present. It was Vancouver agents with Harold because the find site was in Vancouver Office jurisdiction. Portland agents did not visit the site until the next day. The Vancouver agents drove a stake with a ribbon attached at the site Ingram identified to them. The find site area and the Ingram find site stake were photographed as a record, but no surveying for coordinates of the find site was ever done. 302s between the Vancouver, Portland, and Seattle offices were generated as a record of everything transpiring on Monday, Feb 11th 1980.

1. Sunday Feb 10th     –    money found at Tena Bar
2. Monday Feb 11, 1980   -   Ingram calls Portland FBI and gives serial numbers... told call back around 5:00pm … serial numbers verified and Vancouver Office called because find is in their jurisdiction … Ingram calls Portland back at ~6:00pm and talks to Himmelsbach and is told Vancouver agents will contact him... Vancouver agents contact Ingrams and arrange to take Harold to the find site to identify the exact location.
3. Tuesday Feb 12   -   Dorwin and crew arrive and find Ingram stake from day before, canvas site,  grid laid out using Ingram find site stake as the "cornerstone of our grid", Fazios brought to site to verify property lines, excavation starts . . .

FBI land based photography of the find site and excavation was done, as well as aerial photography and video by News services. Tom Kaye was shown some of the FBI's photos at Seattle which he used to try and recover the original Ingram find site location.

Palmer's northern find site trench was started using the original Ingram-Vancouver agent locator stake as a nearby marker. Dorwin and his team used that stake as the "literal starting point for our grid" (Dorwin's words)  seen in aerial and land based photos and video. The grid was laid out both north and south of that original Ingram-Vancouver agent stake. 

The reliability of the original 'Ingram-Vancouver agent locator stake' rests completely on Harold Ingram's personal identification.

If someone wants to claim the money was found at some other location than Harold Ingram identified to agents, then they have a burden of proof to demonstrate.

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But your last sentence mystifies me.  What do you mean I was not in the right location?  Right location for what?  And when did you tell me that I was not in the right location for whatever?

Back in 2016 you continued to state the coords and where they were in reference to the containment pond and the fact of "being there" that's why I kept telling you the coords and location was incorrect if using those coords. you don't have to be there to see it. now, if you go by Tom's coords at home or on location you will still be in the WRONG place..nothing mystifying here...I still believe the zig zag/curved road was a factor that tricked Tom..it's hard to get a location of landscape 30/40 years after the fact..

For the record, Meyer Louie, Bruce Smith, and I spent a day at Tina Bar in August 2016 during the filming of a TV program.  Meyer Louie and I also spent another day there in 2013 checking some things out with metal detectors.  I also paid a visit there in November 2009 to get some idea of what the weather was like at the time of the hijacking.  Weather wise, the temperature was basically in the 40s both day and night and it rained off and on all day ever day.

The GPS coordinates that I have posted previously were obtained from Tom Kaye.  I understand that Kaye made a best estimate of the money find location in 2009.  The now grown-up boy who found the money in1980 was there then but could not identify the location where he found the money.  He reportedly was no assistance at all in locating where the money was found and could not identify anything at Tina Bar.  I remember seeing that mentioned in a newspaper article.

Let me point out once again that I did not recognize anything in the photos that you posted.  You were seeing things that I absolutely could not see in those photos.  On my visits to Tina Bar, I never saw anything that looked like a "zig zag/curved road" nor was I able to identify such a thing in the photos you posted or in contemporary aerial photos.

However, I could make a very good guess about the site TK estimated both from his GPS coordinates and from topographical information on the west side of the river which generally agreed with some of the FBI circled locations.  It should be remembered that the actual money find location was underwater by 2009.

It must also be remembered that Tina Bar is basically just sand and the trees that were showing in 1980 are no longer around.  Unfortunately, I don't have any peer reviewed information as to when the trees departed. 

Let me point out once again that I did not recognize anything in the photos that you posted.  You were seeing things that I absolutely could not see in those photos.  On my visits to Tina Bar, I never saw anything that looked like a "zig zag/curved road" nor was I able to identify such a thing in the photos you posted or in contemporary aerial photos.

I posted stills from the helicopter video, pictures from the FBI that anyone would recognize? then the aerial sat pics of different years after 1980 showing exactly where the location was. key factors remained for years. the angled road/path that is seen in the video. Tom was to far south...

Caterpillar was not a large target to hit in 1971....

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Here are Shutter photos - identifications he posted years ago.

The photos are mislabeled.  The bottom of the photos on the left is NORTH and the bottom of the photos on the right is SOUTH.

These are Shutter's photos - I had nothing to do with them.

My first pic you posted has things backwards..I marked in black the correct location..

I can verify that your black lines are very close to perfect.

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The bottom left picture with the lime green circle is incorrect if it's pointing to the money find spot. Rather, the money find spot is very near the small white splotch that is 7:00 of the lime green circle. It is directly on one of the vertical sand lines.