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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3555 on: September 20, 2017, 10:36:29 PM »
I don't know if this has ever been mentioned.  But does anyone find it interesting that the only money ever going turns up on Tena's bar?  The name of the person who sat next to and spent time talking with Cooper. Would like to know your thoughts
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3556 on: September 21, 2017, 12:07:23 AM »
And Tina was living just up river in Gresham, OR at the time of the money discovery on her namesake beach.

I find it intriguing. Even more so because Ms. Mucklow doesn't want to talk about it. Nor anyone else.

But it  could all be a coincidence.

You?
 

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« Reply #3557 on: September 21, 2017, 12:36:00 AM »
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And Tina was living just up river in Gresham, OR at the time of the money discovery on her namesake beach.

I find it intriguing. Even more so because Ms. Mucklow doesn't want to talk about it. Nor anyone else.

But it  could all be a coincidence.

You?

The names are simply a coincidence.  And the correct name is Tina Bar (it is also painted on the gate in great big letters), not T-e-n-a Bar as some people give it.

Bruce, Your relentless  pursuit of Tina, including taking sneaky pictures and popping up at her front door unannounced and trying to interview her, means that her dislike for you is no coincidence.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3558 on: September 21, 2017, 01:07:07 AM »
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I don't know if this has ever been mentioned.  But does anyone find it interesting that the only money ever going turns up on Tena's bar?  The name of the person who sat next to and spent time talking with Cooper. Would like to know your thoughts

Like everything Cooper this gets complicated. I tracked down one origin story and Smokin99 tracked the names down and property changes involved, on DZ some years ago.

First, not sure Tina ever gave Cooper her name but I could be wrong about that - will have to look testimony up if that will clear this up, which it may not! But, no question in the days after the hijacking Cooper could have obtained Tina's name from any news report. However ...

The Fazio's put up the sign, date of sign unknown, shown below. They misspelled the name Tena and they knew better! The Fazio family bought the property from a Swiss immigrant named Tell Tena. (His daughters name was Evangeline, btway, which has nothing to do with anything). Tell changed his name to Del. The place was a well known haunt and fishing hole for years under Del Tena's auspices commonly called "Tena's Bar". When money was found there in 1980 all the area newspapers and reporters familiar with the place called it "Tena Bar".  Or "Tena's Bar". Im not sure when the Fazio's put up their sign. Was Cooper familiar with this fishing hole - who knows. Did Cooper associate Tina Mucklow with Fazio's sign? Who knows! But it is a coincidence that has been noted by countless people.

Smith's theory is pure speculation! Discount his ravings on this completely.  ;) If Cooper put money there intentionally because of Tina Mucklow, to connect with her name, then obviously ... Cooper survived the jump! Dead people don't connect with the living. Nothing has ever surfaced to suggest the hijacker ever tried to contact any crew member after the hijacking, unless of course someone has something specific they wish to suggest? 8)

Prior to the Fazio sign there was no sign but it was known as "Tena's Bar" or "Tena Bar".



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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3559 on: September 21, 2017, 04:06:46 AM »
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I don't know if this has ever been mentioned.  But does anyone find it interesting that the only money ever going turns up on Tena's bar?  The name of the person who sat next to and spent time talking with Cooper. Would like to know your thoughts

Like everything Cooper this gets complicated. I tracked down one origin story and Smokin99 tracked the names down and property changes involved, on DZ some years ago.

First, not sure Tina ever gave Cooper her name but I could be wrong about that - will have to look testimony up if that will clear this up, which it may not! But, no question in the days after the hijacking Cooper could have obtained Tina's name from any news report. However ...

The Fazio's put up the sign, date of sign unknown, shown below. They misspelled the name Tena and they knew better! The Fazio family bought the property from a Swiss immigrant named Tell Tena. (His daughters name was Evangeline, btway, which has nothing to do with anything). Tell changed his name to Del. The place was a well known haunt and fishing hole for years under Del Tena's auspices commonly called "Tena's Bar". When money was found there in 1980 all the area newspapers and reporters familiar with the place called it "Tena Bar".  Or "Tena's Bar". Im not sure when the Fazio's put up their sign. Was Cooper familiar with this fishing hole - who knows. Did Cooper associate Tina Mucklow with Fazio's sign? Who knows! But it is a coincidence that has been noted by countless people.

Smith's theory is pure speculation! Discount his ravings on this completely.  ;) If Cooper put money there intentionally because of Tina Mucklow, to connect with her name, then obviously ... Cooper survived the jump! Dead people don't connect with the living. Nothing has ever surfaced to suggest the hijacker ever tried to contact any crew member after the hijacking, unless of course someone has something specific they wish to suggest? 8)

Prior to the Fazio sign there was no sign but it was known as "Tena's Bar" or "Tena Bar".


It that's true, Georger -- it's supposed to be Tena, not Tina -- then that makes me lean more toward a conclusion of pure coincidence that Tina Mucklow is connected in any way to Tena Bar.  The two words are spelled differently.  Even so, I'm still leaning toward pure coincidence that Tina Bar has any connection to Tina Mucklow.  And most of us think the Tina Bar-Ingram money was not a plant.  Knowing that natural processes were responsible for getting the money to Tina Bar makes the argument for pure coincidence even stronger. 

I just read R99's post where he says it's supposed to be Tina, not Tena.  I'm wondering about that -- you say 'Tena,' R99 says 'Tina.'   Comments R99? 

It may very well be a moot point, we're making something out of nothing.....or not??  We don't really know.....do we?  Interesting....

Meyer
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3560 on: September 21, 2017, 04:58:25 AM »
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And Tina was living just up river in Gresham, OR at the time of the money discovery on her namesake beach.

I find it intriguing. Even more so because Ms. Mucklow doesn't want to talk about it. Nor anyone else.

But it  could all be a coincidence.

You?

The names are simply a coincidence.  And the correct name is Tina Bar (it is also painted on the gate in great big letters), not T-e-n-a Bar as some people give it.

Bruce, Your relentless  pursuit of Tina, including taking sneaky pictures and popping up at her front door unannounced and trying to interview her, means that her dislike for you is no coincidence.

For the record, I never took any pictures of Tina. Yes, I published a few that others took - and virtually everyone here viewed because I had 40,000 hits at the Mountain News - but I took very special pains to print only those photos which did not reveal her whereabouts, license plates, make of car, her work place, or any other identifying elements.
 

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« Reply #3561 on: September 21, 2017, 08:38:12 AM »
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I don't know if this has ever been mentioned.  But does anyone find it interesting that the only money ever going turns up on Tena's bar?  The name of the person who sat next to and spent time talking with Cooper. Would like to know your thoughts

Like everything Cooper this gets complicated. I tracked down one origin story and Smokin99 tracked the names down and property changes involved, on DZ some years ago.

First, not sure Tina ever gave Cooper her name but I could be wrong about that - will have to look testimony up if that will clear this up, which it may not! But, no question in the days after the hijacking Cooper could have obtained Tina's name from any news report. However ...

The Fazio's put up the sign, date of sign unknown, shown below. They misspelled the name Tena and they knew better! The Fazio family bought the property from a Swiss immigrant named Tell Tena. (His daughters name was Evangeline, btway, which has nothing to do with anything). Tell changed his name to Del. The place was a well known haunt and fishing hole for years under Del Tena's auspices commonly called "Tena's Bar". When money was found there in 1980 all the area newspapers and reporters familiar with the place called it "Tena Bar".  Or "Tena's Bar". Im not sure when the Fazio's put up their sign. Was Cooper familiar with this fishing hole - who knows. Did Cooper associate Tina Mucklow with Fazio's sign? Who knows! But it is a coincidence that has been noted by countless people.

Smith's theory is pure speculation! Discount his ravings on this completely.  ;) If Cooper put money there intentionally because of Tina Mucklow, to connect with her name, then obviously ... Cooper survived the jump! Dead people don't connect with the living. Nothing has ever surfaced to suggest the hijacker ever tried to contact any crew member after the hijacking, unless of course someone has something specific they wish to suggest? 8)

Prior to the Fazio sign there was no sign but it was known as "Tena's Bar" or "Tena Bar".


It that's true, Georger -- it's supposed to be Tena, not Tina -- then that makes me lean more toward a conclusion of pure coincidence that Tina Mucklow is connected in any way to Tena Bar.  The two words are spelled differently.  Even so, I'm still leaning toward pure coincidence that Tina Bar has any connection to Tina Mucklow.  And most of us think the Tina Bar-Ingram money was not a plant.  Knowing that natural processes were responsible for getting the money to Tina Bar makes the argument for pure coincidence even stronger. 

I just read R99's post where he says it's supposed to be Tina, not Tena.  I'm wondering about that -- you say 'Tena,' R99 says 'Tina.'   Comments R99? 

It may very well be a moot point, we're making something out of nothing.....or not??  We don't really know.....do we?  Interesting....

Meyer

I don't remember all the details, but Georger is correct that there was quite a discussion here, and maybe on DropZone, some time back about the exact name.  "Tina" is the only name I have seen there and that is what I have used.  Either way is okay with me. 
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3562 on: September 21, 2017, 11:16:46 AM »
Inside job possible by the fact issues with sketch of cooper.  I think though it is coincidence about Tina Bar.  Maybe Cooper did know her name and for some reason just to leave a token to her so to speak.  However 5800 is a lot of money just to throw away.  More likely though the flight path therefore jump zone is off.  This according to  Captain Anderson who said he told Himmelsbach at his retirement partyfor the first time he was west of the vector.  Heal so said that this was the first time he had ever talked with Himmelsbac about the flight path.  That is strange in itself. Therefore if Anderson is right the whole search is thrown off this is how money gets to Tena Bar
 

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« Reply #3563 on: September 21, 2017, 12:57:10 PM »
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Inside job possible by the fact issues with sketch of cooper.  I think though it is coincidence about Tina Bar.  Maybe Cooper did know her name and for some reason just to leave a token to her so to speak.  However 5800 is a lot of money just to throw away.  More likely though the flight path therefore jump zone is off.  This according to  Captain Anderson who said he told Himmelsbach at his retirement partyfor the first time he was west of the vector.  Heal so said that this was the first time he had ever talked with Himmelsbac about the flight path.  That is strange in itself. Therefore if Anderson is right the whole search is thrown off this is how money gets to Tena Bar

I suggest that you read in detail the thread that I posted here on the flight path.  It might answer some of your questions.
 

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« Reply #3564 on: September 27, 2017, 11:49:31 PM »
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3565 on: September 30, 2017, 12:19:19 AM »
I think saying the money could have washed across the road and down onto the beach is akin to saying "Your Honor, those pot plants in my backyard sprouted all by themselves because theoretically a pilot could have thrown a joint out his window. Honest."

I have never seen a person try so hard to shove a square peg through a round hole. I believe Rackstraw's lawyer when he says there's a huge lawsuit on the horizon.
 

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« Reply #3566 on: September 30, 2017, 02:03:39 AM »
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I think saying the money could have washed across the road and down onto the beach is akin to saying "Your Honor, those pot plants in my backyard sprouted all by themselves because theoretically a pilot could have thrown a joint out his window. Honest."

I have never seen a person try so hard to shove a square peg through a round hole. I believe Rackstraw's lawyer when he says there's a huge lawsuit on the horizon.

Rackstraw's lawyer should visit the Vancouver Lake and Tina Bar area before the trial starts.  The lawyer should carefully note that the Northwest Lower River Road, which separates the two locations, is built on top of a levee.  That alone precludes anything washing across the road from Vancouver Lake to Tina Bar.

Further, everything from Vancouver Lake drains through Lake River and connects with the Columbia River about 15 or 20 miles downstream from Tina Bar.  And there is no chance of anything making it upstream from that confluence to Tina Bar.
 

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« Reply #3568 on: October 24, 2017, 05:10:54 AM »
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I have taken a couple of trips up the Washougal River and Little Washougal River drainage.  My very first impression was "no way."  The River was so slow moving -- getting a 20-pound bag of money to float down the Washougal undetected would be a stretch, unless it was high water runoff and fast flowing around the time of the jump.  The Washougal was much like a creek in many, many places -- the water was shallow and slow-moving.  I'm not expecting big runoff in November/December, it would more likely be in the Spring, where mountain ice packs are melting and the river runoff would be much greater.  Sorry Jerry Thomas, I am not a fan of the Washougal River theory.

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« Reply #3569 on: October 24, 2017, 08:44:58 AM »
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I have taken a couple of trips up the Washougal River and Little Washougal River drainage.  My very first impression was "no way."  The River was so slow moving -- getting a 20-pound bag of money to float down the Washougal undetected would be a stretch, unless it was high water runoff and fast flowing around the time of the jump.  The Washougal was much like a creek in many, many places -- the water was shallow and slow-moving.  I'm not expecting big runoff in November/December, it would more likely be in the Spring, where mountain ice packs are melting and the river runoff would be much greater.  Sorry Jerry Thomas, I am not a fan of the Washougal River theory.

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Isnt it too violent when it does flood?

It's hard to tell which came first the Washougal theory or the claim they were east of V23. I will look for docs that will answer that question. In 1980 the money find joined the two forever...   
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