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Shutter you say:  "we have a lot of new evidence surfacing, so maybe this thing can be solved.."

I say "It is being covered-up by the Seattle FBI Curtis Eng as they don't want to solve the DB Case. I gave them all they needed to solve it with the FLAW I found in Sheridan Peterson's phony alibi as to where he was at the time of Norjak. His lie to the FBI was that he was delivering one of his two children born in Nepal. However, none were born in the same year as Norjak (1971) as the son was born the year before and the daughter the year after Norjak per public records from persopo.com"

The reason for the FBI cover-up? Was Sheridan working for the CIA in Vietnam and exempt from FBI investigation?

Bob Sailshaw
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There is plenty of evidence of an FBI cover-up in the Cooper hijacking, but not for the reason you mention.

What do you think there is cover-up?  To hide screw ups or things that would make someone look bad?

The 19 redactions in the Seattle ATC transcripts are, by themselves, proof of a cover-up.  Those redactions completely eliminated the possibility of accurately determining the flight path of the airliner while it was under control of the Seattle ATC.  The same information that was redacted was broadcast live during the hijacking and was widely heard by anyone in the Pacific Northwest with an aviation VHF radio receiver.

The FAA did not have a reason for redacting the transcripts since they routinely released full transcripts as a part of FAA incident/accident investigations.  Only the FBI would have a reason to redact those transcripts and to continue to do so.

As far as making someone look bad, take a look at Sailshaw's posts of today and earlier.  Others have made comments along the same line.

Did you discuss this with Amanda, Josh, and the Travel Channel people?

There was not a detailed conversation about the transcripts, but it should have been clearly understood by everyone connected with the episode that at least Meyer and I were of the opinion that Cooper landed near the money find at Tina Bar.  In my personal case, in addition to the one question to me that was filmed and included in the episode, several more questions were asked and filmed of me and included the specific flight path in the Tina Bar area, the FBI search of Caterpillar Island, etc..  Perhaps Meyer can elaborate on this.

There was also filming at the money find location but none of it made it into the episode as broadcast.

I should also add that my experiences with the FBI and FAA FOIA requests, including two Congressional interventions with those agencies, are included in Part 5, NWA 305 FLIGHT PATH ANALYSIS - REVISTED, posted on July 22, 2016.  This thread also contains a highly detailed analysis of the airliner flight path and all radio transcripts that are available.  This information was available to the TV people and several of them were members of this thread.

R99 said a lot of things at the money find location, he spoke several times.  My understanding was that the shoot was really about testing R99's theory and dropzone.  I was there to support R99 in any way I could.  It was my understanding that the day was his day.  Later on, further on down the beach, I was filmed pulling out a map and looking at "the new flight path" that went right over Tina Bar, explaining that Tina Bar was smack dab below that alternate flight path (R99's flight path, essentially).  There was discussion about R99's dropzone -- Tina Bar to Catepillar Island, Lower River Road to the Columbia River.  Point is, all of it got edited out.  And we did takes, retakes, and more retakes on a lot of stuff that ended up on the cutting room floor.  A very small percentage of what we said and did that day made it to the actual program.  I was told that's the way it is.

Meyer

Interesting, Meyer.

In watching the program I got the impression the main point was to make the host and show entertaining.  I believe the theory about jumping near Reno was just away for the host to get to jump out of an airplane.  It's showbiz!

In spite of all that, getting more of the tie tested was a huge get, in my opinion.  That got the case back in the media for several days of coverage.

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That was the main point of the program itself -- to make it entertaining, and I think that happened.  I'm talking about what we actually said and did at the Tina Bar shoot.  It was about Robert's dropzone and taking a closer look at it, that was my understanding.  I was there ready, willing, and able to support that and Robert. 

I agree about the Reno jump, it was Josh's way to get to jump out of an airplane.  The plausibility (or lack of thereof) of the Reno theory has been discussed.  Greg Hall's understanding of the difference between a pressure jump and an oscillation might be suspect, and we know the money wasn't planted at Tina Bar, and how does the Reno dropzone explain the money find at Tina Bar?  The program took a serious departure at this juncture.  Quite frankly, I was totally surprised and completed caught off guard.  I think Shutter's simulation and a thorough examination of some scenarios from the simulation would have been much more informative and would have complemented the first part of the program quite well.  That's showbiz, I guess.

Meyer

Has anybody run GPR on TBAR area, it is a bit of a long shot but the options for a solve are slim to none.

Where exactly would be the place to run it, TBAR find spot south to ?

and if you find an anomaly can you dig there?

If anything would be used this late in the game it would be cadaver dogs..I don't think GPR would be of much help since the beach has eroded time over the years...1971 beach is long gone...

You can't search something that is not there? the crime scene has vanished, or at least the area where the money was found, so you would have to search outside of the beachfront...this would fall into R99's theory...you could search above the erosion area but this is property that has a lot of human activity..I don't know the cost for using the dogs, but I'm guessing they would be a lot cheaper than GPR..

You can't search something that is not there? the crime scene has vanished, or at least the area where the money was found, so you would have to search outside of the beachfront...this would fall into R99's theory...you could search above the erosion area but this is property that has a lot of human activity..I don't know the cost for using the dogs, but I'm guessing they would be a lot cheaper than GPR..

About the only place now where searching of any kind might be productive is along the channel between Caterpillar Island and the east coast of the Columbia River.  It would be extremely difficult to get GPR into that brush and the cadaver dogs would have to deal with something that has been flooded annually for the last 45 years.

Sure, it is an extreme long shot, but worth investigating, there are several cadaver dog orgs in the area. Dogs go down 10-15 ft, GPR much further, they also have the ones that are carried above ground.. no drag, no wheels

If somebody can map out a potential search area, we can contact them..  wouldn't cost much. Never know till you ask.

What you might find are newer corpses or pieces of corpses that have been buried. Its a large area. People suggested this to Tosaw and his team but for some reason he decided not to expand their search onto land. If you are going to search in and around Caterpillar Island then you are almost obliged to search inland in the whole Shillapoo area down to Vancouver Lake, because the whole area is part of the Columbia drainage basin. Dont forget, there were Hobo encampments in this area below the railroad line back in 71.

While it is true Tosaw's methods did not include 'digging' into the sand to any great depth, his theory was that currents and eddies deposit and then remove sand in the same areas, in seasonal cycles. Thus no need for digging. Tosaw tried to time his inspections of certain areas to match these seasonal cycles, based on advice he was getting from experienced locals and salvage people. Still, they did do some digging in areas of particular interest. Tosaw wasn't stupid - far from it! Rataczak played a role in setting this all up! But, Tosaw also talked to a number of Agents who had worked at Tena Bar in 1980 most of whom felt that the money had not traveled too far from some original source in the area. Few people believed Himmelsbach's Washougal account.

People suggested bringing cadaver dogs in in 1980 but I dont know if it was done.

There are still people alive who worked with Tosaw in his project who know the whole story including what Rataczak told (or did not tell) Richard at the time, and how reliable Richard thought that was. Richard talked to a number of people and consulted experts regarding the flight path. Richards interview sets forth the basics.         

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Sure, it is an extreme long shot, but worth investigating, there are several cadaver dog orgs in the area. Dogs go down 10-15 ft, GPR much further, they also have the ones that are carried above ground.. no drag, no wheels

If somebody can map out a potential search area, we can contact them..  wouldn't cost much. Never know till you ask.

What you might find are newer corpses or pieces of corpses that have been buried. Its a large area. People suggested this to Tosaw and his team but for some reason he decided not to expand their search onto land. If you are going to search in and around Caterpillar Island then you are almost obliged to search inland in the whole Shillapoo area down to Vancouver Lake, because the whole area is part of the Columbia drainage basin. Dont forget, there were Hobo encampments in this area below the railroad line back in 71.

While it is true Tosaw's methods did not include 'digging' into the sand to any great depth, his theory was that currents and eddies deposit and then remove sand in the same areas, in seasonal cycles. Thus no need for digging. Tosaw tried to time his inspections of certain areas to match these seasonal cycles, based on advice he was getting from experienced locals and salvage people. Still, they did do some digging in areas of particular interest. Tosaw wasn't stupid - far from it! Rataczak played a role in setting this all up! But, Tosaw also talked to a number of Agents who had worked at Tena Bar in 1980 most of whom felt that the money had not traveled too far from some original source in the area. Few people believed Himmelsbach's Washougal account.

People suggested bringing cadaver dogs in in 1980 but I dont know if it was done.

There are still people alive who worked with Tosaw in his project who know the whole story including what Rataczak told (or did not tell) Richard at the time, and how reliable Richard thought that was. Richard talked to a number of people and consulted experts regarding the flight path. Richards interview sets forth the basics.       

Georger, Let me remind you that the NW Lower River Road, which is the road to the Fazio property and Tina Bar, is built on top of a levee.  Any thing on the east side of that road will have to go down Lake River from Vancouver Lake and will enter the Columbia River about 15 to 20 miles downstream of Tina Bar.

Anything on the west side of that road will eventually make it into the Columbia River if it is upstream of Tina Bar.

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Sure, it is an extreme long shot, but worth investigating, there are several cadaver dog orgs in the area. Dogs go down 10-15 ft, GPR much further, they also have the ones that are carried above ground.. no drag, no wheels

If somebody can map out a potential search area, we can contact them..  wouldn't cost much. Never know till you ask.

What you might find are newer corpses or pieces of corpses that have been buried. Its a large area. People suggested this to Tosaw and his team but for some reason he decided not to expand their search onto land. If you are going to search in and around Caterpillar Island then you are almost obliged to search inland in the whole Shillapoo area down to Vancouver Lake, because the whole area is part of the Columbia drainage basin. Dont forget, there were Hobo encampments in this area below the railroad line back in 71.

While it is true Tosaw's methods did not include 'digging' into the sand to any great depth, his theory was that currents and eddies deposit and then remove sand in the same areas, in seasonal cycles. Thus no need for digging. Tosaw tried to time his inspections of certain areas to match these seasonal cycles, based on advice he was getting from experienced locals and salvage people. Still, they did do some digging in areas of particular interest. Tosaw wasn't stupid - far from it! Rataczak played a role in setting this all up! But, Tosaw also talked to a number of Agents who had worked at Tena Bar in 1980 most of whom felt that the money had not traveled too far from some original source in the area. Few people believed Himmelsbach's Washougal account.

People suggested bringing cadaver dogs in in 1980 but I dont know if it was done.

There are still people alive who worked with Tosaw in his project who know the whole story including what Rataczak told (or did not tell) Richard at the time, and how reliable Richard thought that was. Richard talked to a number of people and consulted experts regarding the flight path. Richards interview sets forth the basics.       

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I just listened to the hour-long radio interview from Tosaw -- I clicked on the "all things Tosaw" link that Georger provided.  Tosaw's line of reasoning was quite interesting, and very straightforward.  He thought Cooper is under 2-3 feet of sand, fairly close to shore, on the Washington side of the Columbia River.  He also talked about a body that was found upstream from Tina Bar back then, and he seemed to have some confidence it could have been Cooper himself.  Does anyone know about the body that was supposedly found?  Tosaw left me hanging... was there an investigation, was the body recovered and autopsied?  What became of that?

Meyer

Nada. I asked my cousin who was in the Sheriff's Dept at the time about this and he didn't recall anything like this and no reports he could remember. If it was unreported who would know? And that's the problem with stories like this ... and there are a lot of stories like this. If it exists its somewhere in Tosaw's notes and we will never have Tosaw's notes. That's a given. Most of his Cooper files went to his family and a few to Galen Cook, according to Cook. There are a few people I could call and I almost hate to start this. It's like 'here we go again - wild goose chase'. I know one person who might know if I can get to him. Maybe Smith knows or heard something?

... and the same applies to his conversations with Rataczak. etc etc etc